User talk:Herroyalhighnessheatherette

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Speedy deletion nomination of Her royal highness band
A tag has been placed on Her royal highness band requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a band or musician, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for musical topics. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

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June 2010
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This account has been blocked indefinitely from editing Wikipedia because your username, Herroyalhighnessheatherette, does not meet our username policy.

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Real world
Apparently blocked... because the artist I have written about isn't deemed worthy... If someone wants to know about a new pop group the first place they tend to look is here, before even Google. Wiki has a life way beyond its original purpose - it IS a promotional tool, even if there is a pretense that it isn't. Do I get a whiff of snobbery from this blocking process? Well, I suppose I didn't create this online community so why should I assume it's as much for me and the pop music I want to write about as it is for anyone else?

That's 3 points: 1 promotion/info 2 snobbery 3 ownership


 * Sorry, but you have it wrong. First of all, you're not blocked because the artist you have written about is deemed unworthy; you're blocked because your username is also the name of the band you're promoting, and we don't allow usernames that match organizations in that fashion. Second, Wikipedia is not a promotional tool, no matter how much you wish it to be; we regularly purge promotional activity from articles -- if you see promotional material for six-month old bands that have neither released any recordings nor been written up by any reliable sources, please let us know and we'll remove them as well. --jpgordon:==( o ) 19:47, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but you have it wrong. First of all, you're not blocked because the artist you have written about is deemed unworthy; you're blocked because your username is also the name of the band you're promoting, and we don't allow usernames that match organizations in that fashion. Second, Wikipedia is not a promotional tool, no matter how much you wish it to be; we regularly purge promotional activity from articles -- if you see promotional material for six-month old bands that have neither released any recordings nor been written up by any reliable sources, please let us know and we'll remove them as well. --jpgordon

Thanks jpgordon for your response.

I would be more than happy to change the user name - in fact I was in the process of figuring out the slightly complicated processes when the take down notice appeared. Obviously it's not just the user name that's the problem.

Unfortunately I didn't see the six month rule anywhere in the info sections - admittedly I didn't look too hard. Is a pop group not considered to exist until it's written up by a 'reliable source'? Of no interest to anyone until they have a release? Do you have a list of reliable sources? I didn't mention the blog reviews of my friends in the post because I didn't want to take the mick. Would they be reliable sources?

My response was honest in that I acknowledged the obvious fact that this is the first place people go to find out about pop groups - that's not a bad thing, it simply means that Wikipedia is being used for what it was meant in the most basic way. Promotion via Wiki alone is impossible - all it means in this case is that people find accurate info quickly on a subject in which they're interested, which can help overall with promotion - it's part of the PR tools of every record company and to deny that is ridiculous - but it won't help sell any music to anyone, even if a group does have a release.

If your criteria is applied thoroughly then most of the Wiki posts of current groups or artists with material to sell should be purged. How often do you see a thoroughly critical appraisal of a current pop artist?

In the case of this group, there is a small amount of interest that will grow as the group grows. Objectively, I can't see why they shouldn't appear on Wikipedia to satisfy the curiosity of anyone who might be interested. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.44.254 (talk) 21:17, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Here's the policy pertaining to whether bands get Wikipedia entries: WP:BAND. Regardless of all you've said, your band doesn't appear to me to meet any of the requirements; am I missing something? --jpgordon:==( o ) 21:59, 6 June 2010 (UTC)