User talk:Hesperian/Archive 15


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More Hamersley
Amazing what comes out of research, you find some very odd things. But it's just a matter of how to express them in the proper way on Wikipedia. For instance, I have discovered that *every* election since 1971 (its first), at both State and Federal level, Hamersley had voted Liberal, except for the two most recent state elections. Given it's not an upper middle class suburb like Carine and Duncraig, and given neighbouring Warwick and Greenwood with very similar demographics and a common history have a habit of swinging, and the rest of the area (Balcatta and anything east of Wanneroo Road) is VERY safe Labor, it's difficult to say why it has historically, even during the Hawke/Keating and Burke/Dowding years, been so conservative, and why it's chosen now to break a 30-year pattern (at state level, anyway). Another interesting thing is the high-for-the-region Green and former Democrat vote. Unfortunately as you can see we're starting to get into WP:OR without even trying. I'm typing with one eye on Waterfall Gully, South Australia, a featured article which gets into a fair bit of this kind of analysis (strangely with no verification or sources whatsoever for its conclusions on that area, although one could argue that it's a bit more obvious than this one), so I thought I'd ask for a second opinion. The factual approach has something going for it but may leave readers thinking "...so what?" Orderinchaos78 11:37, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Will email my thoughts on that one. Re Hamersley, the statistical returns are reliable primary sources so I'll probably just go with the facts and leave people to make their own interpretations of what it may mean (or not mean - a long-time resident suggested it may be an apathy factor) Orderinchaos78 12:03, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * One other thing - ABS have been very nice and sent me the 1996 BCP by email, although it's not on their website. Clearly, this would be useful to analyse any change factors, but how would I reference it given that it's not in any library? Orderinchaos78 12:14, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That's cool - it was only a "for noting". Good luck and have a nice break! :) Orderinchaos78 12:32, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

George Brand
I have added a "" template to the article George Brand, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at its talk page. Removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, but the article may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. --Fang Aili talk 17:58, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I see you're going on Wikibreak--I don't want the article to be deleted before you've had a chance to address the notability issue, so if you run into problems let me know. I can always restore it if necessary. Have a good break, Fang Aili talk 17:59, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Blocking Adam Carr
Dear Hesperian, I would like User:Adam_Carr to be blocked for personal attacks against me. He called me a troll and a grub. I find that very offensive and therefore I would like permanent block against him. Thanks LibDeepThroat 06:21, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hesp, since you are on a break, I went ahead and responded to this fellow. Hope you are having a good break. Cheers, Sarah 12:29, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Railway
Mullewa to Meeka got killed about 74 or so SatuSuro 11:30, 29 January 2007 (UTC) Some maps show the line out beyond mullewa but its not operational. Yalgoo railway station is iconic in that town - as for other old stations I dont know - and the big bell branch line is famous... apart from that the meeka- wiluna line I think got exterminated some years before the meeka.... and the mount magnet sandstone branch died a lot earlier if i get it right - there are a few local website that have all the details havent trawled them recnetly... SatuSuro 12:04, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Mt Magnet station is still there chnage rooms for the sporting ground built there, the station masters house is also still there. Cue I think is gone, Austin Island station platform still there, mainland its gone, daydawn station is gone, meeka station was there 5 years ago, nanine platform is still there, Yalgoo station is now tourist centre, lennonville station platform was still there 5 years ago(prob gone now), bigbell platform still there, all tracks and sleepers were removed early 80's, most bridges were destroy(couple left,1 on big bell spur, one just north of MT Mag.) but earth works still visable. sandstone line i dont know Gnangarra 12:25, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for replies guys. Having finally got to the end of a long watchlist, I am Wikipedia'ed out for tonight. I shall leave it in your capable hands, or deal with it myself tomorrow. Hesperian 12:52, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Clarified closing in the Meeka article. SatuSuro 12:58, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Swingin' cats

