User talk:Herodias11

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Hello, Herodias11, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, such as Herodias (band), may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines, and may soon be deleted.

There's a page about creating articles you may want to read called Your first article. If you are stuck, and looking for help, please come to the New contributors' help page, where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have! Or, you can just type helpme on this page, followed by your question, and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Here are a few other good links for newcomers: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes ( ~ ); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions, check out Questions or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! Rorshacma (talk) 16:09, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
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Speedy deletion nomination of Herodias (band)


A tag has been placed on Herodias (band) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person, organization (band, club, company, etc.) or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. Rorshacma (talk) 16:09, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of The Roccos


A tag has been placed on The Roccos, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia for multiple reasons. Please see the page to see the reasons. If the page has since been deleted, you can ask me the reasons by leaving a message on my user talk page.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 16:30, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Response to your post
Hey, Herodias, I was typing out a reply to you, but the page got deleted in the meantime.

I don't doubt that your intentions are good with this, but the article was still a copyright violation. It was a direct copy-paste of the copyrighted content of the webpage ; this makes it a copyright violation regardless of your intent. The thing is that all text on Wikipedia (other than brief quotations, which this was not) must be released under terms compatible with Wikipedia's license; that is, the CC-BY-SA license. The content from theroccos.net wasn't released under these terms, so the article wasn't acceptable.

I'd like to apologize if I seem to be bullying you; that's not at all my intention. The thing is that copyright violations are one of the few things that can get Wikipedia itself into trouble, so it's necessary for us to take an extremely cautious view about it. The CSD process can feel impersonal, but it's sometimes a necessary evil. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask me about them on my talk page; I'd be happy to explain in more depth. Thanks, Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 17:23, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Your recent edits
Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126; ) at the end of your comment. You could also click on the signature button or  located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when they said it. Thank you. --SineBot (talk) 17:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Who actually fills the content of Wikipedia?
Hiya, Herodias. I'd like to add that Wikipedia does pretty much depend on the public. There aren't exactly "jobs" here. It is up to you, myself and everyone else to create and maintain articles. Now, while your article(s) was/were deleted, don't get discouraged. If you need help, ask for it. There are literally too many policies for any newcomer to learn. This doesn't mean that you can't (or shouldn't) contribute. It just means that you have to be a bit careful about what you contribute. Gorgak25 (talk) 17:31, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Forget this. Unlike real encyclopedias, you rely on the public for your content, but crack the whip at every turn. I was accused of "blatantly" violating copyright... on my first day. At least people don't have to pay for this... what a waste of my time.

Sigh. I'm sorry you feel this way. But here: this might help understand the basics of Wikipedia. This is (apart from protected pages) a public encyclopedia. It's constantly changing and growing. The thing is, even if an admin did delete your page for copyright infringement, it doesn't matter. That doesn't mean you can't have a page for the topic. It just means you need to be more careful. You are obviously welcome to leave but like I said, it's a free encyclopedia that depends on millions of people giving up their time to make it work. Gorgak25 (talk) 17:53, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Sigh, lol? Sure, I'm the problem (not this needlessly confusing website with it's endless red tape and unprofessional attacks on ignorant newbies). I'm sure I'm even doing this part wrong. No worries...

Yes, I'm pretty sure you get a message indicating the basic policies when you create an account. (though if I'm wrong, my apologies). You weren't attacked and granted, this can be confused, it's easy enough once you learn the basics. But no, you're not doing anything wrong (unless you want to me be annoying ;) ) in which case you really should "sign" your posts. But it's nowhere near a necessity.


 * I'm sorry you felt that my deletion tagging was an attack, but I assure you, it wasn't. As I said, copying text word-for-word from a copyrighted source is a copyright violation.  I know you did it in good faith, but it's still a copyright violation, and since copyright violations are something that Wikipedia can get into legal trouble for, we have to be proactive about removing them. That's just how it is.
 * Lots of people get their articles deleted; it happens all the time. It's nothing personal.  Nobody will hold it against you, as long as you're willing to learn from your mistakes. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 18:07, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Just to add to that: certain things need to be removed ASAP. Copyright violations are one of them, just like website links to malicious sites. It's not that every article you make will be deleted. But there is a large difference between an article about a band that isn't famous enough to be on Wikipedia and someone starting an article filled with pictures of pornographic images. One would be deleted right away and the other might take more consideration.
 * I'd like to mention that good faith (generally speaking) means that wikipedia editors feel that most edits are made with good intentions. For example, while the article you made might have been (to you) perfectly fine, it contained content against the rules. As stated your article isn't banned but how you formed it and wrote is the issue. Gorgak25 (talk) 18:19, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Willing to learn from my mistakes? Are you my grandfather? What is wrong with you people?! The attack I referred to was you accusing me of BLATANTLY violating copyright. You guys win- you just lose a member (and those I've been talking to online about this bad experience) and you keep rolling out the red tape ;) This is crazy- all I wanted to do was share info about a few respectable bands that weren't on here yet. Clearly not worth the headache. FYI- Google "Wikipedia sucks" and read the endless sea of similar complaints. Wait- website with pics of pornographic images?? Oh, I get it- you're taking a piss at my expense! My posts were deleted without consideration and they had nothing to do with porn... just bands that are known and respected, just not mainstream.


