User talk:Hegvald/Archive 1

Harold McCarter Taylor
Hey, just thought I'd say I like your choice of DYK; for this article; it's very "He did WHAT now?!" inducing; just the kind of thing I like :). Ironholds 23:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Taken in the context of his life it is not that strange, but expressed this abruptly it becomes a bit funny. I think the article needs a bit more work (in the morning light I see some blemishes I missed before), and it would benefit from editing by some native. I am going to ask Johnbod to take a look at it. Hegvald (talk) 09:47, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Same sort of situation with my first DYK; it was notifying people that the head of the National Union of Railwaymen played premier league Football for two seasons with Sunderland. Ironho<b style="color:#696969">ld</b><b style="color:#000">s</b> 12:52, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Bror Geijer Göthe
Thanks for your efforts. The article is better now. Obviously it could be improved much further but that will probably wait until someone who is passionate about Swedish art comes along. Itsmejudith (talk) 20:56, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Please see my expansion of Ndaba kaMageba which is up for AfD
I added several reputable sources. Ikip (talk) 19:11, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about the mass revert
User:B. Fairbairn was at it again and your change got caught up in it. My apologies. AgneCheese/Wine 14:05, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. --Hegvald (talk) 15:06, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Maps in articles on localities
Neither do I know how to do that. But I think a map of the country should be there and before someone can come up with a nice solution I think we should use the map in all the articles for consistency. This has also been discussed at some point here. --Skizzik talk 08:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have never done things like this but I think you just have to create a new template with the image, see Template:Location map Sweden Gotland. However, I think it shoul be more clear where on the small map of Sweden the county is located, its hard to see as it is now. --Skizzik talk 22:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Södra Råda gamla kyrka
Hej och hi! I've been translating this article for the Finnish wiki and I had been planning also translating the whole article to fill out the English article, but when searching for the meaning of "igensätt", I came across this site, which makes me wonder if the Swedish article isn't a plagiarized version of Svenska Kulturminnen 4. Do you happen to have access to that work? I've tried to find a copy of it here in Finland to no avail. Thanks for any help you can provide! -Yupik (talk) 08:16, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yup, it seems that the plagiarized content was added in this set of edits. I am not surprised. Plagiarism runs rampant on Wikipedia.


 * Sorry, I have no immediate access to Svenska Kulturminnen, but I am familiar with the author of the text, Marian Ullén, who has written on this church elsewhere.


 * In any case, I already have a fuller article in the works here: User:Hegvald/SROC. I have no intention to translate from any other version but am writing it from scratch from the best available scholarly references (there are a few more than those already listed in that page). I was interrupted by having to return some books to the library and haven't gotten around to re-borrowing them yet.


 * I would prefer not to paste it in right now, as there are some things I really want to improve before I do so, and I intend to nominate it at DYK as a "five times expanded" version. --Hegvald (talk) 10:40, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, I just realized that I do in fact know what "Svenska Kulturminnen" refers to in this case. It is the work by Marian Ullén that I was thinking of, but it is titled Södra Råda gamla kyrka. "Svenska kulturminnen" is the title of the publication series. --Hegvald (talk) 14:42, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I've marked the Swedish article with the plagiat-template so that it can be taken care of on that end. The article you're writing looks wonderful! I'm looking forward to you moving it to the main article as this church is unknown outside of the Scandinavian countries. I also finally found a copy of the Södra Råda gamla kyrka book in that series, but it's in the closed stacks of that National Library, so I'm not sure how much access I have to it :D Thanks for your help! -Yupik (talk) 11:34, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks & you're welcome! --Hegvald (talk) 12:16, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Robert Reed Church
It actually wasn't a mistake, but I've restored it nonetheless per the proposed deletion policy. Regards, – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 17:41, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * OK. Please note that I also suggested deleting the other article I found on the topic (the one which was plagiarized from one of its "sources"). --Hegvald (talk) 18:24, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yep, which is entirely fine, but Hegvald, can you post your rationale (why it should be kept) at Talk:Robert Reed Church? Thanks. tedder (talk) 17:56, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I think my reasoning was clear from my comment at User talk:Juliancolton. --Hegvald (talk) 18:24, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * You gave great reasoning for undeleting or doing a deletion review, but not for satisfying the article guidelines. Let me know if I can help with the research. tedder (talk) 18:32, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * In my view, your claim here that this particular article was "missing reliable sources to indicate notability of an individual" was incorrect. With the deletion log entry mirroring your argument for deletion and being visible in place of the empty page, it will leave a strange impression on the page creator returning to see what happened to his or her article. How is anyone going to learn how to make a better article (which is presumably the ultimate goal) if the criticism they get is that the perfectly fine source they referenced wasn't good enough, or that the subject of the article, about whom a great deal has clearly been written, isn't "notable" enough? If the log entry had said "subject potentially interesting, but article too short", "too badly written" or something, it would have been possible to overcome that by doing better next time. A log entry like this leaves no avenues for improvement, no way for the user to figure out what was actually wrong and what is needed to get the article to "stick" at the next attempt?


