User talk:Hesperian/Archive 11


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All those RfA thanks
Thanks. I'd been meaning to archive them off and you motivated me to clean up! --Steve (Slf67)talk 03:48, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Now now
Dont get despondent, some do... SatuSuro 07:09, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree Gnangarra 07:13, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * What on earth are you guys talking about? Hesperian 07:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * here Who cares, we do Gnangarra 07:17, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Haha. &mdash; Moondyne 08:22, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh. Thanks guys :-) Hesperian 23:43, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

A fine collaboration
Seeing this is the place lots of important people hang out I'd like to use this forum to announce my new idea for a collaboration: Mitchell's Group Settlement Scheme. It has been mooted before but not actioned. What do you think? &mdash; Moondyne 08:33, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, I don't care what you all think, I'm going to do it anyway! &mdash; Moondyne 08:34, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That's the spirit! Hesperian 23:46, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It'll either end in FA, DYK, GA, tears or silent rotting like the Goldfields Water thingie (which reminds me) - the 2 volumes of Gabbedy would be a good start! SatuSuro 09:32, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah. Nothing ever rots here, it just gets re-prioritised. &mdash; Moondyne 09:44, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Banksia
Looks great! Adam Cuerden talk 10:57, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Constant Gardener
Rooting out - regular - diff id nos but obviously same issue - dvd mlcm - trust it can be resolved! SatuSuro 06:41, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I came, I saw, I left welcomes at least SatuSuro 06:51, 15 November 2006 (UTC) Thanks for the compost (er think might be taking it too far SatuSuro 07:45, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I wld hv tht a chcksr mght slv the issue SatuSuro 13:03, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Email has been sent SatuSuro 13:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

re talk:i a
it has been pointed out to me that i misinterpreted your initial intervention in that discussion. my apologies for not assuming good faith in that instance. aside from that, i cannot help thinking that treating someone like premier w/ kid gloves, while assuming that someone who is simply rude &/or carried away with a debate does not merit being disabused of their mistake, is seriously misplacing priorities. yes, i was stupid, but under the circumstances i cannot honestly apologise for anything further than that. yours begrudgingly &rArr;  bsnowball  16:54, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * your comments seemed to demonstrate that you hadn't read the archive as you were repeating points made there which hadn't produced any effect. i repeated my comment because you continued to give this impression.
 * your acusation against me was random, not randomly directed, & the archive bears this out. for example premier compares the aleged 'aboriginal cannibalism' to the holocaust & dispution of it to holocaust denial. this point was higlighted by me then! having read that & other comments of his from before i became involved you still wished to claim this person might have been provoked be me? i believe the best interpretation was that you hadn't read it.
 * your accusations of 'mindlessness' continue to belie your claim to have read the archive anything more that cursorarily: it had been decided the material would not go in until properly sourced, hence the reverts.
 * blaming me for 'picking a fight' after apparently changing your mind about the material? given that you seemed to be encouraging this user with his cannibalism claims, the most natural interpretation was that u were continuing with this line. until your last u hadn't bothered to clarify this point. hence also my 'bombastic' re-iteration of points from the archive
 * your ad hominen attacks ('mindless' etc.) are unhelpful to say the least. as an admin u should be aware of this. &rArr; bsnowball  13:14, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

No worries
That's OK - I understood exactly what you were trying to do when I saw your first intervention the other night, and was quite impressed with your efforts to engage Premier. Unfortunately I think it was contingent on other parties to leave you to do your job in peace, and emotions had run so high already that that was never going to happen. Gotta love WikiDisputes :) Best of luck with it. Orderinchaos78 (t 22:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it would have helped my ability to stay more neutral on this if these guys weren't so obviously CEC/One Nation wingnuts. I've had more than a few try and recruit me over the years. Orderinchaos78 (t 00:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * True - that's why I accepted that there should be *a* mention of cannibalism in the article, as it definitely was on the minds of a lot of writers about Aboriginals in the earlier half of last century, but that it should be an appropriately researched, balanced and NPOV one. If this thing isn't bigger than its editors (and their politics), it's really not worth anything more than their opinions (the quote about arseholes comes to mind :)). My comment btw related more to the talk page edits today, rather than the actual edits to the article. Orderinchaos78 (t 01:33, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

