User talk:Heavy Chaos

Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Talk:Fox News. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Accusing other editors of a biased motivation is always a personal attack and forbidden here. Andre🚐 00:48, 9 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Why don't we lay out the very simple argument and your response.
 * An IP user says "Hey, since Fox News is being sued for defamation, we shouldn't even call them "Fox News", since they aren't even real news [etc, etc]"
 * The next comment is a user with a lot of effort spent on trying to make sure wikipedia and everyone else devalues Fox News, literally and in their hearts. He simply says "Yeah, I agree, see all that stuff I put somewhere else." (Incidentally, you also have a lot of effort put there as well).
 * Then you come in with another simple "Agreed" statement, along with a wobbly use of the word "controversial" with regards to Fox News being "news".
 * A short incredulous reply asks "What are you really asking here?" I'm not 100% confident, but I think probably this user sees the silliness of the suggestion.
 * Along comes the NPOV, very sensibly. I'll blockquote this one
 * "We're not going to 'de-news' the opening sentence of the article of, um, Fox News. Their journalistic integrity is certainly in tatters as the Dominion lawsuit exposes a lot of nefarious, partisan activities behind the curtain. All of that can and should go into the article, but let's stay grounded in reality in how the lede describes the subject."
 * And, boy, you backtrack fast: "Oh fine Zaathras, be the voice of reason and moderation, just like Fox".
 * So, leaving on the table whatever "just like Fox" is supposed to mean and what we might glean from it, are you suggesting something other than an instance where you ought to be slapped with a trout? Shall you return to that talk discussion with a rebuttal for Zaathras? HC (talk) 22:52, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Introduction to contentious topics
HJ Mitchell &#124; Penny for your thoughts? 12:01, 9 March 2023 (UTC)