 * I used the word "blatant" in the sense of "obvious", since it was pretty obvious; I didn't mean any personal reflection. But yeah, you did make a mistake. A well-intentioned mistake, but a mistake nonetheless, which needed to be fixed. If you know enough to not make the mistake again, then you've learned from it.  If you haven't, well, see ya.
 * And... yeah, I have no idea what Gorgak is getting at by talking about pornography, either. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 18:33, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Lol- You guys are like the Judean People's Front from Life of Brian. The question isn't whether I will learn from these mistakes, rather is it worth the needless confusion and BS? Well, see ya!

My point was some things like porn would be deleted ASAP (along with copyright violations). But you seem to have made up your point about the website Gorgak25 (talk) 18:44, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not hard. It's a pretty simple rule: don't copy and paste from other things. Use your own words, not someone else's. But, if you can't figure that out, I guess that's all that needs to be said. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 18:52, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Is this what becomes of unemployed English majors? Well, I have learned a few things here today: Wikipedia is a pain in the arse, certain folks here are smug instead of helpful and... in an hour from now, none of this will matter to any of us. Time well spent. Take care, distinguished magistrates and noblemen.

Look to be very blunt: Wikipedia isn't for you. It's a community project. One that requires people to work together. By all means, if you had any questions, you could have gotten answers and gotten the help you needed to contribute. If you do want to contribute and have questions, ask away but insulting people won't get you anywhere and it isn't how Wikipedia works at all. Gorgak25 (talk) 19:02, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

What article talk pages are for.
Article talk pages like this are only for disuccing the article in question. The fact that the article has been deleted means something was "wrong" with it. That could be anything as links to promotional websites or it just being written to appear like an advertisement. The reason you should talk on people's talk page (like I am doing now) is becuase these talk pages are to communicate with users. Gorgak25 (talk) 17:43, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

A bit more explanation
I read what you wrote on the talk pages, but Wikipedia isn't what you think. You wrote: "Since this is a professional encyclopedia, perhaps the public shouldn't be able to do research and provide content at all- that should be YOUR job. " It is not a professional encyclopedia: the content is entirely created and maintained by unpaid volunteers - the Wikipedia community. There is no separate "YOU" whose "job" it should be to write the encyclopedia. You, and anyone who chooses to contribute, are a member of the community. BUT the community has agreed, over ten years and a lot of arguing, on rules and standards to make the result a useful encyclopedia and not just another Myspace full of advertising and self-promotion. That means there is a learning curve, which every new contributor meets, so that you need to take some time to read the advice available, such as the links from the Welcome message at the top of this page. If you read WP:Your first article you will learn a lot about how to make an acceptable article. Four particular points: Don't be discouraged, but read some of the links to learn more. Contributing here is more difficult than sites like Myspace where anyone can write whatever they like, but we think the result is more valuable. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 19:20, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is selective about subjects for articles - they need to have WP:Notability, which is not a matter of opinion but has to be demonstrated by showing "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." The test is, have people unconnected with the subject though it important and significant enough to write substantial comment about? See WP:42 for what that means, and WP:MUSICBIO for the standard for bands and performers.
 * To keep a neutral point of view, and because Wikipedia is very resistant to being used for any sort of promotion, people are strongly discouraged from writing about themselves or their bands or companies or anything they are closely associated with - see Wikipedia is not about YOU.
 * Wikipedia will not accept copied material without a formal copyright release. Below every edit screen it says "Content that violates any copyrights will be deleted." Lots of people would like to censor the Internet, and one of their arguments is the amount of copyright violation that goes on: Wikipedia is not going to give them more ammunition, or lay itself open to legal action, by accepting copied stuff. Just asserting authorship or permission is not enough. It is almost never worth making a copyright release, because what's written for sites like Facebook is almost always too promotional or too "jokey" for a serious encyclopedia article, which needs plain fact backed up by reliable sources. Better to write in your own words.
 * There is an important policy about WP:Biographies of living persons which you should read.

Speedy deletion nomination of Herodias (band)


A tag has been placed on Herodias (band) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person, organization (band, club, company, etc.) or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. Ridernyc (talk) 15:45, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

May 2012
This is your only warning; if you create an inappropriate page again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Ridernyc (talk) 15:46, 24 May 2012 (UTC) Please delete my account or remove all of my content/personal info.