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Who was Benjamin Pine, and how can he have been "officially" Governor of WA if he did not take office? Either he was sworn in as Governor or he wasn't. If he wasn't, he can't be on the list. Adam 00:23, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I know what you're saying. Have a look at http://www.ccentre.wa.gov.au/html/prems_govenors/governorshtml/benjaminpine.html and tell me what you think. I think he deserves a place on the list, but perhaps there should be an explanation in parentheses after it. ~

Hi. That account has no edits other than to Changing username, so there's nothing to be done as far as renaming it. Regards  &mdash; Kate Turner | Talk 01:49, 2004 Oct 14 (UTC)

This hinges on what definition of "taking office" we use. If the criterion was the issuing of Letters Patent, then Pine was indeed Governor - but in that case there will presumably other people who were appointed but did not take up their offices, because they died or changed their minds or whatever, and our lists would be full of ghost governors. I think the correct criterion should be taking the oath of office, and thus actually assuming the functions of the office. By that criterion Pine was not Governor. Adam 03:28, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

PS the convention is that I send you a message on your Talk Page, and you reply on my Talk page. Adam 03:28, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hi, Drew. I've moved Professor Gordon Reid to Gordon Reid. We avoid honorary titles such as "Doctor", "Sir", etc, in article titles. Hope that makes sense. Deb 10:53, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Select Committee on Reserves (Reserve 43131) Bill 2003
Thanks mate :) any chance of getting some help on that one? - Ta bu shi da yu 05:26, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Leonora
Hi, Drew. Whilst I can understand your reasoning, I think you have taken the wrong action. It is far more likely that someone would look under "Leonora" searching for the heroine of Fidelio than that they would look there for Leonora, Western Australia, therefore the disambiguation page should stand. As for not having a link, disambiguation pages are not supposed to have any links from articles. Deb 12:44, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Hi again. When I checked the links, I also came across two novels and a film with potential for becoming "Leonora" articles.  Have another look at the disambig page and I think you'll be satisfied. Deb 12:16, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Governors
I agree. Governors are part of the political system but they are not politicians. Perhaps a new "Australian Governors" could be created. Adam 05:56, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

C. Y. O'Connor
Hi Drew, I can see your argument but I'm in two minds about this; if we excluded the overseas-born from all categories of Australian people, where would it leave us? Even some Prime Ministers wouldn't get a guernsey. I doubt that many Irish or NZers have even heard of O'Connor (but I could be wrong). Cheers Grant65 (Talk) 23:38, Jan 17, 2005 (UTC)

David Carnegie
Thanks a bunch. Yeah I went to your user page to get into a dust up about how pessimistic you were, and then your User Page slapped me in the face with its succinctness. :') I thought to myself; well I guess I can't argue with that! What will it take for you to elaborate on it? A bottle of tequila, hehehe. I gotta say your pretty prolific in your local area; keep on fighting the good fight. Cheers. - RoyBoy [ &#8734; ] 02:16, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

23rd PM etc
Drew I know you are trying to be helpful but I am opposed to making any concessions to this anon idiot who insists that Hawke was the 28th PM. If we add such a mysterious footnote to the Hawke article, we will have to add it to every PM article going back to Deakin. We should defend the existing convention and not make concessions to fools, especially anon fools, no matter how persistent they are. Adam 09:43, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Robert Bush
I've responded to your queries on my talk page. I've also tweaked the Robert Bush article myself. I don't know how much you know about 19th century cricket, but if you know a bit about Test matches in the 19th century I'd welcome your comments about that article. My sources are all written from an English perspective, so it could do with a bit of Aussie input to balance it up. Kind regards, jguk 11:06, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Image:Walter James (1863-1943).jpg
Hi Drew,

I noticed the image you uploaded, Image:Walter James (1863-1943).jpg. I wasn't able to find it at. Could you provide a more specific link to the image there? (If you can find it again, and it's still posted there ...)

