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Taking things off the project page
Hey Henni, I think that it's time that we take our chatting off the FS WikiProject page and move it to our talk page, since we're now delving into topics not necessarily appropriate there. I see that you're new to English WP! That's great, especially since there's such a need for the kind of article improvement for fs articles and lists that you're interested in. Anyway, I have some suggestions for your friend who's thinking about downloading their images to Commons. One of my regular frustrations about trying to use fs images from Commons is that the descriptions aren't specific enough. It would really help if your friend records the competition and program of each skater. If the image illustrates an element, they should also record that. I'm not a skater, so I'm not able to identify elements from an image, so I've wished that the person downloading the image would've recorded that, because if they did, we'd be able to illustrate more elements and moves. Anyway, welcome to English WP and the to FS WikiProject. Let's keep in touch! Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 02:55, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's a good idea to move the conversation here.
 * What I can definitely do on Commons is writing more detailed descriptions for the pictures, so that everyone knows what is shown there. That includes:
 * The skater with age and season
 * The exact event (like 2013 NHK Trophy) and competition segment (SP/FS) or gala, podium etc.
 * The program with the name of the music piece and choreographer
 * The name of the costume designer (if known)
 * The name of the technical element or move shown (or starting/ending pose).
 * Pictures with jumps are particularly tricky, because it's almost impossible to guess the jump type and revolutions from just one shot. I will add those information, if known.
 * The pictures that I uploaded on Commons from Phantom's archive all have the same structure in their file name: Year — event — skater — segment. Here is an example: File:2019 Grand Prix Final - Yuzuru Hanyu SP (5).jpg
 * It might make sense to add these Commons guidelines to your style page as well and pin that somewhere on the FS project page where it's visible and easy to access for all members. Henni147 (talk) 07:36, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Wow, you're so smart! I think we should post these guidelines at both the FS project page and to Commons. I'll go do both now. Thanks! And if you're in the U.S., have a great holiday weekend.Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 15:02, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Great! I will add the guidelines for tables and lists, when you're finished. In the meantime I go on with adding detailed descriptions to the pictures I uploaded last week. If you scroll down this page for example, you will find details to the move that Hanyu executes here: a forward outside 3 turn.
 * I'm not in the U.S., but here in Germany we have 7 more hours left from our weekend, too :D Wish you a nice day as well. Henni147 (talk) 15:13, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah that's so great. Because of your detailed description, we can add that image to the 3 turn article! Which I will do! ;) Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 15:29, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * If you go through this list of uploads, you will find pictures for a pancake sit spin, doughnut camel spin, Mohawk step, counter turn, backward counterclockwise crossover, circle (compulsory figure), different types of hydroblading, layback Ina Bauer, outside spread eagle and many other moves. I almost finished the descriptions for 2019 and 2018, the rest will follow now. Henni147 (talk) 15:35, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi! I just saw your reaction to the updates on the FS manual page. Thank you very much! I'm not finished with the edit yet (working on the table templates right now), but hope to complete it today. The general guidelines for tables are a bit overwhelming at the moment, but I will distribute some of them across the sub-sections, where they fit best. If you have any good suggestions, I'm open for everything. Henni147 (talk) 17:44, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi to you! Yah, you've done some very impressive work. And yah, it can be overwhelming, but I think your attention to detail is outstanding and will be helpful anyway. When you're done, I'll take a closer look and see how it can be made more user-friendly. Keep up the good work! Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 21:22, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I think, I'm done for the time being. I found a decent solution with collapse templates to keep the table section at reasonable size, but still offer all templates that are regularly used in FS articles. I also added checkmarks to the template headers, where the table has passed the review and "scrutiny test" for featured list status already (which should be the new standard for all tables).
 * In case of the competitive highlights, I don't like that in current articles the competition names are shortened like "Worlds" or "Japan Champ.", especially if there is enough room in the column to display the competition name without abbreviations. Since the tables must be re-formatted anyway, I would suggest to expand the names to "World Championships", "Japan Championships" etc., if they fit the column. What do you think?
