User talk:HenriHa/Lauttakylän Luja

About deletion
I think the artickle shouldn't been deleted, becaus Luja has been in Suomi-sarja for many seasons and it's not quite small sports club in Finland for because it has 1,000 members. --HenriHa (talk) 09:33, 15 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Moi @HenriHa: sports clubs are not inherently notable, even at the top level (which Suomi-sarja obviously isn't), so you need to establish notability per WP:GNG. This requires significant coverage in multiple independent and reliable secondary sources, specifically of the club itself, not just routine reporting of their participation in sporting events etc. I note that you've added several references since I first saw and PRODded this, but they're all primary, and all but one cite the club's own website, none of which unfortunately contributes towards notability. Terveisin, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:51, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * One source is secondary MyHuittinen and I'm pretty sure I can find atleast three independent secondary sources in one week time even if MyHuittinen isn't counted. --HenriHa (talk) 09:55, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It's debatable whether MyHuittinen as a source is primary or secondary (I'd say the former), but the article you cite appears to have been written by the club's chairperson, and that certainly makes it not just primary but also non-independent.
 * Yes please, by all means do add secondary sources meeting the GNG criteria. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:02, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * How about now? Four sources: Jatkoaika, Alueviesti, Lauttakylä (which is newspaper based in Huittinen) and Eurohockey. --HenriHa (talk) 10:39, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * And Yle for fifth source. --HenriHa (talk) 10:41, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, there are now two, possibly three, independent secondary sources, but they don't really provide significant coverage of the club; they're just routine business reporting, and (with the notable exception of the Yle piece) they're also hyperlocal in nature.
 * The acid test is this: would the article survive an AfD discussion? I'm pretty sure it wouldn't, as it stands. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:02, 15 March 2023 (UTC)