 * An established user, even someone like me who isn't fanatically hacking away at Wikipedia at every moment but has been around for a while and written a few articles, would probably shrug this off and return with a better article version a week later. But for a brand new user, it is likely to be both humbling and confusing.


 * Do you see my point? --Hegvald (talk) 10:38, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * P.S. I arrived at this topic in some roundabout way that I can't reconstruct at the moment. It is far outside the kind of things I am usually interested in (I probably know too little about the American historical context to do a good job here). If you are interested in working on it, you might take a look at M. Sammye Miller, "Last Will and Testament of Robert Reed Church, Senior (1839-1912)", The Journal of Negro History, Vol. 65, No. 2 (Spring, 1980), pp. 156-157. I found it at JSTOR (stable URL) but haven't had time to read it. --Hegvald (talk) 10:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hegvald, I can certainly see your point. We're reminded to not bite the newcomers. However, a week is a decent amount of time, and it's how the new article process is set up. A proposed deletion is similar to the WP:BRD cycle- it is a way to find interested parties in relation to an article. The fact that nobody showed up for months is telling.


 * Further, in regards to saying "too short" or "too badly written", those are things that can be fixed, not arguments for deletion. Here's precisely what I wrote as the argument for deletion:


 * ":::::Primarily notable as a relative of a notable individual, which is not an indicator of notability. Missing reliable sources to indicate notability of an individual."


 * We can break that down- first, it appears Church is primarily notable as the father of Mary Church Terrell- in fact, the article said "He is probably most famous as". Next, to meet WP:BIO, see Notability (people) and WP:ANYBIO. I won't cut and paste the guideline here, but note it says they should be the subject of multiple secondary sources, plus more. When I listed it for prod, it had one source, behind a paywall. There are still only two, and it appears the strongest claim to notability is as a father. Am I missing some other claim? I read the "Last Will" on JSTOR, and it basically said "he was a prominent local businessman." I'm missing any further claims to notability of an individual. Further, my search didn't find any other sources of information on him, which doesn't seem promising.


 * Ultimately, it is important to be nice, but Wikipedia also needs to be right. I'd encourage you to read Guide to deletion, which speaks to why editors delete things and the rationale for doing so. Also know the article will likely be headed to WP:AFD very soon if other sources can't be found- Undeletion policy says "If a page was deleted via proposed deletion, it should be immediately undeleted by request. However, it may immediately be brought to AfD." I'm not going to do so immediately (though others may); however, the article needs more sources and needs a stronger claim to notability than simply being the father of someone notable. tedder (talk) 11:42, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Do as you see fit. I may comment in the AFD discussion area if you take it there (it will at least get more sets of eyes on the article), but I really don't want to spend more time on this now. --Hegvald (talk) 17:06, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject TRANSWIKI
You are invited to join WikiProject TRANSWIKI and join the sub language project of your choice. The aim is to draw up a full directory of missing articles from other wikipedias by language and build a team of translators to work at bridging the gaps in knowledge between other wikipedias. Look forward to seeing you on the Swedish team. The idea is to identify missing content but then use reliable sources to ensure that trasferring is done in the best possible way. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 17:31, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Ytterlännäs
Can you fiond the GPS coordinates for the church in Ytterlännäs? I want to see it on Google Maps. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 05:31, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Google Maps is not a good resource for rural Sweden. It is better to use the Swedish service Eniro, but even that has its limitations. This is, I believe, the old church. There is a larger building to the west of it, just south if the Edsfjärden lake, which I assume is the new church. (In the karta or map view, both buildings are marked with a latin cross. In the flygfoto -- aerial photo -- view, you can make out the size of the buildings.) Or is this larger building the church of a neighbouring parish? Eniro gives only one hit for "Ytterlännnäs kyrka".