 * I also added "Olympic Winter Games" in the style guidelines section, but I would like you to take a closer look at it, because I'm not sure, if I got everything right. Henni147 (talk) 14:45, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Nice work. I went to the style sheet and did a little copyediting. I really like how you divided up the sections there. I'm fine with your idea about the competitive highlights tables; perhaps that should be up to the discretion of the editor? Man, your German precision has been so helpful! (I can say that because I have some German heritage, although my family hasn't spoken the language for at least five generations. My Irish heritage messes me up in that area, though.) ;) I think that we should link this discussion to the style sheet's talk page; when you archive your talk page, let me know and I'll fix the new link. Thanks! Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 15:35, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'm glad that it helped (I'm of Hungarian heritage btw., but I love math :D). And yeah, I agree that it might be best to leave the decision about abbreviations to the editor.
 * PS: I have no clue how to empty and archive talk pages, so I would be very grateful for help ;) Henni147 (talk) 17:09, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yikes, why did I think you were German? My bad. This is the tool I use for archiving talk pages: Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 22:34, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for the link! And well, I am a German citizen, so you were not wrong here. It's just that my family is mostly from Hungary and I'm not sure, how much of the precision is actually linked to the German precision mythos haha :D Henni147 (talk) 12:33, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Yuzuru FLC
Hey, I just saw that this passed! Excellent, and congrats! Ya know, one of my fantasies is that the American commentators mention our recent improvements to fs articles here while they're on the air. If that ever happened, I will rise from my sofa and do a happy dance! ;) After all your good work, there's no reason why they shouldn't. I'm sure it will be of good use to them and to the fs community in general. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:00, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * To be very honest... I keep my expectations rather low and just hope that, in the future, commentators and journalists at least get their facts right and stop being so superficial and selective in their news reports, particularly when it comes to the skaters' results and achievements.
 * When we created Hanyu's career achievement page, we had to dig really deep to find a newspaper article that mentioned him being the first single skater to be ranked first in the world standings five consecutive times. Not a single article about him becoming the only active skater to win seven world medals. Nothing. In some other sports it would have been a headline for weeks that he landed his 50th clean triple Axel in his 51st international senior short program. In figure skating it's the fans and an Italian commentator, who have to remind the Japanese press to at least mention this milestone somewhere, achieved by their own skater. It's mindblowing, but that's how it is. Henni147 (talk) 17:09, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, one of the reasons we do what we do is so that people have accurate and intensive information about all topics, especially about figure skating. That's why we have to rely upon the in-house reporting that the ISU and national federations do, even though they're not technically reliable sources. I wrote about that in part of a paper in one of my grad school classes last semester. It's strange when you start seeing facts from the WP article you wrote in the press, so as we get closer to the Olympics, we'll probably see more of that. You should feel proud that reporters and commentators are using you as a source, although they get to be paid for it. Ah well, that's the nature of the beast of free content. The important thing is that accurate information is out there for everyone. I'm a little surprised about the lack of depth in the Japanese press. I'd expect that from the American press, since fs isn't as popular as it was in the 90s post-Tanya Harding era. I'm so looking forward to seeing the sea of Pooh bear dolls again. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 22:28, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * And it just keeps coming! Congrats re the list's appearance on the main page next month! Whoo-hoo! Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 03:01, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this is really cool! I can't wait to see it there! About Japanese media: It's not like they don't report about anything. I remember very vividly the overly-detailed reports about Hanyu's practice sessions like "he unzipped his jacket" or "took a sip from his water bottle" :D But yeah, they have an interesting concept of notability. That's for sure. Henni147 (talk) 12:33, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Re-structuring of articles about figure skating steps and turns
Hello Christine! I wanted to create these tables about figure skating jumps, steps and turns a long time ago and finally completed them: User:Henni147/sandbox. When I started to learn about skating myself, these tables were extremely useful for me and I think, they would be a big help for casual readers on Wikipedia as well. I have not created/ uploaded the images of the ice marks yet, but I can add them any time, if needed.