Thanks, dbenbenn | talk 15:59, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

John Forrest
To be honest, I wasn't aware he was in categories which in turn were in turn in Category:History of Western Australia. But, he is such a prominent figure that I think he deserves a direct entry in there also. I'm quite relaxed about the issue though. (I wouldn't for a minute advocate putting every Premier/MLA/MLC in there, and I do feel strongly about that!).- Ianbrown 02:16, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, Drew
I get very little time to do stuff like explore and set up properly. Thanks for editing up the assorted pages on WestOz that I started.

Leonbrooks 13:39, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

WA electorates
I think you should follow the usage of the WAEC as closely as possible, while not creating titles that will mislead Wikipedia readers. I would suggest Electoral District of Nedlands and Electoral Region of Agricultural. Adam 02:56, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

If I may so, your work on articles about early Western Australian politicians are brilliant - I've been reading them for the last hour. People from this period so often tend to get forgotten about on Wikipedia, but this set of articles makes for a fascinating read. Ambi 13:08, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Drew, would you happen to know where I might be able to find election dates and member lists for the WA Legislative Assembly before 1960? The National Library's collection of member lists seems to only go back that far, as does the AEC website for the election dates. Ambi 07:14, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Any books you could point me in the direction of would be appreciated - I have access to both my uni's libraries and the National Library, so hopefully I should be able to find them over here. Thanks for the election dates - that'll make things easier. Ambi 07:20, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Cricket
Hi, Drew. I have seen you editing articles and categories relating to cricket. I wonder if you would be interested in joining this wikiproject, designed to enhance Wikipedia's cricket coverage. Cheers, Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 19:26, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Land grants in the Swan River Colony
Drew, Great work and really interesting. How could we link to it from inside the History of Western Australia article? It's a bit lost being only in the See also section in Swan River Colony' (as is Bussell family btw. )

It's prompted me to think that there should be an article on the Group Settlement Scheme covering the 1920's land grants scheme in WA.

Ian 13:12, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Electorate naming conventions
Seeing you've been adding articles on Western Australian electorates, this discussion about standardising electorate naming conventions might be of interest to you. I apologise for not mentioning it sooner - I completely forgot about WA. Ambi 10:26, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * What did you want me to do with the Piesse article? I'm a tad confused. Ambi 28 June 2005 15:30 (UTC)


 * Had any more thoughts about what to do with the WA Legislative Council regions? I've been going around formatting, fixing, completing and adding stuff to all the other lists - the WA and Tasmanian Legislative Councils are the only ones that haven't been done yet, because I'm still not sure of what to do about the region names. Ambi 03:53, 10 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Fine by me. I'll be back in Canberra in a few days, so I should be able to pick up a copy too. Ambi 05:22, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

I meant to ask - is there any reason you put the Legislative Council on top of the Assembly in your WA succession box? Ambi 06:52, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Category:Sportspeople of Western Australia
Drew, What do you think is the best way of categorising sportspeople? I'm mainly interested in cricketers, and so I'm wondering if they should be in Category:Sportspeople of Western Australia as well as Category:Western Australia cricketers]], or in one olnly and one category to be a subcategory of the other? - Ian &equiv; talk 03:44, 26 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Drew, I've referred your comment back to User_talk:Sam_Vimes - Ian &equiv; talk 01:33, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Duyfken
Hi Drew. The Duyfken appears to have only navigated/explored the eastern coastline of Cape York Peninsula, so assignment to Category:Exploration of Western Australia might not be accurate. However, at present there doesn't seem to be an equivalent regional subcat of Exploration which fits; do you know of any? --cjllw | TALK  00:02, 2005 July 27 (UTC)

Tom Price, Western Australia
Thank you for correcting me on the Tom Price article. What I thought was accurate information turned out not to be, apologies for that. Courtkittie 03:28, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

