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xocoatl
Look, I agree with everything you're writing except the "failed verification" part. I own the Molina dictionary and have worked with the language a bit, and I work with 16th century sources as my scholarly project. Everything you've written is correct. The derivation of "chocolate" is a great big mess, but them saying "bitter" versus "sour" is actually a minor point of usage. As it happens, the dictionary I've been using of 16th century spanish usage does list "bitter" as one of the last definitions of "agria". Its 16th century usage that matters since words change their meanings and usage over time. FYI here's some of the cacao related vocabulary from the Molina dictionary. Note the definition for xocoatl.:

Bever agua, vino o cacao	atli Bevida de cacao con mayz	cacau atl Bevida de cacao con aji		chillo cacauatl. chilcacautl bevida de cacao solo		atlanelollo cacautl bevida de maiz de otra manera	xocoatl bevida de cacao con flores secas y molidas		xochiayo cacauatl xochayo cacauatl

cacao	almendra y moneda	cacauatl maçorca de cacao		cacauacentli espuma de cacao o cosa asi	cacauapoçonallotl cacauapoçonillotl espuma de cosa cocida		pooçonallotl

xocoatl				cierta bebida de mayz cacauaatl			bevida de cacao cacauachichiua ni		contrahazer el cacao para engañar cacauacentli			mazorca o piña de cacao cacauaniliztli			fama o rumor de nuevas cacauapinolli			bevida de cacao o la harina del cacaupoçconallot		espuma de cacao cacauaquiliztli			destemplança del cuerpo o calentura cacauatl			grano de cacao

Rsheptak (talk) 19:16, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * We need the source that says "chocolate and xocolātl derived from xococ, sour, and atl, water".--Hello&#39;work (talk) 04:34, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No we don't, we need a source which derives it from "xococ" and "atl" which we have, what the english translation they give of xococ is is irrelevant. Rsheptak (talk) 19:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)