User talk:Hcobb/Archives/2012/June

Australian Defence Force
Can you please stop adding quotes without any kind of context to this article? The material on the defence budget needs to be updated, and I'll do that later today (dodgy health permitting). This is an FA-level article, so adding various peoples' opinion rather than properly considered text is not helpful (for instance, while various old generals and defence think tanks have complained about the budget cuts, there appears to be public support from them, and Defence hasn't been able to spend all the money it's been allocated for some years now anyway). I'd be happy to discuss this on the article's talk page if you'd like. Nick-D (talk) 23:39, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * The Army Chief's comment was more about the government disarray than the money per say. And if he ain't notable, then who is? Hcobb (talk) 23:48, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * There are heaps of commentators about the ADF, including several retired chiefs of branches of the military. While there seems to be consensus that the 2009 Defence White Paper was a flop, there are differing views as to why this was the case (some people - including, from memory, Leahy - think that it wasn't ambitious enough, while others argue that it was much too ambitious and Australia doesn't need a large military). Nick-D (talk) 23:55, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

And we're only presenting one side of the story why exactly? Hcobb (talk) 06:12, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * How are we doing that? The article doesn't include text on the 2012-13 budget yet! I'd oppose it getting into a he-says, she-says type debate over whether the cuts are warranted or not, and what I'll add will be a summary of the budget. Some commentary is probably warranted on the fate of the 2009 Defence White Paper, but that's also not in the article at present, and adding stuff from news stories without context isn't the way to go about improving a FA. Nick-D (talk) 08:59, 19 June 2012 (UTC)