User talk:Herman Gelens

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Your submission at Articles for creation
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Your submission at Articles for creation
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Your submission at Articles for creation
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Hi there
Hi there Herman, and welcome to Wikipedia. :) I've seen you message here and have replied to it. Cheers,  Nolelover   Talk · Contribs  14:09, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation
 Erik Bosgraaf, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created. The article has been assessed as Start-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article. You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. Note that because you are a logged-in user, you can create articles yourself, and don't have to post a request. However, you are more than welcome to continue submitting work to Articles for Creation. Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia!  Nolelover   Talk · Contribs  16:12, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
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Recent work at Erik Bosgraaf
Hi Herman Gelens. This is WP:Plagiarism, and we can't accept it at Wikipedia. Phil wink (talk) 04:03, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Plagiarism
As chairman of the Abrikoos Foundation supporting Erik Bosgraaf I feel fully entitled to edit his Wikipedia pages in a couple of languages, completely with Erik's consent and to his wishes. The foundation is established in the Netherlands under kvk nr 51999781 (kvk.nl).


 * Thanks for your response.
 * Some preliminaries:
 * Wikipedians like to keep conversations together, so normally we will add a response directly under the text it is responding to (instead of beginning a new section), indented with a colon at the front (as this response is... onscreen you'll see it indented, but if you edit the source code, you'll see the initial colon indicating "indent me" -- in this line, there's also a "*" in the code which signals the bullet). Then a further response can be indented further by starting with 2 colons. Eventually, too many levels of indentation can get ridiculous, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it!
 * We also like it if you sign your messages on Talk pages (not, of course, on main article pages). After each message, you can enter 4 tildes and when you save your changes, they will automatically transform into your dated signature.
 * You are entitled to edit Erik Bosgraaf because Wikipedia is "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit". Editors here don't really have independent authority; we are all only as good as our edits. In fact, you will find that your relationship with Bosgraaf makes you somewhat less entitled to edit this article. More on that below.
 * This is why I'm about to throw a bunch of links at you: please don't take this as an attack, or as an attempt to silence you with as many obscure "laws" as I can find. Like you, I'm just an editor, and there's no reason you should take what I say on faith. Also, I haven't done much work in the particular areas germane to your situation, so it's better that you read these considered and collective guidelines for yourself.
 * Some guidelines
 * Since you seem to have a business interest in promoting Mr. Bosgraaf, you likely have a WP:Conflict of interest and may need to make a WP:Paid-contribution disclosure. You may want to review WP:SOAP, particularly #4 & #5.
 * You should note that your ability to provide the requisite WP:Neutral point of view is further called into question because this is plainly a WP:Single-purpose account.
 * An editor's credentials do not speak to whether their edits are WP:Plagiarism. This edit was plainly copied directly from this site without even an attempt at attribution. This is a copyright violation. There are ways that owners of copyrights (evidently Bosgraaf himself in this case) can release their work to Wikipedia (though I'm not familiar with the process). But not via the assertion of an editor.
 * However, even if Bosgraaf sent in the appropriate documentation, the edit would still be highly problematic. First, the text would still have to be attributed to its source. Second, the fact that an advocate of a subject can find no better sources for his subject than that subject's own self-published website virtually guarantees that the subject himself is not notable (see WP:BIO, also WP:SELFPUB, especially #5). Articles on non-notable subjects will be deleted. Finally, because the text you used sounds in many places like advertising copy and plainly contains WP:PUFF, even if it is referenced as a source, many portions of it could never be copied verbatim.
 * Virtually all the above objections can be eliminated by using and citing WP:Reliable sources.
 * It can actually be very challenging for people in your position to make constructive edits at Wikipedia, but it can be done. In fact, I hope you do. We need editors interested in the arts and artists here, especially multilingual editors as you seem to be. At the moment, I think you're going down a bad path, but this can quickly be put right, if you're WP:Here to build an encyclopedia. Cheers.Phil wink (talk) 02:04, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Artist, no business interest
Sorry, this kind of foundation has no business interest at all, only artist support. If there is any particular passage you like to be deleted, that can be managed, of course. But remember that with an artist of the stature of Erik Bosgraaf any positive information can look like a commercial. Here in The Netherlands he is considered to be the new Frans Brüggen. Wikipedia is not to be compared with personal web pages, but I do my best to keep the Wiki pages actual.