User talk:Hchc2009/Archive 8

Quarter Million Award
Always happy to see another in your series of English monarchs... we'll have to give you something special when you get to Elizabeth II! -- Khazar2 (talk) 14:15, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Cheers! Hchc2009 (talk) 16:23, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations!

 * Thanks Peacemaker - v. much appreciated. Hchc2009 (talk) 10:45, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Re: Barnstar
Many thanks, very much appreciate your kind words. I'm now inclined towards another tilt at A-class... Thanks, Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 16:26, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Piel Castle
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 * Thanks Sturmvogel. Hchc2009 (talk) 11:43, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

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Military and Processional music
Good Afternoon Hchc2009

I'm currently sorting out the book reference formats in the Military and Processional music article so I can copy them across to the Royal Artillery Band and the Royal Artillery Mounted Band so I can save a bunch of time. So can you please not edit the Military and Processional music article until I have finished. I will say so in the article's edit summary when completed.

Thanks. Gavbadger (talk) 15:04, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Of course - let me know when. Hchc2009 (talk) 15:06, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * All done. Thanks for waiting. Gavbadger (talk) 18:46, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * No prob's! :) Hchc2009 (talk) 18:46, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Piel Castle
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Taunton...
Fair enough - I've changed it as you suggested. I'm currently working my way through the Heritage at Risk register for Somerset & adding those on the list not already covered. If you spot any others where the wording could be improved please carry on.&mdash; Rod talk 09:24, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * While I'm here would you be interested in taking a look on Categories for discussion/Log/2013 October 10 at the discussion about the names of categories for Listed Buildings/Heritage at Risk?&mdash; Rod talk 09:32, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Dacre Castle
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Melbourne Castle
Thanks for your help in getting Melbourne Castle to A-class. Just to let you know I've now thrown it to the wolves at FAC.  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  07:11, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Cheers - have left a short review comment there. Best of luck! Hchc2009 (talk) 10:50, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

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Congratulations!

 * Thanks! Hchc2009 (talk) 19:01, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Precious again
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Thank you for quality articles on English medieval castles and townwalls, including Windsor Castle, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:48, 20 November 2012 (UTC) A year ago, you were the 310th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, repeated in br'erly style, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:51, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much Grenda! Hchc2009 (talk) 13:51, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

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Nomination in military history project
Hi, thanks for the nomination. Openly speaking, i am not sure i am anywhere close, neither in deserving ranks to gain a nom as my contribs are way too few in the subject. Either way, it gave me confidence to contribute further - thanks again.Ssriram mt (talk) 04:58, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem! Hchc2009 (talk) 09:35, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy Holidays...

 * You too! Hchc2009 (talk) 09:35, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

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William the Conqueror
Sorry, I didn't think it was a copyright violation because I acknowledged the source. That being said I have now added the information, but re-worded it, as I think the information is relevant. I think, in its current form, it no longer breaches copyright --Andrew 21:13, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Andrew, I am right about the copyright issue, which is an important part of how the Wikipedia works. An author holds copyright over the text that they write - it belongs to to them, and they can control how it is used. Cutting and pasting it into another website without the author's permission runs counter to that copyright, and exposes the person doing so to the risk of law cases etc. For more details on this, and how to paraphrase or quote text legitimately, it is worth having a look at Copyright violations. Hchc2009 (talk) 21:27, 24 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I didn't realise; thank you for the information and I'll go and check it out. Happy Christmas --Andrew 21:34, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem. If you get stuck, leave me a message here, and I'll help out if I can. Hchc2009 (talk) 21:35, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

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Commonwealth War Graves Commission
Hchc2009, liked your work on World War I memorials and wondering if you wouldn't mind having a look at Commonwealth War Graves Commission. Want another set of eyes to edit it before I submit for GA.--Labattblueboy (talk) 03:41, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Looking good! Some quick comments below:
 * The lead seemed light on the architecture and cemetery design parts of the later article - would be worth expanding a bit, I'd suggest.
 * The contemporary debate on the right way to approach the cemeteries was probably more "anti-" the Commission's approach than is suggested here; the Commission became an established method over time, but the idea of making it illegal to repatriate your next of kin, and their effective "seizure" of their bodies by the State was hugely controversial then.
 * I'd use the "double image" formatting for the Cross of Sacrifice and the Stone of Remembrance (would avoid the letter boxing of text).
 * Is it worth noting the the CWGC is responsible for the exhumation, transportation and reburial of WWI soldiers when their bodies are uncovered today?
 * I came across an interesting, sensitive critique of the CWGC in "The Aesthetics of Organization", edited by Stephen Linstead, Heather J Höpfl. Well worth a read if you can get a copy.
 * Minor point, but check that you have dual imperial/metric lengths etc. given in the article. Hchc2009 (talk) 09:37, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