 * Thanks for comment.
 * I was just here to leave message, but got distracted by deletionist at Brand.
 * I have not replied on woman (adjective) yet, I will. I have heard one (questionable) source using 'women' in this way - myself. Is that solution for cat:s?
 * Re. parent categories, I was going to point it out, but thought that might seem rude after your extensive explanation. You were not around to ask, either. Your replies are more helpful than 'Help'. I had hoped to get more explanations, so perhaps I incited this. Sorry, probably not very polite. But I will put my new knowledge to good use. Thanks again. Fred 12:28, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back :)
Hope you had a good time away! Hope it was away from Perth - the weather here has been pretty bad over the weekend. Orderinchaos78 12:38, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That was the assumption I made, but I wasn't certain if it was a hint or just a pretty picture to keep us occupied. :) Orderinchaos78 13:10, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Gotta love the POV stuff in the Meekatharra article under "travelling precautions" :) Orderinchaos78 13:53, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * SHould be a separate article that deals with all desert travel and isolated communites rather than picking on poor old meeka...SatuSuro 13:55, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

List of Western Australian birds
All my hard work wasted! (not really) Thanks for the guidance :) &mdash;Moondyne 14:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Harsh words (just kiddin'). Yes, the find/replace was exactly as you describe.  I've been using User:Zocky/Search Box a lot lately.  Cheers. &mdash;Moondyne 04:37, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, Thanks
Thanks, man. You don't have to worry about butting in; you helped me plenty. Thanks, again. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit me  §   Contributions ♣ 04:52, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * One of the sufferers of some atrocious vandalism issues - that'll help him - thanks for that SatuSuro 05:19, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

WA Meetup
Thanks for the heads up, Will you make it? Oh and btw your valued input here would be great. Articles for deletion/List of haunted locations Cheers Ghostieguide 05:28, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Aquinas Peer Review
Apologies - but i think i screwed that up badly - I tried to make an archive of the peer review and add a new peer review - because i think the article needs one. Smbarnzy 13:00, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Heathridge
Quick question - what is the "heath like vegetation" (courtesy of Landgate) likely to have been in the area of modern-day Heathridge? The old MRS maps suggest there was a sand quarry just beyond the suburb's eastern boundary (about where Regatta Drive, Edgewater is now), so I'd guess it's somewhat different to Hamersley. Orderinchaos78 14:17, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) Not a high priority, it's more just to make it less waffly - as far as I know "heath" doesn't grow in Australia so it kind of stands out as being a bit silly. Orderinchaos78 01:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah OK... I was thinking more of the English moors. (Must have been all those Enid Blyton books as a child. :) Trying to figure out how to add to Ham. what I found out yesterday about the A-E bushland (amazing what you can get out of a single sign and a few phonecalls!) Orderinchaos78 01:44, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Removal of "Attacks"
It was a joke. Did you even read it? It was stupid. Crap, it even said I had an IQ of 450, which is totally impossible. Plus, the attacks on me weren't even about that; that person was angry at me because I removed his edits that were deemed vandalism. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me  §   Contributions ♣ 17:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the block
The main reason I blocked that IP was that that IP had been using sockpuppetry to vandalize many highway pages. That user had a personal vendetta against many of us highway editors. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 03:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Dick Robson
Just noticed it hadnt been tagged. Interestingly when Brian De Garis was teaching at uwa circa 1980 - the fate of this guy wasnt known - he had disapeared off the screen when he left the state - which goes to show what later and more recent research resources can help with this sort of stuiff... my brains not 100% this am but havent we already had a conversation about whether he was ever really called dick rather than richard? SatuSuro 23:02, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Seeing your regionalisations work - reminded me of a very recent 'real' conversation ! SatuSuro 23:04, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Too efficient - it leaves me stunned in my tracks... so my memories not as bad as i thought...- but the outcome makes it look like a 3rr potential - someone diff from us needs to change it back again :) SatuSuro 23:22, 1 February 2007 (UTC)!

