User talk:Heartfox/Archive 3

A commendation
Hello Heartfox: I notice you grasped the nettle on this, and am writing to commend you for that: It was always going to be contentious, and whatever you said would have attracted a backlash. I also commend you for having the integrity to amend your judgement in the light of those objections. In the interests of full disclosure I was (or would have been, if I'd got round to it) opposed to the proposal, and disagreed with some of your conclusions, but nonetheless you done good. Regards, Xyl 54 (talk) 22:21, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * thank you. I read about WP:CLOSECHALLENGE and understood that an administrator's noticeboard section was possible in response to objections, but what I didn't expect were some editors unprofessionally inserting their personal opinions about the matter (and a bear photo with a paragraph-long caption??) into the AN discussion which was supposed to be about the close itself, not the she vs. it debate. It ruined what could've been a polite, serious exchange. It was a good learning experience about what "no consensus" means. I thought there was consensus for a solution/compromise, but it seems clear that many people view "no consensus" more broadly. I think I will stick to writing quality articles rather than involve myself in discussions that go nowhere :) Heartfox (talk) 22:45, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Ironically, consensus is one of those words that means different things to different people! Still, Illegitimi non carborundum, as someone once said… Xyl 54 (talk) 22:14, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Singles criteria
Hello!

I have a question regarding the subject above. If I have a Billboard source calling a song a single, it means it was released in the US (?), but no release date for radio. However, how do I manage that source in the article? How can I add it to it making sense of it, if I have nothing but the source calling it a single? There is no radio date, only under "cool new music", I have checked. It's not like Taylor Swift's "Exile".

Kind regards, MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 00:16, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

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I was just curious
I noticed that it states you are in University. I was thinking that maybe it would be worthwhile to ask a professor and get their opinion on the matter of the template:series overview design structure. It may not affect consensus, but I'm genuinely curious about the response of a trusted professor. Feel free to dismiss the idea, I bare no ill intent whether you oppose or support my proposal.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 20:38, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Ratings question
Hello again. I hope you are doing well. Sorry if I already asked you this before, but could you possibly do me a favor for the Shannen Says article? I have the ratings for five of the show's eight episodes, but I was curious if there was information for the other three episodes. I could not find anything, but you have had much better luck with finding ratings information in the past. Either way, have a great week! Aoba47 (talk) 15:25, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry I couldn't find anything. Heartfox (talk) 23:03, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for checking. It was a small show on a smaller network and got very little publicity so that does not surprise me. I appreciate that you tried though! Aoba47 (talk) 01:23, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

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Genre-specific song sales charts
Hello. In regards to your removals of the World Digital Song Sales chart from several articles, I don't believe this is what is mean by the note on WP:USCHARTS. The World Songs chart typically includes songs of all genres, and I don't particularly get what Billboard considers a "world" artist to be, but I don't think considering that they include songs in English that it means "world music" as a "genre", if one even considers that to be a genre. If the World Digital Song Sales chart is included in this definition of "genre-specific" charts (which I always took to mean rock, Latin [although that's almost constantly being debated], country music and R&B/hip hop charts), I think we need to seek further clarification on the note. I usually remove US component charts myself, and haven't come across anybody (else) who regularly cites USCHARTS having an issue with this chart.  Ss  112   03:00, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Heartfox, just as an aside here instead of continuing an argument with the other user in the thread on the Finnish chart at Wikipedia talk:Record charts: as you said "I would like to see more evidence of notability/significance of the hittialistalla/Rumbassa positions before they are added", you should be aware that HumanxAnthro has made it clear that they will continue adding the charts, and it appears they already resumed doing so earlier on several articles. I know we as users can't forcibly stop them short of mass reversion, and I do think they should respect (rough) consensus, but they've already said they won't listen to anyone else. As I've lost much hope of getting through to this editor (as it always results in personal attacks and a needless-back-and-forth), I asked for admin intervention after their tone and incivility yesterday and Sergecross73 did he say would look into it but as yet nothing. I wouldn't be surprised if Wherelovelives continues without comment either.  Ss  112   11:00, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

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Your draft article, Draft:Rupert Hotel fire