 * Coordinates seem to be:
 * For what I assume to be the old church:
 * N 63º 00.389'
 * E 017º 42.449'


 * For the presumed new church:
 * N 63º 00.442'
 * E 017º 41.137'


 * You can now feed these into Google Maps and see what the result looks like. --Hegvald (talk) 06:22, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Vivian Maier
Hello! Your submission of Vivian Maier at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Geraldk (talk) 21:37, 12 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I've left another comment regarding this. Smartse (talk) 15:32, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Names
Hi Hevgald, I have taken the names out for now but I could use your input at the BLP thread when you have time, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 00:44, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Have replied there. --Hegvald (talk) 09:53, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Karl Lärka
Hello Hegvald. As the creator of Vivian Maier and somebody who reads Swedish, you might be interested in Karl Lärka, very different from Maier though he was. The article has a fair amount of worthwhile content but there are some problems with it; see here for one. Any help would be appreciated. -- Hoary (talk) 23:49, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll take a look. --Hegvald (talk) 13:30, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Tommy Möller
Hi. I have no problem with that heap of bogus referencing being cut; I was investigating the Team-ARS, Wiki-keep-police efforts. See here and User talk:Casliber. Cheers, Jack Merridew 02:04, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Cornelius Anckarstierna
Hej Hegvald. :) I've cleaned up the article now. Do you want to withdraw the AfD?  The left orium  19:08, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletation Västgötska
Dear Hegvald! I'm quite thankful that you have reminded me about the quality Västgötska must reach. I just wanted to say that the article have been edited. Hopes that it is in OK shape now. Thanks for your time! / / Fågelfors-Glen (talk) 07:26, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

About Samuel Johnson Jr.
Well, thank you for moving it! As I have never been through this kind of ordeal before, I don't know very well how to act..... Tx again.

--Betty VH (talk) 03:57, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Carl Fredrik Adelcrantz
What the heck? Why did you have to create the Carl Fredrik Adelcrantz article? Now I've wasted my time on User:Theleftorium/Carl Fredrik Adelcrantz for nothing. Darn you! ;) Theleftorium (talk) 16:49, 8 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Oops, sorry! ;-) I had been working on this glaringly omitted topic off-line for some time and thought this would be a good time to start the actual article, what with the weather getting more suitable for photographic excursions and all. I'll continue summarizing what Fogelmarck has written on CFA and will try to get enough done by tomorrow to make a DYK nomination. --Hegvald (talk) 15:59, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Carl Fredrik Adelcrantz
Hello! Your submission of Carl Fredrik Adelcrantz at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Allen3 talk 15:09, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Arthur Sanderson & Sons
A tag has been placed on Arthur Sanderson & Sons requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about an organization or company, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for organizations and companies. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag - if no such tag exists then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hangon tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. Salvio ( Let's talk 'bout it!) 18:22, 23 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I tried to acces the reference you offered, but could not, because it did not recognize my credentials... Salvio ( Let's talk 'bout it!) 18:24, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Next two comments moved here from User talk:Salvio giuliano:
 * Arthur Sanderson & Sons was deleted following your nomination, but I have reposted it with the same reference as before. Whether you personally have immediate access to that reference is really not of any importance.