Forgot this am to say - good to catch up at meetup - I realised I had a number of conversations I had wanted to have - didnt get around to it - will try email later in weekend SatuSuro 07:25, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

S. album
If this is a tolerable stub, would you give it a once over. Drag it into main space if you want. I think I can patch up the links I found. Cheers (again) - Fred 06:09, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * User:Fred.e/Santalum album

Title: Intra- and inter-specific pollination of Santalum spicatum and S. album Authors: Rugkhla, A.; McComb, J.A.; Jones, M.G.K. Source: Australian journal of botany. - Vol. 45, no. 6 (1997) Publisher: CSIRO Place of Publication: Collingwood, Vic. Date of Publication: 1997 ISBN/ISSN: 00671924
 * 1) It needs a description. - Will give it a go.
 * 2) There is no record of S. album occurring in WA. - I wondered about that. And this? "I think I read it somewhere else and somebody told me once" - Fred ... is the ref for this one.
 * 3) Are there any "deciduous dry forests of... north-west Australia"? - At the entrances to wild caves, so no ref - sorry.
 * 4) Any information on ecology? - I coud not get a site that delivered. I have to confess to botany being my weakest subject. Another reason I focus on it.  Send me some sound external links sometime. Will look in paper realm. Best regards. Fred 07:25, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Btw, the award came from me. My quick reading suggested that he wanted one name only. I think my last edit is acceptable (imho).  - Fred

Collation: p. 1083-1095 : ill.

Subjects SANTALUM SPICATUM; SANTALUM ALBUM; SANTALACEAE; POLLINATION

Notes: AE

Location: Journal Is this relevant? From the same site. - Fred
 * There are plantations, perhaps that is all there is. - Fred

Endangered vs Rare/priority flora
I've updated Dryandra Woodland accordingly. &mdash;Moondyne 07:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, your advice taken. I'd took the list (without checking it) from appendix 1 in the CALM management plan.  Clearly this is an area I need to avoid. &mdash;Moondyne 00:26, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The interest is definitely there. Maybe I need to read a primer of taxonomical conventions because it's just about Japanese to me at this time. &mdash;Moondyne 04:31, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Like,
 * what does the 'ms' means in "Chamelaucium croxfordiae ms"; and the 'aff' in "Schoenus aff. clandestinus".
 * and why have a Wikispecies database at all - what is it for that en: can't do, and when should we link to it directly in an en: article
 * and in florabase, is there a way if filtering for a geographical area.
 * &mdash;Moondyne 04:47, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanations. More Q's coming I sus[ect.  There's no discussion at Talk:Jacksonia that I can see. &mdash;Moondyne 14:01, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I found my primer: http://florabase.calm.wa.gov.au/help/names &mdash;Moondyne 01:45, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Murujuga
Howdy, further to my blather last night, there is ref nudging our article from the top of the page on a google search for this. It gives the name "Murujuga (Burrup)" throughout the article, but: Introduction The Burrup is an artificial peninsula that used to be called Dampier Island until it was connected to the main- land in the mid-1960s, by a causeway supporting both a road and rail track. In 1979 it was re-named after the island’s highest hill, Mt Burrup. This illustrates and perpetuates the common practice in the 19th century of ignoring eminently eligible existing names of geographical features in favour of dull and insipid European names. Usually such features were renamed after surveyors, their wives, some general or regent or anyone else who came to mind to someone at the time. In the case of Mt Burrup, and ultimately the ‘Burrup peninsula’, it was named after one Henry Burrup, a 19th century bank clerk in Roeburne. The traditional Aboriginal name of the island/peninsula, Murujuga, has historical precedence and should not be erased by colonial or post-colonial attempts to negate or ignore previous history. Moreover, in view of the Flying-Foam Massacre ... Sigh, so it goes. There is some good data in the article. There is also indication of interest by petroglyph journals in other languages. I will keep looking. Still owe you a couple of pints. Fred 13:22, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Template
This was what I was referring to last night. Orderinchaos78 14:41, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Ludwig Preiss
I dug some info off the net and created a stubby article. Gnangarra 15:23, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Proposed Wikipedia talk:Notability (news)
In the discussion at Articles for deletion/Murder of Tom ap Rhys Pryce in which you participated, some editors suggested the need for a guideline where a consensus could be reached regarding whether everything which is newsworthy is also encyclopedic. I have created a draft of a proposed guideline Wikipedia talk:Notability (news). Your input is welcome. Thanks.Edison 15:36, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Changes to election articles
Hi there - I was discussing changes being made to a WA editor and they suggested to speak to you... if you have a read of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian politics, you will see that the major party leader tables are being removed and replaced with a redundant lower house results table. Case in points are here and here, as opposed to the standard MPL table used in many australian elections, eg this and this. What are your opinions? I am obviously against the changes. Timeshift 19:02, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

It seems
From order and freds talk pages that you guys went for ages the other night (well at least more than ten minutes after I left) - could i still get that favour you offered? SatuSuro 04:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Still lots of ideas from then - will have to try to consolidate a whole range of ideas before I can communicate it succinctly. I did the traditional satusuro splat everywhere on the robson reverter - all is well now, but ...

