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Speedy deletion nomination of Independent Contractors of Australia


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Speedy deletion nomination of Independent Contractors of Australia


A tag has been placed on Independent Contractors of Australia, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising that only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an acceptable page. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item G11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

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Independent Contractors of Australia
Hi, thanks for message. You can sign your comments automatically using four tildes ~. Several problems. There is much more in the same vein. Many companies and organisations have Wikipedia articles, but we are an encyclopaedia, not a free advertising service or soapbox. Hope this clarifies  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  08:04, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Your recent article because it did not provide independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that it meets the notability guidelines. Most of your text was completely unreferenced, and has virtually no factual content (membership, funding, headquarters etc). It's all mission statements, objectives and other spam, so even if it had proper sources there is nothing to show notability.
 * It was written in a promotional tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic. Examples of unsourced claims presented as fact include: powerful and well-respected national association... strives for excellence... providing them with the information they need to thrive... took a lead role... will continue to work with all... to enshrine the right... foremost body in Australia... to champion the profile, status and well-being... to protect their rights... principal lobbyist and advocate... Attacks against independent contractors in one sector must be seen and defended as attacks on all independent contractors... as proven in its 2001 effort in relation... will be actively engaged in research... to further independent contractors’ rights
 * The Mission, Objectives and Strategies sections are fact-free spam
 * Who are independent contractors? is self-defined and partisan. Eg They are not employees and do not want to be employees... They want to be free to work flexibly and efficiently in their own time... The state does not need to assume power it should not have... independent contractors accept that they work within business regulatory regimes... Reject the claim that “employment” regulation is the only form of protection available... Deliberately seek out contractor status, in the full knowledge that it involves business risks (not taken by employees), in the confident expectation that they will achieve reward and success in their own business
 * Text now here  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  10:14, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

New version
 Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  06:15, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've made some MoS fixes, mainly caps and bolding
 * I've formatted the refs, but my descriptions are just place holders to save me time, format is [url description], you need to change the descriptions to something more useful than eg "law"
 * The table is good, but you need to give factual stuff more prominence
 * There is still too much "this is the good stuff we have done... are doing... will do" with four sections (lead, mission, strategies, policies) presenting a positive view of the organisation. The over-reliance on lists, as well as being bad prose, also highlights the one-sidedness
 * There is no hint that the ICA has ever been criticised or that its views are not shared by all Australians. For example, the bit about the legislation is clearly important, but there is no indication that anyone disagreed with this law, who they were, or why they took a different view
 * If I was seeing this for the first time, although it's better, I would still immediately see that it's written on behalf of an organisation, rather than to be an encyclopaedia article

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Reason: Not sufficiently improved; The paragraph beginning "More" is   promotional, most of the remainder of the content is repetitive, and none of the references I can see address directly the notability  of this particular organization. Most are non-independent, or discuss the general situation of the industry. The best, financial Review 7 Aug 2012, is merely that the president is quoted as head of "an organization that represents..." I don't think such references are usually accepted at AfD as sufficient. But if you shorten and rewrite the article sufficiently, I will not hinder you from  taking your chances if you want to.  DGG ( talk ) 01:26, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

further changes
The tone remains promotional. It reads like advocacy for the purposes of the organization, and it appears to me that you are unable to fix it. As I said earlier, "You are automatically thinking in terms of what the subject wishes to communicate to the public, but an uninvolved person will think in terms of what the public might wish to know". The quotation of the official wording for the articles section is one half advocacy, and one half meaningless verbiage, as is usual.
 * 1)  There remains repetition between the articles, intro, the funding section, the mission,   the campaigns & the objectives section
 * 2)  These sections are written as if the claims of the members of the association represent "fairness" . Those opposing the purposes of the association presumably think otherwise. The usual objection is that  this status is a device for the individuals to escape the taxes that other workers pay, & for the employers to escape some of the obligations.  (I have nothing against this status--I have myself worked   as one.)
 * 3) The background may be unnecessary-- does the legal situation in australia differ from elsewhere> We have an article on IC, and you link to it.
 * 4) In section 4, it is not clear which of these have been successfully advocated and those not yet successful.
 * 5) There is some basic information not yet present: How many of the 1 million independent contractors are members of the association. Without this, how can the importance be judged?  This is critical
 * 6) There is an strong and dubious implied claim in the article that the OBO are essentially part of the same group. They are not. If I run a grocery store, I am not an independent contractor. Do you even admit them to membership?
 * 7) I think Jim made a mistake. The  table is not good. It talks about the number of contractors, not about the association. But we can use it; I am going to put a section on australia in the IC article, and insert the relevant parts of the table   as the content.
 * 8) The references situation  is quite unfortunate. If you say the references are only to the Director's speeches, at least give  them. It can be implied he speaks for the organization. Whether the community will think it close enough I can not tell.

