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George Town, Penang
Hello, Jaka. This is not a sock puppet account. I am merely adding concrete information to the article Georgetown, Penang. As you may have noticed, there are adequate references to the info. Start a discussion ? Why the need to start a discussion just to edit your work ? This is Wikipedia, right ? So you should accept that when your work has flaws, others can edit your work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buonkee (talk • contribs) 02:06, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Do not tried to hiding your sock behaviour here. Your edits was exactly same with what the Polopaladin has tried to write in the past and I know it was you. The article is currently undergoing GA nomination with most of the citation and writing style have been fixed. And now you are continue to return to the last version with those large bared citation links. Your behaviour are totally disruptive. You are welcomed to make some fix, but to change the whole article content that have been fixed just to pressed your own view is totally unnecessary. Herman Jaka (talk) 02:31, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, won't you mind to take a look on other Malaysian cities and towns articles that have achieving GA status like Kuala Terengganu, Kuching, Miri, Kota Kinabalu, Johor Bahru, Sibu, Bintulu, Tawau and Sandakan. Take a thorough look into these articles and you will see there is no kind of bared citation links with those messed paragraph. Your behaviour are clearly just making any foreigners that want to promote your city on Wikipedia become fed-up and I won't be surprised if there is no more editors want to develop your state articles into GA status with this kind of behaviour. Herman Jaka (talk) 02:46, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Ok. Since you want a discussion, let me point out to you every single bit of info you provided.

-northeastern corner of the island vs northeastern tip of the island. any difference ?

-The metropolitan area (which consists of Jelutong, Sungai Pinang, Sungai Nibong, Gelugor, Air Itam, Tanjung Bungah and Tanjung Tokong) has a population of 2.5 million.

Now the population of the WHOLE Penang Island is only 1.5 million. Are you forgetting the fact that the Penang Conurbation includes towns in Seberang Prai and Kedah as well ?

-There is unnecessary load of history at the beginning of your article, whereas the introduction should be more concise.

-Today, George Town is well known for its unique street foods, culture and heritage as well with its position as a medical tourism hub with many patients from neighbouring Sumatra in Indonesia frequently visiting the city to undergoing treatment.

Nothing wrong with that, except that you seem to focus on patients from neighbouring Sumatra. How about patients from other countries like Singapore and Thailand ? And Indonesian patients only come from Sumatra ?

-You seem to leave out some crucial bits of history, such as the inclusion of Penang into the Straits Settlements. This had an impact on the history of the port of Penang.

-You also didn't separate your points properly into separate paragraphs. Do you need help on that ?

-Nevertheless, when the Federation of Malaya, together with North Borneo, Sarawak and Singapore formed the Federation of Malaysia in 1963, the city generally enjoyed rapid economic growth, especially in important new industries such as electronics.

Let me point out to you that the electronics sector is located in BAYAN LEPAS, not George Town. Technically speaking, Bayan Lepas is not yet a part of George Town.

If anything, the establishment of the electronics sector in Bayan Lepas also led to some negative effects on George Town, such as the declining population of the city centre.

-George Town was maintained as the state capital of Penang.

Are you saying that there was a proposal to shift the capital of Penang ?

-When the George Town City Council was merged with the Penang Rural District Council to form a local government management board in 1974, the city lost its status as a sister city.

Sister city ?

-There are six members of parliament (MPs) representing the six parliamentary constituencies in the city as well for the whole island: Bukit Bendera (P.48), Tanjong (P.49), Jelutong (P.50), Bukit Gelugor (P.51), Bayan Baru (P.52) and Balik Pulau (P.53).

Again, are you sure that George Town covers the WHOLE Penang Island ?

-George Town people are commonly referred to as "George Townians".[7] The terms "G-Towns" and "G.T-ians" have also been used to a limited extent.

George Townians ? Sounds like a mouthful. It is NEVER in use, and even for a Penangite like me, this term is unheard of. Just go to Penang and ask around if anyone recognises the term.

-In 2010, the census saw an increase with the population standing at 500,000.

For an updated census of George Town, please refer to the Penang Institute website.

-English has been the main language for the city community during the British colonial before being changed back to Malay after the formation of Malaysia. Today, Malay is the main language that connecting every different ethnic backgrounds in George Town, with the city Malay was strongly influenced by Tamil speakers; especially for the Jawi Peranakan, it remains distinctly different from the Malay in the southern Malay Peninsula.