Thanks very much for the email -up and running already SatuSuro 04:31, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Rocks indeed - hadnt read any part of the issues properly... oops- it was 2am his time - and he was at 0 degrees - and I was complaining about our temp. I think he more or less ignored my rubbish by the way he responded. and accepted my apology, which was a great relief SatuSuro 13:32, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Old aquinians is up for afd again...SatuSuro 13:37, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Hheheh trust you to see that! I copied gnangs i was so impressedby the subtle colour issue.... SatuSuro 12:39, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

YUK is all I can say SatuSuro 12:44, 4 February 2007 (UTC)  What a relief - but all b/ws this week or...? SatuSuro 23:24, 4 February 2007 (UTC) I keep enlarging mine and thats about all... hope to get commonist up and running sometime next week once i have labelled the photos (had hoped this week) then there'll be fun ( i hope) SatuSuro 23:31, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Re That robert powell ref i added at old jarrah tree - I have decided robert powell needs an art - would you have anything on him that could help? I am going to check henrietta for his pub'n list SatuSuro 23:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah I just disambig moved him robert powell (actor) - and may start robert powell (author) this am - just a pub list - i used to work in the same office as him at calm about 198... cant even remember the year anymore - but i'd thought i'd ask first just in case... SatuSuro 23:46, 4 February 2007 (UTC) cripes oh no another dick (at freds talk) will it ever end? SatuSuro 00:19, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Gmail
Did you get forwarding sorted out? click on Settings | Forwarding and POP. &mdash;Moondyne 15:34, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Mallee
I'd probably merge the geology and biogeography - they're a fairly logical combination and it'd get rid of one tiny section. Otherwise it looks really good, nice work. --Peta

VCs
Thanks for the help. The migration was one of the first projects I worked on for WP, unfortunately it has left over 1300 spam links with the closure of the original site. The big list is here if you're interested. --Peta 00:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Nuytsia
Good move. I chickened out, re previous discussions. &mdash;Moondyne 06:00, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

2 bobs worth
I always thought when we went to inters - as we called them last century - that it was the Public schools association - but in this era of constant change - its probably a new aggregation - but moodyne might have a better answer...sigh SatuSuro 12:01, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

exterminate!
Mrg Riv Vn SatuSuro 00:39, 6 February 2007 (UTC) Phew! 10x is enough! SatuSuro 00:40, 6 February 2007 (UTC) Shouldnt the block log show up against the user - or if it is a multiple user ip address does it hide in some way? SatuSuro 00:46, 6 February 2007 (UTC) Thanks for your explanation SatuSuro 09:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC) I have sent you an email - quite concerned about what has happened at ...m if you need the full lowdown - check my contribs re this issue please... SatuSuro 11:50, 7 February 2007 (UTC) I hope its all clear and straight forward...SatuSuro 11:58, 7 February 2007 (UTC) I have asked just another to look at the whole thing - I'll put it up after they have responded - as it needs clarifying. but please watch it for me - ta :) SatuSuro 12:05, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * heheheh that would let the cat police out? SatuSuro 23:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * RE the coi - I decided to not put it up on the board - but just wait and see - as i have another more complicated coi issue in the indonesia project at the same time...  point taken on your humourous suggestion though... SatuSuro 23:56, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Promise wont offer a commentary on every thing you do on your user page - but the map - what boundaries are they? bioregions from whose perspective? SatuSuro 01:44, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for going to the trouble to explain - the fact that you have such a good handle on it would augur well for further development of the explanation of all the crazy regions of wa in that article that you started - I do have a selection of the beard reports - not the whole set though - the green covered texts with maps inside... - imagine you have access to the full range though :) -  SatuSuro 03:05, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Feel really presssed to start about ten to twelve stubs about wa enviroment groups -really dont want to as dont have the really good sources to hand - but if the great walk goes -will probably send some bitching emails - need to get this stuff out of my system - no need to respond though :) SatuSuro 12:34, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


