User talk:Here12

About Ryukyu Islands.
Hello Ryulong,

Here is the original message you sent to me:

The Ryukyu Islands are sovereign territory of Japan, and have been that way since the Tokugawa shogunate conquered the Ryukyu Kingdom in the late 19th century. They have never been governed by any entity calling itself China. Do not place false information on articles, again.—Ryulong (竜龙) 19:36, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

According the message you sent me, I believe you agree that Japan didn't occupy Ryukyu Islands until the late 19th century. In that case, you cannot say Ryukyu Islands is Ancient Japan's Southern Islands on wikipedia. Since you graduated from University of Miami in Chemistry and minor in Anthropology, I believe you have a good education background. You should know late 19th century is Modern history.

Just as I mentioned in my edit, Ryukyu Islands used to be a vassal state of China in Ancient times. A lot of Chinese were sent to Ryukyu Islands in 14th century so as to help them develop their industry. Those people lived in Ryukyu afterwards. Even the ancestor of current govenor of Okinawa was from Fujian, China in ancient times. In ancient times, people in Ryukyu used Chinese language and currency. That is what you should learn from history. You can still see Chinese characters and Ryukyu history in Chinese in Ryukyu's museums.

Also, the Potsdam Declaration, Cairo Declaration, and San Francisco Conference are objective historical events. I referred to them based on objective judgement. Why did you delete them? You have never learned them or you are afriad to admit them?

I just put the objective history on wikipedia. On the contrary, what you put on wikipedia even has conflict with what you said. Please do not put false information on the public place. You should tell yourself this.

I send you this message assuming you have enough education and knowledge to understand it. If you cannot understand, we probably should find some other ways to settle this.

Just a reminder, objective history won't be altered by your constant editting of a wikipedia article. Thank you!


 * The article on the "Ryukyu Islands" covers more than Okinawa Prefecture. We no longer have an individual article on the islands that comprised the former Ryukyu Kingdom, so this covers what is known as the "Nansei Islands" in Japan. Either way, a more indepth coverage of history of the Ryukyu Islands is given its own page at History of the Ryukyu Islands. The article Ryukyu Islands concerns the geography of the chain and ethnography of the name.


 * The section you removed titled "Ancient Japan's Southern Islands" was actually in no way about the former territories of the Ryukyu Kingdom, but was instead about the Osumi, Tokara, and Amami subchains. You had no reason to remove this section from the article, other than in your pisspoor attempts to enforce a Chinese nationalist viewpoint upon the page.


 * Your other edits to the page are completely unsourced and are solely based on your Chinese nationalist interpretations of the Treaty of Shimonoseki, Cairo Declaration, and Potsdam Declarations. You are right that the old Chinese Empire and later Republic of China had economic ties to the Ryukyu Kingdom, but this gives you absolutely no right to remove half of the page to satisfy your Chinese viewpoint. As far as the English Wikipedia is concerned, China has no modern sovereign claims to the islands of Kagoshima and Okinawa Prefectures, because they are most definitely included amongst the "minor islands" of the Potsdam Declaration, and nor are they included amongst the "territories which [Japan] has taken by violence and greed" in the Cairo Declaration. And anyway, neither of those documents were actually treaties concerning the end of the war in the Pacific Rim, and Japan occupied the Ryukyus for nearly a century before Japan conquered Manchuria, Taiwan, and the like because they had already been incorporated into the Japanese nation since time and memoriam.


 * So, kind sir, do not edit Wikipedia to put in an undue weight on a nationalistic viewpoint that is not held by the world at large. I am well aware that the PRC government is staking a claim on Okinawa, and I will not have a neutrally written article on the geography of the chain be skewed by the actions of Chinese nationalist editor such as yourself.— Ryulong ( 竜龙 ) 05:04, 24 July 2012 (UTC)