My idea is to merge articles about single steps and turns into one big article and place this table in the first section for a general overview. The article about Twizzles can stay separately, as they are important technical elements in ice dance, but the other ones like the Rocker turn or the Mohawk turn are currently not very long and also poorly referenced. In case of jumps it definitely makes sense to keep the sub-pages like the Axel jump and add the table to the general article about figure skating jumps. Do you think, it's worth a go? Henni147 (talk) 13:41, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Henni, I'm so glad you're doing all this work! Tables are one of my weakest areas as an editor, so my mind doesn't automatically go to creating them to help readers visualize things. So I'm very impressed. I don't consider myself a casual f.s. fan, but identifying jumps is still difficult for me, so the chart would help me, too. (At least I'm able to identify rotations, though.) I agree that we should keeping the sub-pages about jumps (since I re-wrote all of them) and add the chart to the general jumps article (which I also re-wrote and used WP:Summary style, which is appropriate for the kind of article. I have one suggestion, though: Shouldn't you also state that the Axel jump is the only jump that begins with a forward takeoff and the easiest jump to identify? I also think that we should keep the individual spin articles, especially since I spent most of last week re-writing them like the individual jump articles.
 * Yes, merging articles is a fine idea. To be honest, I've resisted doing that, because I think that if you do, you'd have to do an AfD for the shorter and unreferenced articles about turns and I didn't want to step on any toes. Of course I agree about keeping a separate article for the twizzle, since again, I re-wrote that too, so of course I agree that it's an important element in ice dance. I'm not so sure about creating a general article about turns, though. When I revamped Ice dance, there wasn't a lot of reliable information about them. There's more research to be done, though, from some sources I've discovered since, so I may be able to find more, but to honest, I doubt it. I think the reason for that is the demise of figures, so the rocker and mohawk aren't being done as much anymore. That's just a theory of mine, though, so I'm not sure if it's accurate.
 * At any rate, let's keep up the conversation, and great work! Up until last week, I was skeptical of achieving my personal goal of having all the important articles about the technical aspects of figure skating completed before the Winter Olympics, but now, after finishing the spin articles just last week, I think it's attainable. Next week, I plan on tackling ISU Judging System and 6.0 system because most casual fans are, I think, confused about the scoring system. And then I may be able to get to the main figure skating article, although for me, that's not as important to complete. Then other editors can focus on bios, which are also much needed. So yah us! ;) Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 21:46, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
 * About the Axel jump: I think, the info that it's the easiest jump to identify is mentioned in the prose part already, so it would be a bit redundant and doesn't really fit the very factual character of data tables. What I can do is to highlight anomalies in the last two columns in bold and italic like the forward take-off of the Axel or the inside edge landing of the Euler etc.
 * Regarding the merge of steps and turns: I don't intend to delete the sub-pages, but turn them into redirects to the sections of the new merged page, including all 12 basic steps and turns and the classification table on top. There are 2-3 very good sources from Skate Canada, ice-dance.com and the official ISU Technical Panel Handbooks that I used for the table already.
 * You need the definition of the 12 basic steps and turns to understand how levels for step sequences in singles and pairs are given. Before the 15/16 season all 12 types in the table counted for step sequence levels, but since the 15/16 season only the 6 difficult turns in bold count: twizzles, loops, rockers, counters, brackets and Choctaws. If you want to get Level 4 in singles or pairs, you must execute all six of these turns and five of them in both rotation directions (clockwise and counterclockwise). That's the reason why Hanyu was forced to drop the backward cross rolls in the step sequence of Seimei after Autumn Classic 2015. He got maximum GOE (+3 from 6 of 7 judges), but only Level 2 for the StSq (which was really paradox), because the cross rolls were no longer considered as difficult steps by the ISU.