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Concern regarding Draft:List of Retail Singles number ones
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Well Wishes and Cngratualtions
Hey there. I used to do a lot of work on Mariah Carey-related articles years ago, and seeing the work you've done - especially on Here Is Mariah Carey - is truly heartwarming to see. You have done an amazing job on the article. Truly well balanced and sourced. As an old timer, I just wanted to thank you for your contributions to her pages and emphasize how impressed and thankful I am. All the best!-- Peter Griffin  &bull;  Talk2Me   06:21, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! Songs like "Can't Take That Away" and "Through the Rain" really helped me through hard times so I am indebted to better Carey-related articles. Heartfox (talk) 16:48, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Sweetheart (Rainy Davis song) FAC
Hello there. Just so you know I will wait to add further comments to the FAC until my other comments have been addressed, such as adding the credits/personal for the Davis original, putting the credits/personal for the Carey version in the prose, etc., as I would want to read-through the article more thoroughly after all these changes. Apologies for posting here and not on the FAC page, but I did not want to clutter that nomination with more comments. I hope you are doing well! Aoba47 (talk) 16:57, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I believe the article is now ready for you to read-through more thoroughly. Your comments and help is much appreciated Heartfox (talk) 05:50, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your work. I greatly appreciate your patience. I have left two responses on the FAC. I will do a more thorough read-through later today. I have a comment that I will point out here. The article does not mention the song's appearances on other compilation albums by Carey, specifically Greatest Hits, The Remixes, and The Essential Mariah Carey, so I would add that information in a brief sentence. I completely understand rusty on things. I have not done a television episode article in a while so I would probably make a lot of mistakes there, and congratulations on your first song GAN/FAC! Aoba47 (talk) 06:07, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:List of Canadian singles charts and number ones


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Your review
As I stated in my last comment with a ping, I would like an indication as to when your review has concluded. I'll address the rest after that.--NØ 05:04, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I think it is highly disrespectful that you demand reviewers never re-read an article or make follow-up comments in response to changes made. I thought one follow-up comment about "just" adding url-access parameters for citations that weren't in the article when the original review was conducted indicates it is pretty much over. Heartfox (talk) 15:56, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Nobody has demanded you do not re-read the article. You can read it hundreds of times and then post the comments altogether. Personally, I'm a minimalist and like to make the changes altogether rather than going back to it everyday. I do appreciate your efforts and have made all the changes. If you find this request unpleasant, I would like to regrettably suggest you do not need to review all of my nominations. Regards.--NØ</b> 19:26, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Don't tell me how to edit. Following my initial review, I have added THREE comments (question about foreign-language reviews, basic question about genre, MOS:IDIOM) that weren't follow-ups to your responses/edits. Two friendly questions and a basic MOS issue. If that's annoying for you, that's your problem. I don't know what you are going on about. You do not control other people's editing or tell me when I can post comments or not. I tried to be nice and review your articles so you would potentially review mine. Clearly you do not care at all. I will be certain to avoid you in the future. I don't know where you get this idea that someone writes comments, you edit, and then it's over. If an article is nominated for FA, there should be an expectation of some follow-up comments to edits and perhaps some new ones. You should expect to go back to it every day. I regret that I have wasted my time reviewing your articles. if you would rather have a non-subject area source reviewer who will justifiably point out things that I have generously ignored, that is your prerogative. Heartfox (talk) 20:11, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * To be clear, I only asked you to avoid reviewing my work if it has been a source of stress for you. I think the article has improved as a result of your comments and I have not called into question the quality of your review. Asking someone to indicate when they are done is generally not such a big deal so I am not sure why it has been so provocative for you. Abandoning completed source and prose reviews on my nomination is extremely unprofessional and I'm surely not touching yours until those have been appropriately completed.—<b style="color:purple">N</b><b style="color:teal">Ø</b> 21:18, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? I haven't abandoned anything. It's not my job to go into the revision history to see if things have been addressed, you're supposed to indicate when they've been done. Heartfox (talk) 18:38, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

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Your reversion of my edit is wrong
U are wrong about the singles release date, November 1 is the correct date. Infact Mariah posted on her Instagram page in the past and that was the date she posted for it. IslandWriter27 (talk) 21:33, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Promotion of Sweetheart (Rainy Davis song)

 * Congratulations on the recent promotion! Aoba47 (talk) 13:55, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Heartfox (talk) 23:51, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