RE: User talk:203.166.96.239
Your very welcome. No editor as excellent as you shall be slighted on my watch :)! (Sorry for the late response: for some reason, I didn't recieve a notice of your posting). Happy editting, --Cyberjunkie | Talk 07:58, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

You reverted some important facts from the Bob Carr article. Fuck you. Osamabeenlaughing 01:36, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: Your user page in Category:History of Australia
Thanks Drew... I was mystified about it. Couldn't figure out what was causing it. Forgot I was linking to the History *category* not the article. I had just asked CyberJunkie for some help on it but you were quicker - ta! --Lisa 06:44, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * No fair! I wasn't around...  --Cyberjunkie | Talk 10:17, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

= Re Swan River anything =

Apologies Drew, it would seem the conversation that i started in S R C talk probably should have been held here. I think that one way around the gripe that I have - is perhaps someone might be willing to do a bibliography of 19th century wa history - that links to the heaps of un ref-ed articles? Something like a 'further reading on 19th century wa'. Then, Berryman, Gill and the lesser known but as important items about the early 19th c can see the light? What do you think?vcxlor 05:10, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Just a note, I am not Gill for a start. Nor am I currently Freo (but I was a very long ago Freo person). My historiographical roots come from a mix of UWA, Murdoch and some other complex background issues make me quite touchy about the lack of refs in the wa items.

Also re note in s w c- no need to apologise to me about anything! I was the one in the wrong. My problem is I have allegiances to pulling the very poor west coast tasmania, and southern central java areas in wiki up to some sort of personal mission, i am a bit scratchy on some of the more obscure aspects of wa history... Oh by the way are you aware of Horgan's Hungry Six Families of Adelaide Terrace (Hamersleys et al included of course) - I think we need to tackle that one!!!vcxlor 05:17, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Re the Six Hungry families - I have a neighbour with serious health problems because of the ancestors all being part of this mob, and their tendency to inter-marry a little too much! I mean we only have to see how small perth was (one of my favourite hobbyhorses, some other time not now) and how small the gene pool was in the 'ruling classes' as they thought of themselves - because of the isolation, and the low level of extra outsider input until the gold rushes and then post second world war immigrants, that I believe there are some very hard to track down sources (no direct easy secondary text unfortunately) or otherwise unusual sources ( I own a framed document in which the members of the royal wa historical society all signed in 1947 or so - the names are like dipping into horgan's hungry ones name list - which I may or may not be able to scan) to help us on this one. anyway, back to work we go!vcxlor 06:06, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi Drew, I think the best way to go is to try to see if the scanned pages of the wise street directories for perth that are now on the liswa site - actually show adelaide terrace pre 1900? The problem with Horgan's parliamentary invective he may or may not have been accurate in being specific - i mean wittenooms, parrys, roes, cliftons, drake brockmans and so on might have been part of this same circle. it might have been specifically to the families that were in the mansions on adelaide tce at the time, its just a case of whether you/i or someone else can get the wise page for the right year. My specific conversations with de garis and others in the 1980's on this one suggest he might have been impassioned and be loose.vcxlor 14:39, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Oh boy, I realise I am getting old! Horgan's art which youve dones is excellent but we are not going to get wise directories from 1880's i dont think - I am sure it didnt start till 1890's.vcxlor 14:44, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

A O Neville
Just an aside on AO Neville - his son tried to offer money for a writer/researcher to rehabilitate his father's image a few years ago. I dont think anyone took it up.

Anna Haebich's book is one that needs to be ref for this too.