Here's what I will do: it will be easier for me to fix the article than to convince you to fix it, for you appear unwilling to address the problems. If you will add the statistics on members--and, if possible, growth of membership, both individual and corporate members, and give me the references to Day's speeches, I will rewrite the article for you. Whether the community will think I fix it enough will have to be be seen. to keep thistogether, fix the articles, answer some of my qys here, and let me know on my talk p. that you have done so.  DGG ( talk ) 14:34, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

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Image problem File:Ica-logo.png
You've replaced the File:Ica-logo.png meant for used on Immigration and Checkpoints Authority with that of Independent Contractors of Australia. These are two entire different entity.

If there is a need, you can instead requesting for a file move (rename) instead of overwriting legitimate file. Thank you. ♠♠ BanëJ ♠♠ (Talk) 03:32, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

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Apology for Inadvertant 3rd Party Access and Rectification with Changed Password
My apologies for that. My account was accessed by a thrid person. I have now changed my password so that it doesn't happen again. Henry Austen (talk) 02:48, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

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Hello, Henry Austen. When making edits such as this one, make sure to use proper reference format. See WP:Citing sources and Citation templates. External links generally should not be in the main text; see WP:External links. Flyer22 (talk) 01:53, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

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You have uploaded images that I am assuming are from Norman Lacy's personal collection? The copyright is normally owned by the photographer, not by the subject. The exception would be if the photographer was in the employ of the subject, in which case the copyright is normally owned by the photographer's employer.

This - File:NormanLacyBasketballer_at_16W200.jpg - looks like it was a team photo and the copyright is probably owned by whatever professional photography company took the picture.

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Response to the Above Comments
I Henry Austen today sent the email, the contents of which are shown here, to the To the Wikipedia Volunteer Response Team

"I hereby affirm that I, Norman Lacy, am the sole owner of the exclusive copyright of the attached photograph files: HamerLacy 200x348.jpg NormanLacyMP.jpg NHL @ ACTF.jpg MeAsISeeMyselfNGV 200x307.jpg NormanLacyBasketballer_at_16W200.jpg

I agree to publish the above-mentioned content under the free license: Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported and GNU Free Documentation License (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts).

I acknowledge that by doing so I grant anyone the right to use the work in a commercial product or otherwise, and to modify it according to their needs, provided that they abide by the terms of the license and any other applicable laws.

I am aware that this agreement is not limited to Wikipedia or related sites.

I am aware that I always retain copyright of my work, and retain the right to be attributed in accordance with the license chosen. Modifications others make to the work will not be claimed to have been made by me.

I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement, and that the content may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project.

Norman Lacy Copyright holder

25 March, 2015"

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Response to the Above Comments
I Henry Austen today sent the email, the contents of which are shown here, to the To the Wikipedia Volunteer Response Team

"I hereby affirm that I, Norman Lacy, am the sole owner of the exclusive copyright of the attached photograph files: NormanLacyPeterBlockW200.jpg NormanLacyDickHamer1977W200.jpg,

I agree to publish the above-mentioned content under the free license: Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported and GNU Free Documentation License (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts).

I acknowledge that by doing so I grant anyone the right to use the work in a commercial product or otherwise, and to modify it according to their needs, provided that they abide by the terms of the license and any other applicable laws.

I am aware that this agreement is not limited to Wikipedia or related sites.

I am aware that I always retain copyright of my work, and retain the right to be attributed in accordance with the license chosen. Modifications others make to the work will not be claimed to have been made by me.

I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement, and that the content may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project.

Norman Lacy Copyright holder

1 November, 2015"
 * ❌ Per this discussion here, it seems like they are copyright violations. Patar knight - chat/contributions 05:47, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

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Edit summaries
Hello. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. I noticed that your recent edit to Norman Lacy did not have an edit summary. You can use the edit summary field to explain your reasoning for an edit, or to provide a description of what the edit changes. Summaries save time for other editors and reduce the chances that your edit will be misunderstood. For some edits, an adequate summary may be quite brief.

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Please provide an edit summary for every edit you make. With a Wikipedia account you can give yourself a reminder to add an edit summary by setting, and then click the "Save" button. Thanks! LibStar (talk) 08:18, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello. I have noticed that you edit without using an edit summary. Please do your best to always fill in the summary field. This helps your fellow editors use their time more productively, rather than spending it unnecessarily scrutinizing and verifying your work. Even a short summary is better than no summary, and summaries are particularly important for large, complex, or potentially controversial edits. To help yourself remember, you may wish to check the "prompt me when entering a blank edit summary" box in your preferences. Thanks! LibStar (talk) 23:15, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I've asked you twice previously to use edit summaries as 99.9% of your edits do not have them. You also mark almost all your edits as minor even though some of your edits are not. Please respond. LibStar (talk) 13:01, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @LibStar Sorry for that. My fault. In part it relates to the definition of what is minor. The definition I work by is if it is not a completely new thought, it is minor. That is if it is just an extension or a correction or an improvement of an existing thought, it is minor. Give me your definition and I will try to accommodate that. The other part is probably laziness on my part. For that I am sorry. 49.176.232.83 (talk) 19:59, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * If you are adding or removing text/citations then it is not minor. LibStar (talk) 11:19, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. What else is not minor? Henry Austen (talk) 03:50, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Please read Help:Minor edit. LibStar (talk) 11:36, 4 January 2024 (UTC)