As someone who has been through UWA anthrop dept in the days of the Berndts I tend to see the desperate need to prove that 'C' existed some desparate anxiety issue for those who have little or no understanding of the complexity of human societies - or the agendas that anthrop's get caught up in - I wont even start here. Nevertheless I firmly believe anyone who is so desparate to have one sentence in an art to satisfy the need has no place on wikipedia when you consider the time space and energy consumed in coping with it. Order is right - it needs to find itself a place in blogosphere not wiki. SatuSuro 03:17, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Greta
Thanks for your prompt intervention. It is just much better coming from someone who is previously uninvolved--Golden Wattle talk 01:09, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

RFA
Thanks for the encouragement, I'd welcome the opportunity to add another mop to Western Australian cupboard. Gnangarra 06:49, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Lets wait for the completion of Banksia integrifolia FA nomination first. Gnangarra 07:30, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Your message
No Tony 10:41, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Admin talk page oddity
I suspect longhair is off and someone has loaded junk in his name? I could be wrong - not sure where to alert on this one SatuSuro 13:30, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry to have dragged you in on that one - ScottDavis checked it and there seemed nothing wrong. I thought I had seen signs of vndls - but I was wrong! SatuSuro 04:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Sigh wesley has the same junk happening too SatuSuro 13:31, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

A view of gnangarra and moondyne's contributions and talk pages will give you an idea of the fun we had with wesley - I suspect kindred spirits of the old problem now that tee is over - idle fingersSatuSuro 04:25, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I've been copping a fair share of talk page vandalism of late. It comes when one deals with vandalism with force ;) Feel free to revert if you spot any fiddlers. I'm kinda busy offline for the next week or so but I'll be back eventually. Thanks. -- Longhair\talk 04:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Australian plants
Hiya. Just wanted to make sure you noticed that I've consolidated the merge discussion in Talk:List of Australian plant species. Didn't want to lose you in the shuffle. Waitak 06:45, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Long jetty
This was the jetty I was talking about the other day. &mdash; Moondyne 04:09, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hope you guys didnt mind that I joined in the nm SatuSuro 07:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Not at all; I would have asked you earlier, but had to log off at short notice. Hesperian 11:49, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

H: Thanks for asking. It is my honour to do so. My humble comments have been left. &mdash; Moondyne 11:55, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Gn
Very much so. I'll add a statement tonight.--cj | talk 07:41, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I've added a statement. Whenabouts will it be submitted? I see Gnangarra's prepared/preparing his answers.--cj | talk 12:35, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * please check out the discussion between Moondyne and Sarah, When you(or someone else) are able to commence the RfA process go for it. Gnangarra 14:28, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Thankyou for the endorsement, I have just completed the questions and added to the RfA page. 08:33, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * you delete those sandbox pages. Gnangarra

Thanks for your message. It was already live by the time I got back online so I just added my support. Cheers, Sarah Ewart (Talk) 23:42, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Mount Henry Peninsula (Western Australia)
Can you please bring your detailed knowledge of official names to this article talk page. Gnangarra 08:15, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * And for the record, I'm happy to be overruled. &mdash; Moondyne 08:34, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * What am I, the chair umpire? I don't "overrule"; I just "disagree" ;-) Hesperian 02:42, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep your the umpire we've got a white hat and expect you to stand in the middle all summer flapping your arms around 8) Gnangarra 05:30, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well... I can hold your hat for you when you come in off the long run. Hesperian 05:40, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Gawd, Looks like I'll be left holding the drinks over at Mount Pleasant ( I have a watercolour painting of Mount Henry peninsula from the jetty over the river in the 1940's)SatuSuro 03:26, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Unless the painter died before 1936 we could have copyright problems, as copyright is life of author plus 70 years. Unless your the painter or are the copyright holder. I'll bring an esky you can stand a square legGnangarra 03:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually 1954, as we had life+50 until January 1 2005, and the life+70 legislation didn't revive lapsed copyrights. Hesperian 04:07, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * OK I'll take silly mid off - its my natural position (!), I'll person the umbrella and the beer - and I'll load my photo of the South Spur ballast train in the middle of the bridge instead SatuSuro 04:12, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Real quickie
At the risk of talk page spam - could you have a quick look at Cullacabardee, Western Australia? I've just written it then, and I have a feeling it needs someone who hasn't worked on it to cast an eye over it. More sections will be added later, but when I came to this I thought I was doing a suburb article and ended up in the middle of government documents, highly suspect POV news reports and submissions to inquiries. Feel free to edit as appropriate, I got the articles through my student access to a news search database hence no URLs. Orderinchaos78 09:36, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Wollemia
Hi Hesperian - thanks for doing the move (I'd wanted to do so for some time but felt unable to do so as having been involved in the return move proposal). It should however (as a monotypic genus) be at the genus name (c.f. Ginkgo, Cryptomeria, Sequoia, Metasequoia, etc., etc.) rather than the full species name. Want to move it on, or shall I? - MPF 02:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Wildflower event Fri Dec 8 3-6 PM
Guys - if I can get your real names I can get your names on a party list for a wildflower event in Wanneroo on Dec 8. cheers Cas Liber 08:12, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Explorer pages
Thanks for your input on the naming convention thingy. I posted a reply on the talk page. Also thanks for taking the time at Robert Bush - duh!SauliH 15:32, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Removal of warning from User talk:Rebecca
I'm curious as to how an edit summary of " two critics views that happen to agree with your own still isn't an NPOV summary" (when I've expressed no views on the movie and in fact haven't even seen it) do not constitute an attack? Seraphimblade 03:20, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Effectively, Rebecca is making an accusation of POV and bad faith (attempting to put my own views on something), when what was inserted into the article was summarized, sourced, and, far from being POV, simply was a listing of the available sources. I suppose technically it isn't an attack per WP:NPA, but it certainly doesn't strike me as a very good way of handling things, nor as meeting assumption of good faith or being civil. Seraphimblade 03:38, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