Also Neville was a hills dweller, commuting to perth and back on what kirwan ward used to call the mundaring meteor - the train up the mundaring loop. his son apparently only recently sold the family home in the hills. cheers vcxlor 10:19, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Pine
I maintain my view stated above: "This hinges on what definition of "taking office" we use. If the criterion was the issuing of Letters Patent, then Pine was indeed Governor - but in that case there will presumably other people who were appointed but did not take up their offices, because they died or changed their minds or whatever, and our lists would be full of ghost governors. I think the correct criterion should be taking the oath of office, and thus actually assuming the functions of the office. By that criterion Pine was not Governor." But I am not interested in another argument about this. Adam 05:22, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Willetton SHS (203.14.53.45) - vandalism
I can confirm your email to the principle of Willetton SHS did indeed get through, and has been passed on to the appropriate teacher. Thanks for bringing this to the attention of the school; hopefully they'll do something about it. Dstudent 11:41, 20 August 2005 (UTC) (Willetton SHS Student, Wikipedia User)

Swan River Colony and Parkhurst
Drew, well done on your introduction to the Parkhurst issue, it looks and reads well - and look at the names you have - surely they are the core of horgan's hungry ones? yes?

As to the swan river colony i think you would need to check stathams book on stirling as to what "claim" was made on the landmass - as to whether it was specifically for the adjacent lands, or whether it was for a "location". From my very skewed and biased (historiography via brian de garis et al) point of view, I would not attempt the 'construct' of separate colonies or sub colonies, I suspect that outlying settlements were considered 'outposts' of the same colony. The best way to go i think.

I have not been well, and extraoridnarily erratic with my wiki work, and realise I really shoudlnt enter talk pages on any subject, i tend to be very unwiki in my style and demeanor. So please accept a further apology from my initial interaction the other week! vcxlor 08:44, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

=More on Willetton SHS= Regarding cheese-cube: Good point regaring good faith. I'd heard rumors that he had been a vandal before, something backed up by his talk page; but I probably did over-react.

Thank you for bringing me back to earth! :) Dstudent 04:18, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

BTW. I tried to bring my comment down to the first level of nesting (chapter vs. sub chapter). I hope that's OK. Feel free to change it if you wish.

More on Willetton SHS and cheese-cube
I have removed the comment: I did not realise I had not signed it. As I said before, will be more careful in the future: I did not realise what I said could be seen as a personal attack. Dstudent 09:00, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Dealt with
I've deleted his userpage for attempting to intimidate you by posting personal details, and given him a final warning. If he keeps being a pain, drop me a line - blocking him indefinitely shouldn't be a problem unless he's been making good edits too. Ambi 11:55, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I've left the pages intact this time, because it was just general ranting, but I've blocked both accounts indefinitely for making only disruptive edits. Ambi 13:08, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry I wasn't around to help. (Although I doubt I would've been able to do anything directly - as I'm not an admin). I believe you are correct in your assumption that this is one user editing through multiple sock puppets. His behaviour is particularly offensive. No Wikipedian should be subject to such appalling intimidation. This is not disimilar to the whole neo-Nazi saga (from WikiEN-l), accept in this case it was far more personal, and on-site. I hope this fellow desists (and I think he will, given the triviality of his purpose here). --Cyberjunkie | Talk 14:15, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up!
Good to know you're around. I've been concentrating on WP:Cricket lately, so haven't really paid much attention to what's been happening over here... -- Ian &equiv; talk 00:12, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Your new name
Yuk. Adam 00:15, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

There is a long latin name for the condition of nose picking and eating, it was only coined in the last 4 years or so. It was nowhere near yours at all. I have had too much paranoia from net usage over the last decade and more to ever put my name up in open forums. Good move! Thanks for your condolences. I have been dragged into my nemesis - sacred sites of java - it might take me away from our friends of adelaide terrace of 110 years ago for a while, but nevertheless will try to fit some other old wa things when i can.vcxlor 13:40, 2 September 2005 (UTC)