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GA fail for Eiffel Tower
Agree with you on the fail, but as a contributor to the article I'm slightly puzzled by your comment about Harvie and Loyrette: both works are listed, I saw that in fact the reference sections were mislabelled, & the books were included in a section called bibliography: understand that this is not where cited works belong. Loyrette in particular is a very good source & is the reason I became involved in the article. I substantially rewrote the Gustave Eiffel article because on looking at because I was linking to it I was apalled by it's inadequacy & I had the Loyrette book. I then saw that the Tower article had virtually nothing on its design & construction (other than the imo far-too-long section on the lifts), so did a section. I thought I'd referenced it properly, but looking at it maybe not. Happy new year!TheLongTone (talk) 10:30, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem. The design and construction section looked as though it had all come from somewhere, but the stats and details would need citations for GA. The Gustave Eiffel article looks close to GA standard, btw - a bit of citation work needed and perhaps a bit of the ce, but it feels in the right sort of space. Hchc2009 (talk) 10:36, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the compliment. Unfortunately most of my books are in storage at the moment, & the Harvie biog was from the library, so can't improve the references. In point of fact the Eiffel article has a very long list of his works, & although I did what I could many are unreferenced and there are some very questionable attributions.TheLongTone (talk) 11:45, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

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 * Cheers! Hchc2009 (talk) 11:15, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Greetings!

 * Happy New Year to you too! Have a great January! Hchc2009 (talk) 15:30, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

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Oct–Dec 13 Milhist reviews

 * Much appreciated - thanks! Hchc2009 (talk) 15:42, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

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Bolbec Castle
Do you have your copy of Pettifer's English Castle's to hand? I can't find mine at the moment. The Bolbec Castle article says the castle was "illegally built", and wanted to check whether Pettifer mentioned legality. I don't think I've seen adulterine castles phrased in such a way before, and the legality angle places more formality on it. Nev1 (talk) 00:24, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't have it in my correct location - I can drop my partner an email and them to look it up if you like though? (They'll probably oblige!) Hchc2009 (talk) 16:12, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

House of Lancaster FAC
Hi there hchc2009

I have attempted to address your immediate issues with this and also registered it for copy editing - not quite finished with it as I have some content to add on legacy - Shakespeare as you suggested and heretic burning (!) but could you have a look abd let me know if it is on the right track?

Thx Norfolkbigfish (talk) 16:09, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Clifton Hall, Cumbria
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 * And congratulations from me, too. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 19:37, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks both of you! Hchc2009 (talk) 17:06, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Images on Wells Cathedral
Hi, After your "Grudgingly oppose" on Featured article candidates/Wells Cathedral/archive1 I wondered if you had a moment to take another look at what has been done with the images since?&mdash; Rod talk 21:02, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Of course. Will take another look over tomorrow night. Hchc2009 (talk) 17:21, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I was wondering if you'd had a chance to look at this yet and whether there is anything you think needs doing?&mdash; Rod talk 19:49, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

FA congratulations
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 * Thanks Bencherlite! Hchc2009 (talk) 17:23, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Empress Matilda
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 * I have placed the nomination on hold; there are still some minor issues that need addressing but otherwise this is a fantastic job. Lankiveil (speak to me) 03:19, 19 January 2014 (UTC).
 * Just a quick ping to let you know I've made a further comment and request for additional sources at Talk:Empress Matilda/GA1. Apologies for taking a few days to get to this, the best laid plans and all that... Lankiveil (speak to me) 03:00, 2 February 2014 (UTC).