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"Breakdown"
Hello again. Apologies for being nosy, but I have noticed that you are working on the "Breakdown" (Mariah Carey song) article in one of your sandboxes, and I just wanted to wish you the best of luck with it. I think it is really cool that you are working on that song, and I look forward to seeing how your work turns out in the future. As I have said with your work on "Sweetheart" (Rainy Davis song), it is nice to see more work being done on Mariah Carey articles. I keep debating on possibly tackling one myself, but then I get too intimidated lol. Aoba47 (talk) 18:11, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the motivation! Most of the Carey articles have not been significantly changed since 2010. I am finding it taking a lot longer to write than I predicted. However the sources can basically all be reused for the Butterfly album and the rest of the singles' articles, so hopefully those won't take as long to do! "Sweetheart" was easier to do than "Breakdown". If you wanted to do an article I would recommend "Fall in Love at Christmas". It's probably easier as it's not connected to an album, and all of the sources are probably available on Google and no need for databases. Heartfox (talk) 18:51, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Anytime! I am glad that you mentioned that a majority of the Carey articles have not been updated in a while as I never want to step on any toes and intrude on anyone else's work. I can understand "Breakdown" taking more time than "Sweetheart" as it has more coverage and history. I am actually not a huge fan of "Fall in Love at Christmas", although I appreciate that Carey's original Christmas music is quite different in terms of genre and tone. I was debating on doing something like "GTFO" (song), which is a more scaled-back release and likely has all of its coverage online without a need for databases. We will see what happens in the future as I do not have any immediate plans for new Wikipedia projects. Do you already have another song in mind once you are done with "Breakdown" (no pressure of course lol)? Aoba47 (talk) 20:42, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

You clearly don't know what is respect
Excuse me, Heartfox (sir/madam). You just said that my statement is "nonsensical", which means you are saying it's false. Furthermore, you are deliberately debunking my statement according to your feelings. So are you trying to tell me, you are very sure that Mariah was born in 1969? Bertlookslikebowler (talk) 18:35, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Also, although you have an explanation for my first and third point on my talk page, you will need to answer my second point as well. If you cannot answer that, what makes your edit worthier than mine? I am removing the birth year until confirmed to be true, while you are reverting my edit, making everyone believing what is potentially false. If you argue this way as a lawyer in court, not only will the judge not believe you, Bertlookslikebowler (talk) 18:39, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

You see, you can't even answer my question with a concrete backup. You just wanna act tough behind the screen. Bertlookslikebowler (talk) 18:45, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

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Say Somethin' (Mariah Carey song)
The reason I'd undone this edit was because of what the Official Charts company says about its charts. There's no such thing as a Music Week chart, they don't publish charts in the UK, they published the article but not the chart. The chart its self would have been published by OCC. You can request chart data from OCC for anything - many industry journals do but as explained on their website, these are not intended for general public consumption, they're for industry analysis and comparison, which is why they are often behind a paywall. For example, the singles chart publishes 100 positions open to the general public, but there is positions 101-200 which are available to the wider industry. Same for the albums chart and the other 'genre' charts. There was also similar discussions when Rollingstone bought out their own hot 100, although the publication was notable, the chart itself wasn't, which is relevant if i'm misunderstood and musicweek do actually compute the chart themselves. >> Lil-unique1  (  talk  ) — 09:31, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Unlike the Rolling Stone Top 100, the Music Week Club Chart chart does not duplicate any OCC chart. Club music is huge in the UK, and the Music Week chart provides an essential snapture of that market. Music Week is a highly reputable publication that published the CIN charts before officialcharts.com existed. At the very most I could accept only including the main club chart and not the pop/urban ones. Australia and USA has a club chart which is shown in chart tables. The omission of UK would be a detriment to readers. Heartfox (talk) 08:42, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

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Tables - accessibility
Hello, Heartfox. I noticed your comment here, and as I use tables quite a bit in articles I work on I'd be glad of a steer from you on what I ought to do to comply with the best practice for accessibility.  Tim riley  talk   16:21, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh I'm not an expert or anything it's just following MOS:DTAB. Just about including a caption/headers/scopes so that screen readers can understand a table properly. Heartfox (talk) 19:38, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
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