 * I also want to add a section in the step sequence article about the level determination in singles and pairs with an exemplary pattern of 14 difficult steps and turns, where the 11 that count for Level 4 (clockwise and counterclockwise) are marked with colors and the utilization of the ice surface is shown, so that readers understand how the levels are calculated by the technical panel (everything properly sourced with the official ISU TP handbooks and special regulations for the different judging systems).
 * By the way: In this you can see very nicely how many different steps and turns are performed by a single skater in one program. It's a quite lot, especially Chassés and Mohawks. Henni147 (talk) 12:14, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * All the above sounds great. I'm learning about the more technical aspects of figure skating as we go, and not being a skater myself, depending upon the expertise of others. Which is as it should be. User:Jasper Deng, who is a skater, has been a good resource. BTW, James R. Hines' books have some info about turns, too. I need to go through them when I research the scoring system, and intend to mine them for other content that would fit into other articles. I've hesitated including content about levels in any of the articles about elements because I think that it better fits in the IJS article, but if you find good sources, knock yerself out. ;)
 * Wow, what a great video. Thanks so much for bringing it to my attention. I think it should eventually be included in the IJS article, and in Hanyu's bio in the External links section. Has any other of his videos been annotated like that, or of any other skater? Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:52, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Age record at the 2011 Four Continents Championships
Hello @Henni147 The much-awaited secondary source acknowledging that Yuzuru Hanyu is the youngest ever 4CC medallist has been published. https://nonno.hpplus.jp/article/65252/22/ It is in Japanese though (as well as a few potential quotes), I hope it will suffice even for the page in English. With my admiration, TR — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:DC:AF27:DD75:B985:B86:6ABD:3388 (talk) 22:14, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for the reminder. I added the info to his list of career achievements under firsts and age records. Henni147 (talk) 10:53, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Now maybe his being the youngest ever medalling at Junior Japan Nationals in 2007? If only a TV program is a legitimate source. https://twitter.com/miruru1207yuzu/status/1448779209799659522 https://twitter.com/Iron_Klaus/status/1449807881281449991 Still with my admiration, and my best wishes, TR — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:DC:AF27:DD36:88DE:BF35:E762:69B6 (talk) 23:45, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

National records
I checked the recent changes, and now national records is about the highest scores done by Japanese single male skaters in ISU sanctioned and domestic competitions? Correct me if I'm wrong. If that's the case, I think the meaning should be stated, just like the Canadian Records page did. Plus, the ISU absolute score page should be linked to the "Current and historical Japanese national record scores by competition segment" table along with a similar page but only for domestic competitions over the years if that exists (or articles that stated those scores are record scores for all Japanese skaters including domestic competitions). Otherwise, it could be considered as original research. - Yolo4A4Lo (talk) 00:43, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes. I just had a talk with Max Ambesi from Italian Eurosport and he told me that - officially - national record scores can only be achieved at international/ ISU sanctioned events. Daniel Grassl for example set a new national record in his SP at the 2021 Grand Premio d'Italia with 95.67 points, although he had already scored above 96 at the 2020 Italian Nationals. So that one obviously doesn't count for national records. This news article confirms it: Punkterekord für Daniel Grassl in Turin
 * My suggestion is: We note explicitely that only international scores are considered for national records in the table. I will link the ISU's personal best pages as source and change the current Japanese FS record in men's singles from the 215.83 at JNats to the 212.99 score that he achieved at Skate Canada 2019. I will also move the three linked news articles to the event record table. With that solution we avoid original research. As soon as I find a full list of all results at JNats, I will add that one too. Henni147 (talk) 10:27, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Adeliia Petrosian
Hello Henni147, I opened two discussion about the quad loop of Adeliia Petrosian (Talk:Loop jump and Talk:Figure_skating_jumps), do you want to add anything? About the list of first jumps (Special:diff/1063729812): I think other entries from the (distant) past like the triple loop are maybe also from national championships. It is also possible that there is no need to discuss this because of a successful quad loop at a ISU ratified competition this season by Petrosian. Beste Grüße von --Kallichore (talk) 21:54, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

"Certified"
I reckon you're drafting updates on Beijing Olympics, so I just want to give you a heads up. Unfortunately, the term "certified" is not official term. No one has ever used it before today. The meaning is actually that "the jump wasn't downgraded to a triple" or "it received a base value of 4A, before reduced for underrotation". So if you're thinking to use the "certified" term, I suggest don't. I have done quick updates to note that achievement because people has been trying to mess the articles up (I got them locked now, fortunately), but it's still kinda messy, so feel free to work around the words.