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Middle Ages
To be honest - I'm about to walk away from the article because of the behavior of Amandajm. It's the constant constant demands that everyone must bow to their wishes (even without sources) while their behavior is always above reproach that's about to drive me insane. I've tried to work with them, I've let them add unsourced pictures all over the article, I've let them make copyedits, but the pandering to this nationalistic Bulgarian point of view is about to send me into orbit. Someone needs to do something before I just decide to unwatchlist the article and it starts deteriorating. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:37, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Given the work you've put in, and high quality of the article as it stands, that would be a real shame. It's a showcase for what can be achieved around here. I'll admit that I'm a little tired of some of the attitudes being shown as well, but if ultimately the discussion encourages some of the editors involved to carry out some proper, in-depth academic research to support their arguments then some good may come out of it. Even if it doesn't find a place on the Middle Ages page, there are plenty of other historical articles on Eastern Europe which could benefit from proper academic referencing etc. Hchc2009 (talk) 17:17, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Comma usage
Hello, is there a British English style manual that supports your statements re comma usage? For instance, do two independent clauses separated by a coordinating conjunction not require a comma in British English? For this is grade school grammar in American English, supported by style manuals such as Strunk & White and the Harbrace Handbook. It is also supported by this Oxford style manual. I ask in good faith, as I do not want to step on toes, but this article is a choppy read in spots, and the questionable grammar contributes to that. Laszlo Panaflex (talk) 17:35, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Would you be happy if we asked User:Eric Corbett for a second (or third!) opinion? He's the best grammar person I know on the wiki. Hchc2009 (talk) 17:37, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
 * As I stated, I ask in good faith so that I may study the difference in usage rules. If you aren't interested in defending your reversion, so be it. Laszlo Panaflex (talk) 17:46, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The additional commas don't feel natural to me, but I'm not the best qualified grammatician! (if that's a real word... it comes up underlined in red on the screen, so it may not be!) Seriously though, Eric is really good with the whole commas thing, and does a lot of good work at FA; if I'm right, he could explain "why" better than I could, and if I'm not, I'd instantly stand corrected. Hchc2009 (talk) 17:51, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
 * While I would not claim expertise, I have copy-edited for legal and academic journals, and a former paralegal of mine was an instructor who was well versed in grammar. I do not simply sprinkle in commas and prepositions because it feels right, but because they are based in established rules and conventions, set forth in style guides like those above. I copy-edit primarily for clarity and coherence, and proper grammar supports those objectives. If you are going to revert (frankly conservative) edits based on how they arbitrarily feel to you, without any such basis, that provides me no guidance for what standards, if any, apply. Laszlo Panaflex (talk) 12:54, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * British comma usage is different - but an Oxford guide will not help as the Oxford comma is an indication that Oxford's usage is closer to American usage than most other British styles. A Dictionary of Modern English Usage, or Fowler's guide, is probably the place to start for British usage, but British English may also help. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:42, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Lazlo, would it help us resolve this if I were to self-revert my change, and we then together sought a third opinion? Hchc2009 (talk) 14:46, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Ealdgyth. From Fowler's: "A comma is customary in sentences containing two main statements joined by a conjunction, or having some kind of complementary relationship."  That is precisely the case I raised in my initial comment above and the rule I applied in my edits. I'm not trying to be a pest about this particular set of edits, but if I am going to be reverted for merely applying standard grammar in a conventional manner, then yes, a further opinion would be welcome. Laszlo Panaflex (talk) 15:04, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm going to assume that that was a "yes". I've self-reverted, and let's seek a third opinion. Hchc2009 (talk) 15:10, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

The differences between American and British punctuation/grammar are often overstated in my opinion. In this specific case it's clear to me that Laszlo Panaflex's version is preferable. The Oxford comma is a different case, as is the Oxford "-ize", which I consider to be an abortion anyway. The only real difference I commonly encounter in comma usage is the American obsession with putting a comma at the start of sentences such as "In 1927, X did Y". As "In 1927" clearly isn't a clause, the only justification for using a comma in such a construction would be to separate two numbers, as in "in 1927, 63 people died of... ". But even there it would perhaps be better written as "In 1927 sixty-three people died ...". In summary we both use commas in the same way, but Americans use them too liberally. Eric  Corbett  15:37, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks Eric, Lazlo and Ealdgyth. Definite consensus here, which I'll certainly follow. Hchc2009 (talk) 17:10, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Eric, for your useful comments. Editing wiki- has brought me around to your view on "1n 1927" and made me more judicious with commas. Laszlo Panaflex (talk) 18:31, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Hchc2009 & Ealdgyth: I fear I've gotten off on the wrong foot, beginning with being quarrelsome with Ealdgyth at William I. I've tried to be more circumspect with my edits since then, and I try to be sensitive to BritEng phraseology and structure, one reason I wanted a clarification on this point. My aim in copy-editing is to make the writing clear and coherent without changing the substance, and I certainly welcome correction when I've misconstrued a meaning. Thanks, Laszlo Panaflex (talk) 18:36, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Laszlo, you certainly haven't caused me any offence, and I look forward to working with you in the future! Hchc2009 (talk) 18:39, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Laszlo, compared to other editors I've encountered, you don't bother me at all. You're at least willing to listen and don't keep belaboring points, which goes a LONG way in my book towards making you a wonderful person. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:41, 30 January 2014 (UTC)