AFL Quiz
Dave Granger/Grave Danger was right so please unleash another question upon the eagerly waiting hordes. --Roisterer 14:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Geoplaces
Is there any significance to a place appearing twice in the Geoscience database? eg. Tardun ie. Is there a subtle difference between the two records aside from the fact that they're 5 minutes apart. &mdash; Moondyne 08:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That makes sense. Thanks. &mdash; Moondyne 11:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Steveng75
I've mentioned this person to you back in October 31 about sneak vandalism and he's done it again today except it wasn't sneak vandalism but malicious. The sneak vandalism that he did in October was this ViriiK 02:38, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

re:2nd
I thought that was the about the spice use/history and not the specifically the plant, I changed to request to read tree article. Gnangarra 06:42, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

List
Of cities by area - when do we get to the point of putting it up for Afd? (sigh) oh - it was so good being away from wikipedia - reality sure has problems (ie coming back)  :) SatuSuro 00:16, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Maybe a garland around such articles should be placed - like ''this article is probably improbable but in the interests of Douglas Adams and Dr Heisenbergs assertions about reality - you are reading what might be improbably correct, or correctly explained as improbable " (it's all right I have just had breakfast)  - that should keep one lot of contributors staggered for a second or two. and others SatuSuro 00:40, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Point taken, but probably not worth the effort in the case of the list of.... sighSatuSuro 00:58, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

On leafy prose...
On Talk:Frankston South, Victoria I am talking to someone who seems reasonable and whom I believe I have a chance of educating, trying to argue that the word "leafy" is not really encyclopaedic. Any ideas? Orderinchaos78 01:55, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Port Hedland
Fun for all in there - a newbie with an IP address has made around 50 small edits in the last 2 days, most of which are either inserting questionable claims or unsourced (or poorly sourced) new information into the article. Gnangarra, SatuSuro and I have been trying to keep the content on track, I've also made a good faith effort to communicate with the user but have not had any response. Not sure where to go from here so thought I'd let you know.

And BTW I'm suitably impressed about the watchlist of 4,000! Mine's slowly marching towards 1,000. Orderinchaos78 08:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Tis the season for them - our Mooroolbark anon is still at it. I see some other anon seems to be trying to fight it and is 1 revert short of 3RR (even if I do agree with their reverts). Orderinchaos78 03:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually just realised 220.239.195.178 is in fact already in violation of 3RR (melburnian, 58 ip, 58 ip) Orderinchaos78 03:10, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

New username
Ok, just wondering. Thanks. | A ndonic O Talk 11:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Norfolk
Hi, could you drop me an email so I can send you the pdf? --Peta 23:33, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Australian candidates
Can't hurt. :) Rebecca 04:22, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Notice
No harm done, while I've got your attention have you seen a positive tag about an article being edited by its subject, I've been dealing with an IP editing the article The Blood one of the band members was editing under that IP. I had some success with getting him to create an account and work positively on the article but all I can find are negatively worded templates I want a positive one to further encourage the guy. Gnangarra 04:22, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * thanks that'll do Gnangarra

Locusts
Listening now. &mdash;Moondyne 00:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

WP:LOCAL
I'm sure you'd be interested in this proposed guideline and since you may not have seen the VP notice I thought i'd let you know. Gnangarra 05:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