Also, if you stumble upon an article that says Yuzu's attempt is the best 4A attempt so far, please add it. I've tried to find one but failed. -- Yolo4A4Lo (talk) 16:22, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi! I haven't done any updates about today's freeskate, so that must have been someone else. I'm very busy at the moment with other work and can only take a look this weekend. If there is some inaccuracy that is problematic, I would be very grateful if you fixed it. Thank you very much in advance! Henni147 (talk) 16:40, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Need your opinion on dispute on Yuzuru Hanyu
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Yuzuru Hanyu § "The Greatest" or "one of the greatest men's singles skater"?. Yolo4A4Lo (talk) 15:48, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Mick Jagger nominated for FAC
Hello Henni147, Mick Jagger has been nominated for Featured Article status. If you'd like to take part in the discussion, it can be found here. I am reaching out as you commented on Peer review/Mick Jagger/archive1. I hope that you have a great weekend! -- The SandDoctor Talk 19:27, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Looking for sources
As you know, I have expanded the two subsections on Yuzu, but I think we need to put more explanation on his impact and popularity to indirectly support his GOAT argument. So, I have listed out some points I need more references on on my sandbox. Since you communicate with other fanyus, maybe they can help. I use the Wikipedia on Babe Ruth as reference to decide what topics should be included, especially from Memorial to Legacy sections. Feel free to dump any links on suggestions on the Todo list on my sandbox. Cheers. - Yolo4A4Lo (talk) 12:50, 2 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi! I just shared your to-do-list on my twitter account as part of a wiki team project. I hope, this is okay for you :)
 * Regarding the "balance" quote: you can find it at Yuzu's wikiquote page. Here it is with the transcript source:
 * 難易度と芸術 のバランスというのは本当はないんじゃないかな、芸術は絶対的な技術力に基づいたものである、と僕は思っています.
 * Translation: That so-called balance between [technical] difficulty and artistry, to me that doesn't actually exist. Artistry is founded upon absolute technical prowess, that's what I think.
 * Source: Official transcript of the post-Olympic press conference at 日本記者クラブ (Japan National Press Club)
 * I will take a closer look at the other aspects on the to-do-list later.
 * Again, thank you very much for your additions in the skating style and accolades sections! Henni147 (talk) 15:03, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Henni, I have just updated the section now with the latest development on quad Axel in competition, and it just came to me rather than using the whole quote, I would like to summary his view with something like, "Despite his eagerness to broaden his quad jumps arsenal, Hanyu has emphasized his view on the importance of having the correct technique and a strong foundation in regards in regards to the ongoing debate on jumps versus artistry in the sport. He also stated the new judging that prioritized jumps was not in line with his view of figure skating." That's definitely a very rough draft because I forget the whole quote. Do you remember the source? I think it's from Japanese interview after Share Practice. A paid content or something. I think this way is more efficient to pain this view in not so many words (and to avoid copyrights as well). What do you think? - Yolo4A4Lo (talk) 08:01, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, this sounds very smart. I have to ask my friend for the SharePractice source. Don't have it on the radar either at the moment.
 * I am currently polishing the skating technique section a bit, adding some short information about the take-off, size, and increase of speed that make Hanyu's jumps stand out besides their difficult entries. I have found a very good reliable source that analyzed the IceScope data from Worlds 2019, and highlighted Hanyu's 3A as the largest measured jump in the men's SP. This information is definitely worth being mentioned, I think.
