User talk:Helenalex

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2007 (and New Year's Eve 2006).

Orange Order
Wanted to explain this here rather than the article talk page, to prevent starting any new arguments. I don't object to the views of Paul Butler being included, what I objected to was this edit combining what he said with another source to provide a piece of information that is in neither source. Yes Paul Butler may be in a position to know to an extent, but even if he had said that all 282 attacks were committed by nationalists (which he didn't) it's still dubious. The attacks were across Ireland over a 30+ year period, it's not plausible that he could say in any certainty that all 282 were committed by nationalists. Thanks. One Night In Hackney 303  11:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Why are you raising this ONiH? The article doesn't say that anymore, and rightly so.  I added a source and the way I did it made the sentence read badly, this was rectified with, it must be said, no positive contribution from you.  There is no reason to bring this up again as the problem, such as it existed, went away weeks ago.Traditional unionist (talk) 18:35, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm raising it here as I didn't have time to address this at the time, in particular the part that says "The page doesn't say that every hall was burnt by a nationalist, just that Paul Butler has said there is a nationalist arson campaign against Orange halls, and it does seem like he would know". I've never objected to the current version of the article, and wanted to clarify that. Rather than risk starting yet another heated discussion on the talk page, I thought it best just to clarify things here. OK? One Night In Hackney  303  18:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 1)You didn't make that clear and 2)I note you still haven't retracted your vile and unsubstantiated claims.Traditional unionist (talk) 18:43, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * For the love of god, why are you two having an argument on my talk page??? Can't you be annoying somewhere else?


 * In reference to ONiH's statement which refers to something I actually did write, I really can't see what the problem is. I specifically said I don't think every attack on an Orange hall was the work of nationalists - hell, I even said the odd one probably was the work of loyalists. Unless you're trying to claim that Paul Butler is completely wrong and there's no nationalist campaign against Orange halls whatsoever, I don't even see what you're disagreeing with. If that IS what you're arguing, I don't even know what to say, but I'd love to know how you explain the high rate of arson against them... --Helenalex (talk) 23:37, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Rollback
Would you like to have rollback? It's more efficient for some anti-vandalism purposes than the javascript tools such as Twinkle.- gadfium 07:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Done.- gadfium 08:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Hagley Community College
Why did you mark it for notability? Hagley is perfectly notable as far as schools go in Christchurch. Has a large school roll too. Bactoid (talk) 23:16, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Northern Ireland law template
I really like that template, however it refers solely to the House of Commons, Northern Ireland has a very similar but seperate legislative body at present, for which this temnplate can't be used. Perhaps just a rename and new template with a different logo?Traditional unionist (talk) 13:50, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The senate was a fully functioning legislative upper house, it was just a bit inneffectual! I'll take a look at that sometime.Traditional unionist (talk) 18:00, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Northern Ireland
Hi,

I'd like to take the opportunity to advise you on two matters which, being a member or former member of the Northern Ireland WikiProject or it's sister project on Belfast, you might be interested in the following submission about a recent terrorist attack Northern Irish Wikipedians' notice board.

I'd also like to take this opportunity to ask for your help in reviving the Northern Ireland WikiProject. Given that there are only a small number of Wikipedians from Northern Ireland or interested specifically in the region, the project needs all the help it can get.

Cheers, --Setanta747 (talk) 13:07, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Westlake
Hi. Thanks for your comments at Articles for deletion/Westlake, County Londonderry. Can I just ask you to return to the page and read my reply because I think there's been some confusion. Westlake isn't a village, it's just a road with some new houses on it. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Antipasto: A response
(I posted this on my talk page as well, but thought cross-posting here is a good idea)

Interestingly and relevant to my response here, we just had a company social/meal celebration earlier this afternoon here in a rural and non-touristy part of North Canterbury (it is a farming district, not Hanmer Springs or Kaikoura) which is one of the two most Pakeha-internsive regions in the country, and my boss, who organized the meal, is about as traditional Kiwi as you get here - certainly no Jafa and not even a city person. The main feature of the meal gathering is, you guessed it, antipasto. A bowl of aioli surrounded by julienned celery and carrots, and another plate is plattered with green and black olives, sun-dried tomatoes, liver pate, salami (pepperoni?). Mind you, we are not in Jafaland aka Auckland, so you can't simply dismiss our case as a cosmopolitan-area outlier. So the fact that we in rural NZ serve antipasto for entertaining guests does say something.