 * heheh - what a pair! SatuSuro 23:28, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Nah - thanks for the explanation - my response is satusuro style - if you see my items re the great walk issue at others talk pages you can tell i need a good swim today or it will all break loose!!! its so dam frustrating that there are so few good overview books - I mean beth schultz, and basil schur are articles - but the groups are damned annoying re v and n... oh well.. cheers

desert issue

 * that was careless - it was http://www.australianexplorer.com/tanami_desert.htm - at least it is not one of the wiki derivative web sites that pinch from the pedia - the looping gets me confused sometimes SatuSuro 09:21, 6 February 2007 (UTC) I probably wont get back to that article for a few days by the look of real life at the moment SatuSuro 09:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Nav boxes
The VCs are finished! Thanks for your help. In a totally unrelated vein, are you, or do you know anyone that is good at making nav boxes? The Year in Australia series could really use a nice box to replace the ugly see also's they open with. The generic year articles have a nice box, but I'm lost in the syntax. --Peta 10:38, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Not a bad idea, it'd need a lot fewer fields. Some of the more recent years are already using the year box (or some variation of it) - this might take some more planning than I expected. --Peta 11:08, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Asking cj is a good idea; I need to ask him about getting the day in Australia implemented on the portal soonish too.--Peta 11:31, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

a Question
Hi Hesp this diff can the edit summary be remove or the edit removed altogether as User talk:Kirsten07734 has requested that the summary be altered to remove her name. Is there a policy that permits this to happen or would GFDL/GNU requirement prevent it. If possible just point me in the right direction and I'll follow up on whats required. Gnangarra 11:18, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * thanks I'll go with the first option Gnangarra 11:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Nice maps, why didnt you put them in a category while uploading? Gnangarra 12:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * If when uploading you put a new cat in its stays a red link until you go to the page, so that you could have added the cat now and then taken out the red link later. Gnangarra 12:33, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
For the notices about the archive and the meet up. I hope to make it to the next one. Cheers, Grant | Talk 02:54, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Concern
No rush on this one - category 'conservation in western australia' seems very institutionally after the fact filled at the moment - I am wondering whether the cat that is at the cons council new stub might confuse some? LCC rules at NLA and henreitta do in fact separate groups/issues similarly as it is found here in wikipedia - but wondering whether the diff - lobbying and 'conservation groups/organisations' - not being put in a category sounding the same might need some text inside the cat two cats to make a good distinction for later users/editors ? If I have lost you - let me know and I'll send a longer email about the issue.... SatuSuro 01:38, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Great minds? nah - as I was doing this you were doing that. I really think I will have to send a long email about this - as conservation in wa is about what is done by the governmtne and institutions - usually in responjse to the legacy of the organisations - the environ organisations are what force the politicans to do the conservation....  cripes another swim.... SatuSuro 01:41, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * At last - something we disagree on! :)  - rather than an email - here it is for full view... sigh....

''Okay, I think I see your point, but I'm not sure I agree. The logging protesters weren't engaged in conservation? ''

Nope they were activitsts trying to get things to be conserved...

''Sure they were, at the grassroots. The Great Walk people weren't engaged in conservation?''

A bloody social gathering if there ever was one - they didnt conserve a thing

 Sure they were - raising awareness of conservation issues is an important part of conservation

Ahah - heres the rub - activism and trying to promote something is not the act itself.

 Often these grassroots groups are more important to conservation than the administrative bodies that take credit for the outcomes.

Couldnt agree more (being a life member of one of them for good reason)

I do'' think that the conservation category should eventually be subcategorised by topic; e.g. environmental conservation versus heritage conservation. But that's a different kettle of fish.'' ''On another note, I object to the hijacking of the word "environment". Beekeepers are just as environmental as bushwalkers are just as environmental as logging companies are just as environmental as feral conservationists are just as environmental as eco-tourism companies. But "environment" has unfortunately been co-opted to refer specifically to conservation of the environment. On those grounds, I would rename the "Environmental organisations" category to "Conservation organisations in Australia" or "Environmental conservation organisations in Australia".''