 * Now that we are working parallel on Hanyu's bios, it might be good to have a place to chat. If you have a twitter account, you can just DM me ( @Henni147 ), and I can also connect you with some fellow users who are experts for Japanese sources, translations etc. That would make communication much easier than here on the talk pages. Henni147 (talk) 08:57, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It's worth mentioning, but I think since the Skating Technique section should cover his whole career, it's not enough to just cited data from one competition. Ideally, if there's a reliable article out there that analyzes his jumps as whole and states something like "Hanyu usually lands 3A with height around 70-75 cm and distance around...", we can add it right away. But since it doesn't exist as far as we know, we need to have several sources to make it notable enough to be included.
 * Thank you for the suggestion, but I really want to stay anonymous on Wikipedia to keep my objectivity on subjects I edit here. But I can make a new e-mail address and connect it to my account here, so you can e-mail me if you want. Or, I was thinking we could put our ideas for the article on your sandbox (maybe you want to make a dedicated subpage if you want to use your sandbox for other purpose). It's more organized since we have established the subsections there. We can use the colored text and strike to decided which idea to be done or something like that. I was thinking to move my to-do list there so it's easier to track the progress. - Yolo4A4Lo (talk) 09:51, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have just moved the headings from my sandbox to a new draft page. You can place your to-do list on top of the page, so that it's easy to follow the progress.
 * You may take a quick look at my additions on the main bios page in the skating technique section. Two sources note the big size of Hanyu's jumps in general, and I added the video source where the ISU uses Hanyu's jump as a demonstration example for very good height/distance as well as difficult/unexpected entry. So I think it's fine and also important to add this info. I added more comments about my edits on the new draft page.
 * The skating technique section may look a bit long now at first glance, but I feel that every paragraph is equally essential. As a person who has compiled FS data and analyzed technical skills for six years now, the accuracy and completeness of this section is really important to me. I want it to properly show Hanyu's full spectrum of skills—not only as a performing artist, but also as an athlete. Henni147 (talk) 20:25, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I have given it a quick review. I'll come back later in the day (or slowly updating them) after finishing my job today. Have read the update, very informative. Btw, about the definition of maximum scores, I think it's better to be included as a note instead of just inside parentheses. Just use the first sentence from the max score subsection from List of Achievement. I wonder if ISU or an article has ever defined the maximum score formally. If they have, it could be used as the ref (and added to List of Achievement as well). Onto the sandbox now. Yolo4A4Lo (talk) 14:19, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is a good idea. I can't remember any official definition of a maximum score as such. Sometimes it's called maximum score, max score, or simply perfect score, and it means the highest possible score you can get for a specific element. I have added the explanation from the Career Achievements in a footnote for clarification, but I'm not sure which source to add (if at all).
 * I'm also thinking about adding a short footnote about the IceScope tool, so that people know that this was rather a test event, and it's not the norm to measure jumps in competition. Henni147 (talk) 14:59, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

August 2022
There is a discussion at FAC for Tara Lipinski which you might be interested to see and maybe participate in. There may be some things of interest to the Hanyu article also in terms of formatting and edit conventions. ErnestKrause (talk) 13:37, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Short follow-up question: that was a nice review about the snooker article at FAC, and will you try to do another of the articles currently listed for FAC? (By the way, if you have a photo of yourself playing snooker or billiards then it might be a nice touch to add it to your user page, Benny was pleased with your review.) ErnestKrause (talk) 21:11, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for the feedback. I'm glad that I could be of help. Yes, I play snooker and also have my own cue, but I prefer not to put up a picture of myself for the time being. However, if I find the time, I can do more snooker FAC reviews this weekend. I have seen that the 2022 Welsh Open article still has no comments. I will also join the WP project snooker. Best wishes Henni147 (talk) 04:33, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Henni and . As you may already know, there's a list of snooker-related articles nominated for FA/FL/GA at WikiProject_Snooker. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 08:20, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Looks like congratulations on the Hanyu Olympics article. Nice going. ErnestKrause (talk) 22:10, 11 October 2022 (UTC)