 * If you truly believe that this company is too insignificant to be covered in Wikipedia, I suggest that you take it to WP:AFD. In the meanwhile I am not going to do any further work on the subject. --Hegvald (talk) 19:39, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I'm not going to do that: I'm not on some sort of a crusade to get it deleted; I thought — and still think — it does not qualify for inclusion, but I'm certain that, if it really doesn't, someone else will take care of that.
 * Hope, any way, there are no hard feelings! Salvio ( Let's talk 'bout it!) 19:46, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

template:blockquote
The reference is supposed to placed in that area.

It does not matter which template I use if they both redirect to the same template, or the mother template.174.3.121.27 (talk) 09:22, 2 June 2010 (UTC)


 * [For the record: Administrators' noticeboard/Archive213, Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 June 1. --Hegvald (talk) 08:31, 20 June 2010 (UTC)]

Help out with reviewing DYK nominations!
Hi Hegvald, I thank you for contributing to the DYK section. You may want to note that the nomination entry system for DYK is backlogged - nominations up till as early as July 4 have yet to receive a single review. There have only been reviews on some articles sporadically, across the board (July 3 to July 10). You may want to consider volunteering your services as a reviewer at this time. We need to clear the "older nominations" before it turns old (and stale). Quick link here. Thanks! AngChenrui (talk) 09:41, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Michael S. Smith (interior designer)
The DYK project (nominate) 06:03, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Thomas Erskine, 9th Earl of Kellie
Hello! Your submission of Thomas Erskine, 9th Earl of Kellie at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 21:49, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas Erskine, 9th Earl of Kellie
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Aby Warburg
The information, at least @Voth was not false, but the style of course suspicious.--Radh (talk) 10:43, 27 October 2010 (UTC)


 * How do you know that it wasn't false? --Hegvald (talk) 10:47, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * When Warburg visited the Hopi, Voth was in charge there. Voth taught Warburg a lot about Hopi religion and beliefs. They went to an underground kiva (a ceremonial place) and studied the secret, but quiet pragmatic preparations for the ceremonial dance the next day and went to dances, where Warburg took photos and again watched secret preparations. The famous Warburg photo with a mask on will have been taken by Voth, I guess [that is not credited as by Voth; but who else could have taken the picture?]. Warburg praised Voth's knowledge, but also was angry with him for demanding too much money for the Hopi objects Warburg bought and later gave to the Hamburg Museum für Völkerkunde; there are some later letters (as far as I remember Voth wanted to sell collections to Berlin and Warburg knew Berlin people like von der Steinen and Ehrenreich, but the letters are all businesslike. It should be all in the nice book on Warburg's travels to the USA, or in editions of his 1923 Lecture on the snake dance ritual. All the sources I could find on Voth are in the article on him (Henry Voth)--Radh (talk) 12:22, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I hadn't realised this Stabilo guy was some kind of Nazi (of just troll).--Radh (talk) 17:37, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * To clarify what I did: I reverted the suspicious-looking content added to the Erwin Panofsky article after checking for the "reference", which turned out to be fake. There was no such issue of the Journal of Interdisciplinary History (year and volume don't match) and I could not confirm that an article of this title was ever published in the journal. I have not been able to check the contents of the Schmidt article in the Mennonite Quarterly Review used as a "reference" for the claims about Aby Warburg (that journal article, at least, appears to be real), but at this point I saw no reason to "assume good faith" on the part of the user any more. --Hegvald (talk) 17:51, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I had seen only the Warburg edits. Max Warburg also is often vandalised, I check from time to time, but it gets tiresome to always read the same us-nazi nonsense (federal reserve system, Warburg head of German secret service...).