 * The word is "rhinotillexomania". (Although strictly, this refers only to the picking bit, not the eating bit). Cheers JackofOz 01:22, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Six Hungry Families
Drew, see User talk:Vcxlor. -- Ian &equiv; talk 15:05, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Governors
Drew, Have you seen http://www.rulers.org/ ? 'cause you seem to have done a fair bit on colonial Governors in the past. -- Ian &equiv; talk 09:41, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Page move
Done (I think). Ambi 06:53, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Jarrah
Ok, I feel that I'm being followed, after I had found all the jarrah references changes! I do not agree with lower case usage in article text, but maybe you have some room there! Wow, you sure cover a lot of ground!vcxlor 13:30, 5 September 2005 (UTC) Hey, no big deal! Just realising we have common interests, good to see you have the thing in hand -keep up the good work. Not offended, I feel more perplexed by the variation in style on huges numbers of disambig pages more than anything else at the moment. Best Wishes vcxlor 04:15, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Perth Mint Swindle
Drew, something a bit different. Grateful if you could cast your eyes over this please. Thanks. -- Ian &equiv; talk 15:57, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
 * excuse multiple edits on this page, I don't know what happened -- Ian &equiv; talk 16:01, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Hancock is in the pipeline -- Ian &equiv; talk 01:03, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Edmund Henderson
Thanks. Yes, that is the beauty of Wikipedia. Good Wikipedians sharing their knowledge and research to produce a first-rate reference work. Long may it continue. Cheers. -- Necrothesp 10:17, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

John Forrest NP
Hi Drew, Vcxlor here. with this sort of vandalism, best just to revert and ignore the numbered person, Yes. No.?Best wishes vcxlor 13:04, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the info about this, and doing it. Keep up the good work.vcxlor 02:26, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Thredbo Landslide
Hi. You voted at the Australian Collaboration of the Fortnight for 1997 Thredbo landslide which has become the current collaboration. Please help to improve it in any way you can. --Scott Davis Talk 12:22, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

West Australian
This article is a mess. more lack of npov and innacs than i have found for a while! Bartlett is _noT- a west writer, he is Sunday Times! The Paul Murray link goes to the wrong Paul Murray, and so on. This art needs major re-work. I don't know if I'll have time, but... Anyway, keep up the good work! vcxlor 01:33, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Floral
Just noticed you're going floral tonight! Good stuff, amazing what some will do to entries though, am only just getting a handle on some of the sneakier vandalism around. Best Wishesvcxlor 11:59, 1 October 2005 (UTC) And the follow-up, maybe no-one notices the small bits of cleaning up that you're doing - but it's excellent work - it sure makes a lot of contribs pale in comparison! (mine specially)keep it upvcxlor Yeah, getting caught up in vandal/revert wars on Bali and the bombing issue sure took time away from more productive positive work over the last week or so. Excellent work on the acacias. You need a medal! vcxlor 02:05, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

The West/Vandalism etc
I've got to chuck bali and bali bombing from my watchlist before I lose it! also, throwing in chidlow the way I did I even attracted the interest of ambi again! first met over the franklin tas art etc

I am very dissatisfied with the quality of some west oz arts, the west australian one I reckon needs a complete re-write (as I have said to you earlier sometime) in your life amongst the bio's did you ever pickup much on the early 'inquirer/ west' paper at all?

vcxlor 02:18, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

account box
Haha. I'd got the idea off your page a few minutes before! -- Ian &equiv; talk 03:18, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Moondyne Source
Fremantle Prison, Moondyne Joe source. Thankyou so much for the Mondyne Joe article, now pinned on the guideroom wall at Freo Prison, Outstanding find. Pete, Tour guide femantleprison.com.au ghostieguide

Cyberjunkie
Great idea nominating CJ- I was planning on doing it myself. There is something wrong with the number of contribs you've listed- 620 contribs with 2600... since you've got the details you should probably chase it up. Thanks.--nixie 01:25, 10 October 2005 (UTC) Just a hear hear from myself as well on this nomination. He sure dives into places needing work without flinching. i was battling vandalism in bali while he was building and guarding the bombing art and I was impressed. vcxlor 15:02, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

The Drowner
Drew Ive asked [IanBrown] to suggest on this book that was attached to CY O'Connor Gnangarra 07:57, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * good job cleaning up that vandalism todayGnangarra 07:58, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

