User talk:Herbert Arthur

 Welcome

Hi ! welcome to Wikipedia!

Be bold in editing pages and don't let others scare you off! To sign your posts (for eg. on talk pages) use  ~  (four tildes). This will insert your name and timestamp.

I hope you stick around and keep contributing to Wikipedia. Drop us a note at New user log. If you need help, you can drop a note on my talk page or use New contributors' help page. You can also type   on your user page, and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Hope you enjoy contributing to Wikipedia! User:Rock2e Talk - Contribs 14:59, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, when they vandalise after their final warning then report them at WP:AIV, and admin will then block them, you may want to check their block log first, to do this, click on User Contributions, then block log at the top under the title of the page.--User:Rock2e Talk - Contribs 17:13, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Dated cleanup tags
Hi, thanks for your message, SmackBot does not generally add tags, but merely dates those that are already there. Regards,
 * P.S. I will look at the article anyway. Rich Farmbrough, 08:04 9 October 2007 (GMT).

Well it's simple really.


 * 1) Don't reply on SmackBot's page, you stop the bot.
 * 2) Look at this diff. You will see AB adding the template. USer:SmackBot adds the date.  I edit it and notice there are no references.  Same thing happens.

FWIW it looks probably notable to me.

Regards Rich Farmbrough, 16:15 9 October 2007 (GMT).

Notability, COI
Herbert, you're not supposed to edit articles about organizations and shows you're closely linked to. See our Conflict of Interest Guideline.

As for notability, your show may be notable, but you have to prove it. Take a look at the Notability Guideline to see our rules. If your show is really notable, this should be easy -- just stick links to the proof on the talk page at Talk:The Wild Wild Westmar Show (as long as you're not obnoxious, it's OK to add to the talk pages of articles where you have a COI -- just not the article pages themselves).

That guideline is pretty picky about what's acceptable as a reference when establishing notability.

I hope this helps. -- A. B. (talk) 18:55, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

WP:CIVIL
Stop making personal attacks, or you will be blocked. Read WP:CIVIL. I am not kidding. No one has made up their minds; notice that every comment has just been a comment, and not a (non)vote for deletion. Many, many articles are put up for deletion and are kept. Your throwing a tantrum in no way makes it more likely that the article will remain and demonstrates a real lack of understanding of wikipedia. I'm sympathetic to the problem of finding sources for a radio show, but if the show is widely known and notable, you should be able to find some. This is hardly the only radio show on wikipedia. At least you could make some cogent argument for notability, rather than insulting other editors. bikeable (talk) 18:42, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

The Wild Wild Westmar Show
Hi Herbert. I want to apologize for the way the AfD turned into such a nasty one sided fest. I'm much to blame for wading in with the nomination before even speaking to you 1-on-1 and I apologize. Yesterday evening I looked at the history of the WWWS article and saw how much effort you'd put into - and felt incredibly bad about how dismissive my edits were. I wish I could take back the nomination and approach it differently, unfortunately once these things have other opinions in them, withdrawing them to allow more time or to look for other solutions isn't really acceptable.

I understand if you don't want to have much to do with Wikipedia after this experience. But if there is still a spark of interest I have a couple of suggestions for you. Ask (or I can ask this if you prefer) that the closing admin of the AfD "userfy" the article (that is move it into your userspace), so you don't lose the work that was put into it and you have it available should anything change (admins aren't obliged to do this, but often will). Also since you've started looking at some of the other articles on shows like WWWS and are finding there are other editors with an interest in the subject area and you have noticed this might be an area that Wikipedia is failing to cover well because of preconceived ideas that don't reflect the reality of the subculture - you might consider trying to get folks together to start a WikiProject on community radio. That would be a good place to start thinking outside the box about what would be appropriate standards and evidence of notability for the field. It wouldn't necessarily result in standards that WWWS would pass, but it might. What it could do is create a place for Wikipedians who share a passion for this to provide some support for each other and build up the coverage on Wikipedia as a whole.

It's just a suggestion. Again, I'm really very sorry for the way the nomination deteriorated, and particularly for my part in it. -- SiobhanHansa 19:39, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Your message got to me just fine. That's the standard way to respond, though some people respond wherever the first message is left.  I have posted on the AfD about userfying, and I'll keep an eye on the closure and follow up if necessary.   For a little bit of Wikiquette that will make you look like a more wordly, experienced editor(!), "sign" posts you leave on any talk age by typing four tildes (~) at the end - that makes the software automatically append your signature with a date and time stamp (a pretty inaccurate time stamp, but still, it's expected). -- SiobhanHansa 20:58, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Herbert, KrakatoaKatie closed the AfD stating she would be happy to provide the article to anyone who asked. You should post a message at the bottom of her talk page to get it put into your userspace. -- SiobhanHansa 22:54, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * ... and that's just what I've done. You can find it at User:Herbert Arthur/Wild Wild Westmar. I've removed all the templates and categories from the article; please do not add more maintenance templates or categories while it's in your user space, as tags and cats aren't used in user space.
 * When you've finished working on it (meaning you have added more sources to establish its notability), use the move function to move the page to Wild Wild Westmar Show (no 'the' is necessary). You could also ask me or SiobhanHansa to move it for you. Don't do it until it's improved, though, because we have a special policy for speedy deletion of recreated material. The new article needs to be substantially different from the deleted version or it won't last long in the mainspace, and much Wikidrama will ensue for no good reason. Let us know if you have questions or need help. Happy editing – Krakatoa  Katie  21:19, 18 October 2007 (UTC)