User talk:Hermanjones66

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Hello, Hermanjones66, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions, especially what you did for Matthew Naythons. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes ( ~ ); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place  before the question. Again, welcome! Drmies (talk) 14:31, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
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I have no idea whether I'm doing this correctly (leaving a message). . . at any rate, assuming I am leaving a message it is this - Greetings on the New Year - I've gone in and corrected a few edits, and rewritten the led to reflect the subjects multiple professions - American physician, publisher and photographer - leaving the NGO until the end. I know the subject, and can contact him if any items   come up for which he has info. Again I'm new to all of this, intend to get more involved with Bay Area personalities or journalist bios. Are all discussions public or are some private between volunteer editors? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hermanjones66 (talk • contribs)
 * Discussions are public; discussions on article topics usually take place on article talk pages. But I'd like to give a few pointers. I've undid some edits, again. In the opening sentence, for instance, the most important characteristic for which the subject (since this is a biography) is known, and that's photography. That he also had a job as an EMT is irrelevant in the lead; moreover, it is unverified in the article (as far as I could tell). Stuff like the yacht club he belongs to is trivial: WP biographies are not resumes. Rather than adding more unverified things (or asking the subject--it's best to leave him out of it), you'd do better focusing on improving the sources for the statements in the article (please see WP:RS and WP:CITE), that's the most important part right now. Looking at a decent, established biography might be useful--see Nina Totenberg, for instance. Good luck, and drop me a line (on my talk page) if I can help. Drmies (talk) 18:46, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Interesting points - however, he is actually known today as much for his publishing (Publisher) as his photojournalism. At one point, I'll list all of the books he has published, including a book he co-authored entitled "There is still a person in there" . Agreed it's not a resume, but the universe of physicians (not EMTs) that alternate a career as a photojournalist must be rather unique. And I see that you've again placed him in Prague photographing the invasion two weeks ahead of the invasion )which would be an interesting bit of time travel (but surely  result in sought-after photos ;-) And you placed Epicenter in the past tense (created) versus present tense - creates. Since you can clearly edit better than I can, here is a link for a list of all of his books - perhaps you can list them in a separate section - http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=naythons&x=0&y=0 How do I drop you a line on your talk page . . lwhat time zone are you in? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hermanjones66 (talk • contribs)
 * A few things: I corrected the Prague thing, thanks. I've added wikilinks for various events and places, and tweaked the lead a little bit (see my edit summary also). It may be odd for someone to be an EMT and a journalist at the same time, but that's not really relevant until it's written about in reliable sources. That lack of sources remains the biggest problem. I'll look at that Epicenter mention. Finally, a complete list of his publications is not really what we're after, though it is not against the rules, but more important is whether these books are notable or not, and only secondary sources (in this case, reviews, for instance) can establish that. If a tree falls and no one writes up the story, Wikipedia doesn't care. Timezone? Dunno--not so relevant. Click on "talk" behind my signature. Which reminds me: use four tildes to sign your name after a message. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 19:23, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

The true drive in life is not for food, nor for water, nor for sex - the true drive in life is the drive to edit someone elses copy :-) Having said that, your led is good. When i click on "talk" behind your signature I get a long list - where does the comment go?  Do I add it at the bottom? Remind me what four tildes look like . . .I like Nina Totenberg's page - I notice that she has a section on her family, husband etc. .. Unless you want to, I can go back and add that in from what you deleted - it is as relevant here as it is to Totenberg's page - similarly you deleted the section on education and on an honorary doctorate (which was appropriately referenced) - that is all verifiable and adds texture to the page. . . texture and facts are, as i understand, part of the spirit of creating interesting (not hyped or promotional) pages - BTW, an EMT is an Emergency Medical Technician . . .the subject is a Medical Doctor (MD)
 * Aren't EMTs the ones who ride in ambulances? You can add or restore whatever you like, but it needs to be referenced properly, according to the guidelines at WP:BLP, since this is a biography of a living person. Again, things are only relevant here if they are properly verified. (Yes, new comments go at the bottom.) Good luck, Drmies (talk) 20:13, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Yep, EMTs ride in ambulances. . . I'll go back in my free time and add back some of the personal stuff referenced (i get it!) - obviously somethings can't be referenced short of online marriage, veterinarian and birth databases (wives, dogs, kids).

Question: Do you, perchance, have a copy of the Page that existed last evening before your edits? I'd like to see it -even as a PDF, as a reference for the research I had done (and is now gone). . . .lesson learned!
 * Well, leave the wife and dog and kids out... If you click on the history tab, top right above the screen, you'll see all the individual edits. Clicking on the date gives you that particular version. Clicking on "prev" for a particular entry gives you the changes made in that edit. Nothing is ever gone here. Drmies (talk) 21:00, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Leave out the dogs? Is nothing sacred?

Seriously, you use the term "rifle-butted" which is not a term that exists and reads a bit odd. To describe the incident properly (as written in TIME) you should edit, "struck by a government soldier's rifle in Managua, Nicaragua" -
 * OK, I don't want to get too nit-picky. "Naythons was slugged with a rifle butt," according to the TIME article. First, if you don't like the wording, change it--well, you did. Second, there is ample precedent, see this and this. Third, the article doesn't say he was not hurt, which kind of begs the question of how you know he wasn't hurt. But I will leave this be. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 05:49, 11 January 2011 (UTC)