The mere prospect...
LOL! Too true, and thanks for that. Orderinchaos78 06:54, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Bill
The issues are a bit more complex than Lynes might understand - if I ever get the work done on the west coast tas arts and the Pedder art and a few other things - then you might get a glimpse of the complexity of the issues that accompanied the two sagas - I just have to reduce my talk by 90% and nose down, all very unlikely considering the many projects in mind - and I havent even started checking my enthusiasms for hakeas yet ( I have grown h.petialaris and h. laurina and tuarts (!) on the darlington bauxite that i owned until earlier this year) see what I mean - scattered - boy I envy banksia and cricket project people, such dedicated workers, with fixed subject areas :) SatuSuro 12:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * As for the notorious list - a good consession - perhaps - in changing the title - but.... SatuSuro 23:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

To let you know
WikiProject Australian maritime history Appears viable and is now started - please excuse any rough patches in the start - any suggestions would be appreciated! SatuSuro 01:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The Article list is meant to be a list in progress - as there is no really good maritime history article on the whole of wikipedia IMHO - (the category area for maritime hist has usa fragments for instance) we need to see the largest range of associations for the article list - and hopefully the list then can be prioritised for  where the biggest gaps are.  Thanks for your input! SatuSuro 05:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Cultural Cringe
Hey I saw you reverted my edits to Cultural cringe. I was particuarly confused by your edits to talk. Could this be further discussed there or is this like an administrater bar on the topic? The Rules thing seems a little bit peculiar to me, that is all. --Rugby 666 11:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

No, absolutely not. WMOS indicates that I should attempt to defend myself as well as possible which I have been doing at. I hope I have not been presumptuous in that regard. I think you have got your bearings off because because the two IP numbers for those two are from two different countries, which if it were all true, would make quite a conspiracy. But I think wikipedia is far too mundane for that. My big salient(thank god I have got one) is that user:Licininius very clearly loves soccer on his user page, and I very clearly do not like soccer(hence I generally do not edit soccer pages), all of Licinius's edits and as many as his sockpuppets as I have seen attacked either football or you, or Grant65, or Ambi, things that I have clearly not done. It is not particuarly creative to ridicule Rules in Sydney as not really Australian, as can be evidenced by the eight professional teams in Melbourne and one in Sydney, that does not make me Licinius. But by all means do a checkuser. Cheers --Rugby 666 12:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

But do we have a dispute at Cultural Cringe. --Rugby 666 12:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

No and no and no, I am not NSWelshman. --Rugby 666 13:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Place names
I get it now, but why is Babbage Island, Western Australia there? Shoudn't that be named per the geoplace rules? How nice to see the troll back again. &mdash;Moondyne 13:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Its very encouraging to see the evolution of the WPAMH page thanks! SatuSuro 13:39, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * And the lighthouse table as well - I am having trouble finding out about the Hamelin Bay light though - interesting it doesnt come up on the geoscience online database - And I am so sure it was there. What capacity do we have for decommissioned lights in the list? SatuSuro 06:43, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The left hand column of this site [] looks like a possible template list - maybe SatuSuro 07:11, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * And for this topic, this looks like the holy grail: -

Author 	Cumming, D. A. (Denis Arthur) Title 	Lighthouses on the Western Australian coast and off-shore islands / by D.A. Cumming, M. Glasson & M. McCarthy ; with contributions from M. Coleman ... [et al.] Published 	[Fremantle, W.A.] : Western Australian Maritime Museum, 1995. Descript'n 	4 v. : ill., maps, 1 port. ; 30 cm. SatuSuro 07:17, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

York Road
Why I had done it that way was I thought the actual named road 'old york road' in contemporary sense simply exists in Greenmount locality - while the york road could be considered to be the whole road - hope that makes sense - I have just started a stub called helena vale - I suspect that I should have called it Helena Vale, Western Australia - I was wondering as a favour could you please change it over? SatuSuro 10:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Gee I am slow - thanks for that on moving. Also thanks for the york road thingo. Cheers SatuSuro 10:53, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey woodman light looks good! SatuSuro 12:23, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * INYHO do you think its worth doing a 'covering art' of Lighthouses of Western Australia to complement a list? SatuSuro 12:26, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I am considering putting a convict era sites in the Darling Scarp art - interested in your opinion on that SatuSuro 12:34, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thread 1,231 (my joke about my scattered contrib history) going down.... here goes SatuSuro 12:36, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * A very stubbish stub has started for the lighthouses. Ok - I would separate convict era from more recent in my mind as the convict ones tend to be archeolog work while the latter is heritage inventory stuff  at Shires of Mundaring and Kalamunda of which I have the mundaring index on me (as wellas the online HC list) .. SatuSuro 12:45, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Maritime Project
What is/was the Dimboola incident? &mdash;Moondyne 15:10, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Whoops, I got it. &mdash;Moondyne 15:11, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Re: Boonah: I'd not heard of that but would say its worthy also. Will you add it to the list? &mdash;Moondyne 00:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Did you go to the early maps exhibition at Curtin? It finished on Friday and I missed it. Grrr &mdash;Moondyne 13:40, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