Remy position above - I would seriously object to conflating into that final category - and would reach for every dictionary I have ( hmmm) to argue strongly against that with prejudice and prolonged verbosity if necessaity :) This whole thing feels like an invitation to another good willed beer swill - I'm buying the first round again... :) gotts go to a doctors appointment, will be back later... SatuSuro 02:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

culla
Yeah except I got in first to growl menacingly at the reviewer. You'll have to be the voice of reason this time round. Gnangarra
 * Did you see Talk:Ivanhoe, Victoria? (more particularly the notice up top) Not even sure what one would do in such a situation, I can see why he would want it gone but I'm not even sure that Wikipedia policy allows for such a thing (although the conv on Gnangarra's page made me think of bringing it up anyway). Came up on my watchlist, was all... Orderinchaos78 13:16, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Username
Actually, the name was discussed and approved as "clear consensus allow." See discussion archived here.

OGF
One way in...http://www.daffa.gov.au/rfa http://schools.wafa.org.au/where.htm  http://www.green.net.au/adan/index2.html  for a start SatuSuro 12:52, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Also another email with an odd esperance item :) SatuSuro 12:55, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Doh you already had it - :) SatuSuro 12:57, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Another lead in another email...SatuSuro 12:59, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Perth Roads
Just giving you a heads up that the block was added to the bottom of almost every remaining article in that category (i.e. the ones created by Daniel and myself in January) - eg Safety Bay Road, Rockingham. :/ Orderinchaos78 03:56, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I have put a comment up - hope ti got to the right talk page - just sw all your moving things... SatuSuro 04:10, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * An email or two SatuSuro 04:25, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks to you too - love the ref- is there any way that we can check for other west oz place names easily for something like that on the usgs database?  Im off to the tip now - but will checck later SatuSuro 04:42, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I removed non-relevant transclusions per talk and also reworked the box a bit to be less bulky. Orderinchaos78 06:27, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that
Symbolic start one too! Roaring Forties - still have to do the screaming sixties - somehow think at some there'll have to be disambigs for age groups from a culture somewhere in the world... SatuSuro 10:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * BTW http://www.naturebase.net/pdf/nature/forest/map6_dec2003_6.pdf downloaded very oddly for me  - but its another clue in the cat and mouse ogf trail... SatuSuro 12:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Cross chat
Have symbolically shot myself in the foot at my talk page and burdened your gmail with probably an unnecessary selection of items - all probably due for the discard button....cheers SatuSuro 12:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Cullacabardee
Could you have a quick look at the Geography section I just wrote? It is mostly a composite of sources although the wording is largely mine, so if you can see any obvious way to improve it feel free :) The absence of an informative geography section was identified at GAR as an issue needing rectification. I've emailed you the key section of the N430 source referenced in it. Orderinchaos78 15:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Fantastic - thanks for that :) I checked up and found out the responsibility for assigning and managing such areas now belongs to the Department of Water, while Planning & Infrastructure manages applications to build on the land. Thanks for picking that one up! Orderinchaos78 03:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

words
I am very very sorry but I simply have a problem with blending activism with the resultant actions - its a bit like conflating a verb with a noun in my perception. I believe that government agencies and bodies are empowered to act upon issues by promoting or actually implementing 'conservation' and I do realise that I have to acknowledge that people do call a lot of groups 'conservation groups ' usually in disctinction against 'developers' or bodies wishing to remove or alter the environment. As a consequence of my position - I would prefer to have redirects/indicators - of the diffciulty jo punter (wikipedia readers) might have with the three (in my mind) separate words and implications from them - environmentalism, conservation, and activitism. I simply havent had the chance to check my dictionaries texts/library caetgorization schemes to back up or refute my position - but if you go ahead with creating a category - I am simply voicing my consern re general usages/undertsanding/reading of the words and would prefer to keep the separation where possible... but hey the whole issue is well worth at least 2 rounds the next meetup! SatuSuro 01:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Gardens
I'm reorganising the Aus. bot gardens set up. Can you answer my question?--Peta 04:51, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

List of natural sciencey guys
I started with Charles Edward Lane-Poole but he is so interesting I have am still thinking about and researching him, and his notable wife. They both probably deserve pages. Thanks for the lead.

I still have to make a description for the Santalum album stub, I will study the Banskia project to work out the right level of detail and jargon first. Regards, Fred 12:49, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


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