Your laughable grammar aside, many Penangites still use English. You really should go out to the streets more often instead of being cooped up in your room somewhere.

-However, young people are more interested in speaking English and English-Tamil mixture macaronic language, Tanglish.

Tanglish ? There is such a term ?

Did you mean ALL young people in George Town, including the Malays and Chinese ?

-English has been the main language for the city community during the British colonial before being changed back to Malay after the formation of Malaysia. Today, Malay is the main language that connecting every different ethnic backgrounds in George Town, with the city Malay was strongly influenced by Tamil speakers; especially for the Jawi Peranakan, it remains distinctly different from the Malay in the southern Malay Peninsula. As the Chinese majority in the city are mainly Hoklo people, the city also has an own variation of Hokkien language called the Penang Hokkien. While the main language spoken by Indian community is Malaysian Tamil dialect of Tamil language in addition to the country's official and national language Malaysian (English is also widely spoken and understood). Besides Tamil, Urdu is also spoken by a small number of Indian Muslims and Telugu as well as Punjabi is also spoken by ethnic Telugu and Punjabi community. However, young people are more interested in speaking English and English-Tamil mixture macaronic language, Tanglish. Ethnic Jawi Peranakan, a Muslim creole ethnic group of mixed Indian, Malay and Arab ancestry with predominantly Indian origin mostly use Malay as their first language in addition to English. Another distinct group of Indian Muslims known as Mamak use the Penang Malay (northern slang) variant as their first and daily language.

Looks like you are focusing on one particular ethnic group. There are many other ethnic groups in George Town, mind you.

-Most of the patients are come from Sumatra in Indonesia, with the sector have generating about 70% of the country medical tourism revenue.

This doesn't seem to be a credible information. Besides, are you suggesting that only patients from Sumatra contributed to the medical tourism revenue ? How about other parts of Indonesia ? or neighbouring countries like Singapore and Thailand ?

-In addition, secondary-based industry of manufacturing also take a presence with the city became the hub for electric and electronics manufacturing.

Again, manufacturing and economics are mostly located in Bayan Lepas to the south, not in George Town proper.

-The city high court complex is located along Light Highway, along with the Sessions and Magistrate Courts. While a court for Sharia law is located on Batu Gantung Road. The Penang Police Contingent Headquarters is located on Penang Road, together with the North East District police headquarters.

Light Highway ? Have you seen Light Street before ?

The Northeast District Police Headquarters is not the same as the one at Penang Road; it is at Datuk Keramat Road. Please get your facts right.

There are several other issues about your article, but let me get it straight. This is Wikipedia. You do not own this article. When your 'facts' need correcting, just accept it. Don't twist and turn. I am not pressing my own view, I am just making some facts right. Clearly it is you who is pressing your point of view on others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buonkee (talk • contribs) 02:49, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your tips, but do you understand exactly what the GA nomination process is? There is where the section your asked for correction will be corrected once a reviewer start to review the article. And rather than you remove the whole article content with a large addition of bared citation links is totally uncalled for. You said there is 'unnecessary load of historical context in the beginning of article', that section must be stay per other articles that have achieved GA status. You are now accuse me of pressing my own view to the article, let me told you that anyone did not own the article, but your persistent disruptive edits and breaching socks is totally unwelcomed. Herman Jaka (talk) 03:04, 26 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you ? You didn't even make corrections ! And if you read what I editted, I still retain some of your info. How was it that I am pressing my own view when it is clearly you who is pressing your own agenda and your own incorrect views ? anyone did not own the article and your persistent disruptive edits are totally unwelcome. Once again, I am standing up for the truth.