Amanda Röntgen-Maier
Thanks for your comments. I'm writing a number of articles on women composers and I'm not doing in-depth research, only using online sources. Since there seems to be a question about the passage you've pointed out, I deleted it from the article. Pkeets (talk) 01:27, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Fast work
Thank you! -- Hoary (talk) 14:13, 30 November 2010 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. I guess the edit by Saimy123new may have been a technical mistake of some sort. Let's see if he gives you an explanation. --Hegvald (talk) 14:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)


 * If he does, it will be some time before I see it, as I'm going to bed. &para; He doesn't seem much inclined to explain his edits, others of which also seem peculiar to me. &para; Oh dear, more problems. Good night! -- Hoary (talk) 14:35, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Olof Åhlström
Hello! Your submission of Olof Åhlström at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! PM800 (talk) 21:12, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Röhss family
The DYK project (nominate) 12:04, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Olof Åhlström
Gatoclass (talk) 06:02, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Named refs, or paper style?
Please leave a comment over here —bender235 (talk) 11:24, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Polish songs
Thanks for addressing me, but I passed the question to the author. I added some external links to the article including a Samson book also dealing with the songs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:06, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Tórshavn
Thanks for moving it. Didn't know about that. No, I think the page should be a subpage of Tórshavn, or in this case, the talk page. I will be starting more than one media drive and keeping them separate will make it easier. Also, I intend the media drive to last for most of a year. The build up of media from several drives on my talk page will be some what confusing and harder for other editors to navigate through. Plus, it will become harder to delete after the drive is complete if it is a subpage of my talk page. --OO (talk)(useless text here) 16:37, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Vivian Maier
Nice work creating this. --John (talk) 05:53, 7 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. --Hegvald (talk) 09:42, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

norwegian diaspora
We need your input at Norwegian diaspora which was recently recreated. is trying to argue that the "diaspora" includes the viking expansion of the 8th and 9th century based on 1 reference by a professor in Old Norse Poetry who acceidentally uses the word in that context.·Maunus· ƛ · 21:05, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Dispositio Achillea
I have, at your request, restored the article. For the record the A5 comment was made by the nominating editor, not by me; I hold my hand up for the A2, although this was because I understood the article to have been brought over from the German wikipedia. We all make mistakes, but here they are reversible. --<b style="color:red;">Anthony Bradbury</b><sup style="color:black;">"talk" 20:26, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

User:Hegvald/DYK
User:Hegvald/DYK appears to be the same as Template talk:Did you know/Full TOC. Is it ok if I delete it? <b class="IPA">r ʨ anaɢ</b> (talk) 04:33, 5 August 2011 (UTC)


 * If I ever want it deleted, I know how to use the db-author template. OK? --Hegvald (talk) 12:32, 7 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Gosh, there's no reason to snap at me about it. I was trying to clean up the pages in the various DYK categories and I noticed this one which seemed redundant to one we already have. I informed you of another page that doesn't the same thing. I wasn't asking if you want it deleted (I know you know how to use db-author), I was asking if you mind having it deleted now that you know there is another page that does the same thing. <b class="IPA">r ʨ anaɢ</b> (talk) 22:48, 11 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I didn't appreciate a presumptuous tone in your original message. I haven't had constant internet access during the summer and I haven't been hanging around DYK for a while, and I just didn't see any reason why I should need to make up my mind about the issue right away. (I am OK with the redirect for the time being.) --Hegvald (talk) 07:25, 21 August 2011 (UTC)


 * What was "presumptuous" about my message? <b class="IPA">r ʨ anaɢ</b> (talk) 13:25, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I had already forgotten all about this conversation and see no use in revisiting it. --Hegvald (talk) 17:01, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Wilhelm Busch (pastor)
Please read article discussion prior to making any changes, there was a consensus that article should be renamed from priest to pastor, clergyman is even more odd term than priest wrt. protestant background of the person. Pls. revert your changes back to pastor approved by consensus. Thanx.--Stephfo (talk) 12:50, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I have commented on the talk page of the article. --Hegvald (talk) 13:01, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Please return the changes back to consensus, it is not necessary to comment but implement the consensus reached. Tahnx--Stephfo (talk) 13:21, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I am not going to discuss this here. Please keep further discussion at the talk page of the article and please note the message from User:Theroadislong at the bottom of your own user talk page. --Hegvald (talk) 13:37, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Hasselgren sourcing
Thanks very much for your input on the sourcing for that article -- I had no idea what we were being referred to. :-) -- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 13:56, 16 December 2011 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. I'll take a look at Werner's book whenever I get a chance. --Hegvald (talk) 05:39, 17 December 2011 (UTC)