BTW I am very appreciative of the things you guys are putting in - it really feels though it was a project that was needed... SatuSuro 13:42, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Names
Thanks for that SatuSuro 23:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * With possibly the worst public water supply in australia - and Martin Hawes's only private dwelling _at Melangata - where I have stayed a few times - the dalgaranga impact crater - one of the few remaining railway stations still intact on the meekathara line - gng's photo of the outback starts here - gawd - who wouldnt? SatuSuro 00:01, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Tryal Rocks
Nice work. I'm guessing that you're reading Henderson. Interesting story heh? If you still have it, would you mind having a look at the Discovery section in Tryall as I'm sure its wrong according to Henderson (that info came from elsewhere). I no longer have the book. Alan Robinson's capers would be another tale. &mdash;Moondyne 05:16, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Batavia
Whoops and thanks. I got an edit conflict when I went back to fix it. &mdash;Moondyne 00:09, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Did you know?

 * Hey, you're in the running to catch up with moon and bananabucket ! :)  SatuSuro 01:38, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes - but to have specific maritime history entries (and that one has the element of clearing the mystery of a long standing issue - which reminds me of some of the issues arising when I was trying to make head or tail or limb of some issues of the monte bello stuff) into the main dyk realm is absoltutely great - well written arts like yours and moondynes can only increase the cred of the project - which I think really boosts the cred of the whole wesst oz things anyway.  I have put the shipwreccks guy on notice that usa maritime history appears to not even have an article yet... or not that i am able to find in the weird cateory trees... SatuSuro 02:14, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Nothing negative at all - but i think tis probably worth watching dampier arch and burrup - I think they need improving considering the issues current - if we had a wa project - I know I'd put it up for a collab project for the two - SatuSuro 02:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Perth/Hobart parallel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hobart#The_four_Hobarts - I think is direcctly relevant to Perth - what do you think? SatuSuro 02:42, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Dual tages
Saulih and I are not 100% sure about having maritime/explorer article talk pages dual tagged - can you think of any issues that we might not be aware of if we do so? SatuSuro 22:55, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * He's showing excellent signs of wanting to collaborate in areas of common interest - which is a great relief! I just hope I can keep up with him (whew!) SatuSuro 23:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Christmas eve
Hi Hesperian this shall be a busy day Gnangarra 01:16, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Read this you guys
Did any of you guys notice that List of Wikipedians by number of edits has finally been updated after a couple of years of being useless? As of 30 November: My sympathies go out to Longhair (15) and Peta (51). Hesperian 01:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Moondyne is the 340th most prolific contributor to Wikipedia;
 * includes about 2000 AWB edits. &mdash;Moondyne 02:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I've made one or two myself ;) Hesperian 02:28, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hesperian is number 379;
 * SatuSuro is number 1416;
 * Gnangarra is number 1990;
 * Orderinchaos78 is number 2318;


 * My sympathies to all of us in our... 'holism SatuSuro 02:03, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Coral
The source seemed too good to ignore as its the best physical description I've seen to date. Good work on the shipwrecks. I'm having a few days off for the crikit. Heading off again shortly to listen those accursed Barmy Army soldiers. &mdash;Moondyne 02:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

North Coast of Java
It has gone completely out of mind when Jepara was an english fort - anyways have linked to it (the brits and dutch always had fun with transliterating javanese place names)  - its a very poor article - assume you dont want Java linked? SatuSuro 02:28, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The first occurence should be. Hesperian 02:31, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Ta.. btw v imprssd by table - we'll have to get a nautical barnstar up and running! SatuSuro 02:55, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikilogos
I've noticed you're very involved here, you might be interested in my proposal for Wikipedia use logo variations created by members of the wiki community to mark national and international awareness days, Remembrance Days, notable anniversaries, and observance days. Please comment on Village_pump_(proposals) and on my talk page. Thanks! frummer 03:22, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


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