Allyson Gofton has put ways to make an antipasti platter in her recipe books without labelling this as "ethnic dish" as she does laksa (eg see this http://www.ecook.co.nz/index.php/ps_pagename/recipedetail/pi_recipeid/2080 ), and Peta Mathias claims it has become a common part of meals for entertaining guests (see her descriptions on olives, delicatessens, aioli on her A Cook's Tour of New Zealand (2005)), so I strongly disagree it is not yet a part of New Zealand cuisine. I wouldn't say your picture is incorrect, and indeed your perception of what NZ cuisine is and should be is identical to the picture my HK Chinese migrant parents still hold. It is only that perception has become a little out of date or old-fashioned. NZ food has been turned upside down pretty much since 1995, so perhaps the wave of change hasn't caught among your family and friends yet.

Anyhow, there is soon going to be a publication on the history and evolution of New Zealand cuisine in September, First, Catch Your Weka: The Story of New Zealand Cooking by David Veart. I think we should declare ceasefire to the argument of whether NZ cuisine is morphing into generic cosmopolitan fares (my side) or still sticking to traditional dishes (your side) these days, and use Veart's book as a judge. --JNZ (talk) 11:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Regarding your response, I agree that we may be stepping onto the territory of "what people eat in NZ" rather than cuisine that represents NZ to the outsiders. But isn't accepting foreign influences an integral part of NZ cuisine due to its young history?  In Australia, no one would protest what Neil Perry or Bill Granger cook are not iconic Australian food to outsiders.  I'm sure the staff at the Cuisine magazine would be interested to take someone to task for declaring Pacific Rim influenced dishes are cuisine in NZ rather than cuisine of NZ.  Nowadays Tourism New Zealand's promotions overseas do depict the quasi-Mediterranean/Pacific Rim styles of cuisines of 21st century New Zealand.  I'm sure you can go philosophical and argue being there does not necessarily mean it is iconic yet, but common sense would deduce this picture, being used to sell the idea to foreign tourists, shows the modern NZ cuisine of green curry and antipasto are just as representative to NZ cuisine as pavlova.


 * If you aren't happy with this in the mean time before Veart's book's publication, I'm sure Mark McDonough of Zarbo Deli in Newmarket will only be too happy to argue with you, and he is quite outspoken that fusion Pacific Rim cuisine is modern NZ cuisine. --JNZ (talk) 01:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The reason antipasto is but yum cha isn't is because a) a whole lot of people prepare and eat them at home; b) more New Zealanders in proportion know what antipasto is than dim sum, and c) it is sold at restaurants that regard themselves as "New Zealand" as well. This does make a lot of difference.  --JNZ (talk) 09:20, 30 May 2008 (UTC)  Addition: I should add that plenty of people of the type like Peta Mathias or Lauraine Jacobs already argue the likes of antipasto is representative of 'new' New Zealand cuisine.  You may dismiss these as food snobs' takes and thus unscholarly, but in this field, foodies are the experts. --JNZ (talk) 07:25, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

St Clair Surf Life Saving Club restored
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At least
You havent had the fooian booian stuff thrown your way :) SatuSuro 10:39, 18 July 2008 (UTC) Please dont ever consider it - i avoided all the conversation about at demographics australia in that department and simply tagged instead :) SatuSuro 10:54, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Duncree
I put clarity tags on the statements that don't make much sense in American English. I also added a reference tag to the page since it still lacks adequate referencing. Please consider using a personal sandbox for developing articles prior to creating a page. you can do this as follows User:Helenalex/My Sandbox. PB666 yap 01:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * In the US parades do not need lodges, a lodge in the US is either a private meeting house, or place to stay for the night. It is occasionally used as a grand lodge, such as a public area in a hotel. A parading dispute would translate as "a dispute on parade". Whereas to clarify the to one would write "a dispute over parade routes". With regard to the lodges, identify what types of lodges.  :Pages can be deleted moments after creation and are frequently deleted because the creating editor does not provide enough notability to the subject of the page, one good way to prevent this is to have at least two external and independent references. Its a good idea to let a page sleep overnight in a sandbox so that potential db traps are found. Putting a page without references in wikipedia recently is like putting a boat in the water that has a small hole in the bottom, sometimes it won't sink before you fix it.  :^)   There just tagsPB666 yap 02:40, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I had a page on a highly notable scientific topic deleted. Had I placed the page in a sandbox and added one more reference, it would not have been deleted. There are 100s of people that screen new pages. I am a anti-deletionist myself, I have seen pages targeted for deletion within seconds of appearing. So I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt, but that does not stop someone else, therefore the tags are good ways of getting people to hurry up and make the changes that will assure page survival.

