User talk:HeadOverHeels

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HeadOverHeels, good luck, and have fun. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:06, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Introduction
Hey there!

I am HeadOverHeels, a burning fan of public governance, specifically international organizations, and I will be eagerly looking at various articles as well as hoping to create a lot of new and useful stuff here.

Best wishes for all of your projects! HeadOverHeels (talk) 20:30, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Conflict of interest in Wikipedia
Please reply, and state whether or not you have any connection with or the International Anti-Corruption Academy, directly or through a third party. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 23:33, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Hey Jytdog,

First of all thank you for paying attention to my edits.

I heard about IACA by a diplomat, who I happened to meet at an international convention in early spring 2016 but do not have any relationship to anyone there. I recently started looking into anti-corruption instruments such as the UNCAC and during my research stumbled again over IACA. I do not know Richard Eimes, apart from what seems to be visible to other users... To me the notion of a post-secondary educational entity run by a world-wide community of states was an exciting idea, and it happened just recently that I started googling and listening around. I find their website very resourceful and like other IOs that's the most authentic place to retrieve information. Just look at the other IO articles and you'll see what I mean. I think it's worth informing the public since it's a good cause (engaging in the fight against corruption, which is omnipresent in all states around the world, not only in Azerbaijan and Russia). Just think of all these big armament-deals made by industrialized states where billions of dollars of tax-payers money are burnt by pre-fixed transactions.

Regarding my edits:

Still plenty of issues are unclear for me although I've read all related policies of Wikipedia.

Why should incorrect information remain, how does that serve the Wikipedia mission? For example IACA has been established in 2011 not in 2010. Typos, removed by me are now reinstated. A reference to an article of the NEWS magazine is simply unrelated to what is stated in the article (revolving door, unusual staff turnover). Please read it yourself and judge. Moreover I thought, even there would be unusual staff turnover (how's that defined), that information about IACA is probably as conclusive or valuable for the community as the daily menue of their canteen, if they have some (unless you're about to get hired). I do understand the criticism on rogue-states and that seems to be supported by the referenced press-sources. I deleted only the details because it repeated the language used in the articles and I thought that's fairly unbalanced to bomb the community with the text of bad press whilst having just one paragraph on the organization itself. To me this article as it stands does not read encyclopedical and informative but clearly aimed at discrediting IACA. Facts are discarded and bad press remains unreviewed. And that would infringe Wiki-ethics. Sufficient information about IACA is available on the web. People like me who know how public IO's work are familiar with founding statutes, facts and data, could be helpful for the encyclopedical Wiki-mission and that's what I tried to share...

Now here is my point: Is your concern that I'm editing at the IACA-article then I'll move on to any other IO. But that one seemed to be extremely "unusual" and unsourceful compared with those of other IOs such as the UN, the IAEA, UNESCO, ect. Hope everthing is clear. Now, again, if this a "hands-off-article" (that's what it apppears to me) then please say it clear and I'll move on...I do not intend spending a lot of time on research about IACA if that is not appreciated.

Please respond, thank you! HeadOverHeels (talk) 11:20, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * To be frank I find this impossible to believe. I will deal with you at the article Talk page with respect to content, based on reliable sources and the policies and guidelines.
 * Please take time and make sure that you understand the content policies and guidelines. What you or I feel or believe about the agency has nothing to do with how we edit. Content is Wikipedia is based on independent reliable sources -- we follow what they say. Jytdog (talk) 20:26, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you!

Now I feel encouraged again to working with you and the others on this article in a constructive way. One thing, though, is important to stress: I have read almost every guideline and policy about editing, before I got started, and I will do so over and over again. I never questioned the independence and reliability of these sources but I made a valid point about following what they say, because what is stated in regard of the employment-related suggestions, is not what THIS ARTICLE says. I also have no intention to convey my feelings but facts and figures that can be of interest for the public. Nothing else. We will talk it through at the article's talk page.

Thanks, HeadOverHeels (talk) 21:21, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * You are demonstrating no signs of being interested in improving this organization - Wikipedia -- or in learning how Wikipedia actually works.    It is very clear that you are here to promote another organization, namely the IACA.  The conflict of interest you are demonstrating in your behavior is blatant.  What is worse, is that you are sucking up my volunteer time dealing with you.  Doubly harmful to this organization.  Jytdog (talk) 00:50, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Jytdog, these are stark words, which I clearly can echo in your regard. Just read how often I pointed out clear mistakes which you blatantly ignored. Seems your agenda does not allow for any changes oft eh current text. Still missing the point and I'm loosing hope that with you as admin this will get anywhere useful for Wikipedia. You are hiding behind policies which you clearly misinterpret and what is most obvious is that you are ignoring WP:NPOV, which is non-negotiable and fundamental. From the history it appears that you were engaging as editor and making up the current text of this article. And now you are invoking WP-policies to protect these unbalanced and partially ill-sourced content from any change, or enrichment, even ignoring typos. Read WP:INVOLVED and you will understand that what you were doing is much more than acting as Admin, you are in the middle of it, it's you not me but you who has a COI or at the least is biased towards protecting your own contribution. You did not even bother with my argument to the flawed non-english source. Read WP:NONENG and you will understand. If you could provide useful quotes translated in English and supporting your second paragraph the community could independently judge its relevance, but you did not even get to that point. I will do more efforts to help you out of this situation and make this article rich and useful, but you too have to advance for the benefit of the community. I still would like to avoid any dispute settlement. HeadOverHeels (talk) 10:49, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.
Dear HeadOverHeels,

Following my recent discussion with Jytdog on the International Anti-Corruption Academy (IACA) talk page, I've filed a DR/N request in the hope of better understanding, with the help of other Wikipedians, what constitutes independent sourcing. Once again, let me declare my conflict of interest here. I’m the Senior Coordinator for Advocacy and Communications at IACA and previously edited the page directly in my own name. Owing to my COI I stopped doing that and am trying to propose content that might lead to a more informative, fact-based page.

Best wishes, Richard.eames (talk) 18:31, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Richard. I responded to you and Jytdog at the IACA talk page. Looking forward to the DR/N request. HeadOverHeels (talk) 21:51, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Dear HeadOverHeels, I will be on vacation for the next 2 weeks and won't check in on Wikipedia. My colleague Adrian Ciupagea will step in for me, using his own name. He's also in IACA's communications team, so let me declare his COI here (he will do the same as and when he contributes). Hope we can continue the civil discussion and improve the page. Best, Richard.eames (talk) 15:50, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Richard! Enjoy your time off this article. And we will certainly welcome your colleague. I am positive that there will be some improvements soon so that the article is useful and informative for the community. HeadOverHeels (talk) 21:27, 28 July 2017 (UTC)