You should probably go back to Indonesia instead of interfering in another country's facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buonkee (talk • contribs) 06:34, 26 April 2016 (UTC)


 * "You didn't even make corrections?" - For what I'm doing it now?? Didn't I have said that all the issues will be fixed during the nomination process? Wow, so surprised with your "racist statement" directed towards me. Seems you will get a more heavier penalty for your personal attacks. Herman Jaka (talk) 08:23, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

a process you nominated ? what a joke. racist ? please get your facts right ! I am not being racist. I am a Malaysian, so I should know more about Malaysia than you do. That's all. Calling me racist is uncalled for when I never provoke your race personal attacks. Please leave this Malaysian article alone. Full stop. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buonkee (talk • contribs) 09:01, 26 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Since when I said "a process I nominated"?? Get your facts right, you are so misunderstood. "I am a Malaysian, so I should know more about Malaysia than you do" - Very rude statement, no one cares you are a Malaysian or not. Wikipedia is contributed by various races from the world. By saying you are know everything about Malaysia just showing how rude you are. Herman Jaka (talk) 09:11, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Oh ? Then what is this ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_nominations

I didn't say I know 'everything' about Malaysia. I am only saying I should know more about Malaysia than you do. And especially when it comes to Penang. By the way, your actions suggest that you are the one being rude. Wikipedia is contributed by various races from the world, correct ? So it's not just you alone who should own the article.

I also notice you have been editting other Malaysian cities too like Kuching, Kota Kinabalu and Johor Bahru. If you want to edit everything in Malaysia to your whims and fancies, go ahead. But don't be rude when others want to correct your mistakes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buonkee (talk • contribs) 09:19, 26 April 2016 (UTC)


 * So what is the connection with those articles I nominate for GA with being rude? Ah, see you are going to twisting your words even when everyone sees you are wrong. I did not have any problems editing those articles. But when I'm start to editing Penang articles, there is much problem with you! Are Penangite are a very racist peoples? Especially its Chinese?? No wonder your own country media even said like that. Herman Jaka (talk) 09:32, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

With you, there is a connection. Just because you nominate articles for GA, does it mean your version is the only correct version ? Others cannot edit 'your' article ?

See ? Thanks for showing your speculative racist attacks to everyone. What makes you think I am Chinese ? Have you seen me before ? Judging from where you come from, I won't be surprised of your attitude. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buonkee (talk • contribs) 09:45, 26 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Who said that it is 'my article'?? Arguing with you especially with this typical racist mind is such a waste. Thanks for showing? Haha, I did not said it but your own country media who wrote it. Again, you are detected with such racist words. Do you think every Indonesians have a bad attitude, while Malaysian are clean in everything? Herman Jaka (talk) 09:51, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Your actions suggest like this is your article. Same here. Arguing with you especially with this typical racist mind is such a waste.

So ? Does it mean you are a qualified political analyst now ? You simply cherry-pick any article from any country to prove what ? What racist words did I say ? Did I say all Indonesians have bad attitudes ? Did I say all Malaysians are clean ? I can see it is unfortunate what you are doing now is merely more racism. Sad on you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buonkee (talk • contribs) 09:56, 26 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Funny on me but the funny goes to you back. Loser. Herman Jaka (talk) 10:00, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

April 2016
Your recent editing history at George Town, Penang shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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Question
Can you point to the checkuser confirmation referenced here?  Tide  rolls  12:30, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I've reverted your addition of the checkuser confirmed tag as there is no such confirmation. Please do not add the checkuser tag in future; that communicates special terms to admins that only apply when a checkuser is involved.   Tide  rolls  17:51, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Deletion on posts on Kuala Lumpur
I would appreciate if you could explain your comments ("Vandalism") on my edits on "Kuala Lumpur."

The articles as posted by me are related directly to the topic on the city of Kuala Lumpur, as cited online from major newspapers websites. You however accused me of vandalism, which I would like to believe I did not and disputed your nonsensical arguments. On which points in my posts in "Kuala Lumpur" are the contents (and sourced) in dispute, as you had claimed? I would appreciate your factual disputes, especially since the edits are reliably referenced online from Reuters, CNN, Huffington Post Canada and several major Malaysian national media websites?

On what basis did I "vandalize" Wikipedia when you posted "This is your only warning; if you vandalize Wikipedia again, as you did at Kuala Lumpur, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Herman Jaka (talk) 05:06, 17 May 2016 (UTC)"? Escravoes (talk) 21:03, 17 May 2016 (UTC) — Preceding comment added by Escravoes (talk • contribs)


 * Your content addition is no relevance at all. Please, rather than make a bunch of nonsense criticism who been made by some tourism website ratings doesn't mean it should be added there. I have see all of your contribution and all of that was reverted for the same reason. Content must be based on encyclopedic view and not just on those bullshit views that is really not neutral. Herman Jaka (talk) 05:28, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Malacca City
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Your GA nomination of Malacca City
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Seri Rambai
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