My RfA
Hi Drew. Just wanted to thank you most profusely for nominating and supporting me for Adminship. I hope I'm able to live up to the confidence placed in me. Oh, and just let me know when your ready and I'll nominate you in a heartbeat. --Cyberjunkie | Talk 03:38, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Sheoak
I think the Sheoak page would be best merged into the family page Casuarinaceae - any thoughts? - MPF 01:13, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks; "is it therefore true to say that sheoak is the common name for members of the family Casuarinaceae? I wasn't absolutely certain that it does, so I took the safe option" - more or less, yes; I'd guess truer to say 'one of the common names', but that needn't exclude its being placed on the family page (particularly as the same could probably be said for other common names like bulloak, too). Long past my bedtime, so I'll not do it now, if you want to tackle it - MPF 01:31, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Raco-frigging-sperma
I had no idea that ' Racosperma ' had been ratified by the IBC--so it does that mean that wikipedia will have to reflect taxonomic reality.( Sigh) I am prepared to initiate appropiate page. Will dig up relevant Austrobaileya journal. Would appreciate any ideas. Was struck by the heat of your rant on copyright! (ouch) Eric A. Warbuton 03:49, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

I regret to inform you that a full list of over 960 species has been published here changing from Acacia to Racosperma eg. Racosperma melanoxylon(R.Br)Pedley etc. etc. So its a fait accomplis. It was published here:

Pedley,L. (2003) A synopsis of Racosperma C.Mart Austrobaileya 6(3): 445-496.

I have no interest in demanding that wikipedia make suitable changes-perhaps in wikispecies? What do think? Am satified if the Racosperma page exists-but will leave it up you. Eric A. Warbuton 04:48, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Banksia
Hi, great work on the Bansia and related articles. The Commons has lots of pics of identified species, and I probably have more that I haven't uploaded. I was thinking that the two lists Taxonomic arrangement of Banksia and List of Banksia species might be better as one to avoid the duplication of information. What genus are you going to write up next- Hakea could do with some work and is predominately a WA genus.

Also, thanks for the info on hidden fields in tables, I haven't had a chance to play around with it yet.--nixie 02:20, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

JFNP & Perth
G.day. Good to see you're steadily at it. I used your name in vain on the perth, western australia item when an expat perth person kept editing my music entry, and we came up with a perth to do 'cultural history' which I have started suggesting possible ways to do so - and I immediately thought of all your bios - and the 'upper or ruling class of culture in the 1890's' here in Perth. who knows?

Oh and I never replied to your comment on what you know of the'west', cripes your answer shows you're well beyond the usual punter in your resources on that one. I've left 'the west' issue alone for a while. Oh well I better get out of your way at this point.vcxlor 07:00, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

4000 edits +use of your name
Congratulations, and well done and on difficult tedious things as well!

Sorry, I tend to be obtuse even to myself, what I had meant was I had stated in wanting to get a handle on what constituted 'culture' of the governing class in the 1890's - I had noticed you had done so many bios of the folks of the time, I had written something like 'where are you snottygoble' or words to the effect. That's what I had meant. sigh. I hope I make sense.vcxlor 07:53, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

short wave radio station names in wa
Thanks for your messages Drew, you're too polite! I can see adminship looming in your future! Yeah, well the aging brain, and false memories. It could have been something like VLW6. from that to vcx? bit like whispers, etc. If we get this into the wiki history article context - the lack of peer review or independent test/checking leaves me shuddering at times, and a good argument for academics to refuse work from students who use unverified web based info!vcxlor 00:05, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

music
my two bobs worth on talk:perth cultural history. i think my grand idea for the overall cultural history network of entries is far too ambitious. anyway I think it'll start something.vcxlor 02:46, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

wa maps
Hi thanks for the comments on my user page about the Regions of Western Australia maps. Its encouraged me to keep going with them :) Astrokey44 04:46, 28 October 2005 (UTC)


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