But to be safe, make pages in a sandbox, all you have to do is push the link and you have a page 'wild-life' refuge that will protect it until its big enough to avoid those deletionist out there.PB666 yap 02:55, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

yes
yes. Plan 8 (talk) 22:26, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:NIR
This discussion has been reopened. I'd appreciate your input.Traditional unionist (talk) 10:45, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Removal of Prods
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Invitation
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Ethnic group articles
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Auckland meetup
Hi there. We're having a meetup in Auckland shortly, and as you seem to live here, I thought I would call your attention to it. See Meetup/Auckland 4 if interested. Richard001 (talk) 07:59, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Rodney Hide photos
I notice that these have fields missing - you might need to get an OTRS permission if they are not your photos. They should also be uploaded (moved) to Commons, and since there is more than one, a Commons page created. Richard001 (talk) 06:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * See WP:OTRS and OTRS. Richard001 (talk) 01:46, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I have moved them to Commons, but they'll be deleted in seven days it seems. It says "Stuart Wilson of Act New Zealand" provided them. Did he send you an email saying this? Were the conditions (modification/commercial use) clear to him when he gave permission (people often think they are just giving permission to use them on Wikipedia - that's not how it works though)? We need some sort of formal record of this before we can accept such images. Are you able to provide one (either an old email or a new one from him). Don't worry if they get deleted quickly; they can always be undeleted if permission comes though. Richard001 (talk) 06:22, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Databank
I object to deleting the page Databank Systems Limited which you may have tagged to be deleted, and as there is nowhere else to object, I am objecting here, as the company was a notable innovation in banking in New Zealand Hugo999 (talk) 06:20, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: Women's suffrage
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Redirect of Glenfield college
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 * Oh, I see you have sent the email to OTRS. You might want to add OTRS pending. I'm not sure how they handle Wikipedia OTRS permissions if it is moved to Commons, though I guess it works smoothly.


 * I took the global history course this semester, was quite interesting. I suppose you know my tutor, Elinor. Would you be interested in joining a Wikipedians (or Wikimedians) club at the university? It might be tricky finding members at first, but we could probably recruit some new ones as well, and would probably be the first thing of its sort in the country. Richard001 (talk) 06:28, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

COI case
I've just seen the case of User talk:Artsfounation, who I think is making well-meaning edits but is suspected of spam. Since you are becoming involved in this area, you might like to comment.- gadfium 09:07, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Bot WPNZ tagging
Hi Helenalex, sorry for the late reply, didn't get a notification of your message for some reason. I've replied on my talk page. XLerate (talk) 04:56, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Listen Helenalex,

I am providing truth about what happens in the Orange Order. Please do not disrupt my editing as it is the festive season. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robmuntzawesome (talk • contribs) 05:01, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Ethnic groups template
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Fiction Survey 2009
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Taikura Rudolf Steiner School
I removed the prod since the school covers secondary as well as primary education, and standard practice is for secondary schools to go through AFD.

Nice to see you back here. I presume your new job keeps you pretty busy.- gadfium 09:14, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

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WikiProject New Zealand/governments
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Are you out of here?
You seem to be winding up as a Wikipedia editor. Are you out of here? I'm sorry if you are. --Geronimo20 (talk) 11:32, 5 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I saw your note on Geronimo20's page. I've missed you too.


 * The interface shouldn't have changed for an existing user. Are you talking about the fundraising banner? That happens each year around this time. You can suppress it with Special:Preferences - Gadgets. You can also change your skin from the preferences page. Perhaps yours got reset somehow - possibly you chose to join the Beta? It will say "Beta feedback" and "Leave Beta" at the top of the screen if so. The monobook skin is the default one and probably what you're used to.- gadfium 18:43, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

File:Nzcivilunion.JPG
Hi Helenalex. can you please upload this file to Commons so I can use it on Hebrew Wiki? thank. אנדר-ויק (talk) 13:43, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

WPNZ template
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Auckland Meetup 5 on 9 May 2010
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Congratulations
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Reform Government of New Zealand
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Please, I'm begging you
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Rose Report
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The Troubles in Derry
Hi. You created this article a long time ago, but it appears to have deteriorated and it badly needs some inline citations. The trigger for this is I took some information from the article to use in Terraced houses in the United Kingdom and another editor has challenged its factual accuracy.

From a cursory view, the information looks roughly what I remember from learning about the Troubles in geography at school, but I wouldn't trust my decades-old memory as a reliable source, so I really want to look up individual claims. I don't think it's 's area of expertise but I wouldn't be surprised if they could work miracles on this.... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  11:00, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Invitation to an in-person meetup in Mohua / Golden Bay
Thinking about your summer break? Think about joining other Wikipedians and Wikimedians in Golden Bay / Mohua! Details are on the meetup page. There's heaps of interesting stuff to work on e.g. the oldest extant waka or New Zealand's oldest ongoing legal case. Or you may spend your time taking photos and then upload them.

Golden Bay is hard to get to and the airline flying into Tākaka uses small planes, so we are holding some seats from and to Wellington and we are offering attendees a $200 travel subsidy to help with costs.

Be in touch with Schwede66 if this event interests you and you'd like to discuss logistics.  Schwede 66  09:14, 13 November 2023 (UTC)