User talk:Hesperian/Archive 20


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Mediation needed
Hi Hesp. Can you informally mediate a dispute? User:Fancyfootwork is changing the names of a whole lot of WA places from "X, Western Australia" to "X Community, Western Australia", on the basis that they are Aboriginal communities. I don't know about you, but I'm very uncomfortable about this for several reasons. I have attempted to explain my reasons to him at his talk page (under "Kalumburu"), but we can't seem to agree on much. As I have always found you to be a fair-minded person I would be grateful for a third opinion. Grant | Talk 02:11, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

The obvious question is why do Oombulgirri, Bidyadanga and Lombidina have both names? Perhaps they used to be communities but have since been gazetted as towns. Or perhaps they used to be towns, but were "demoted" to communities because, for example, the post office pulled out. Or perhaps they were gazetted as towns before the decision was made to distinguish between towns and communities. We need to find answers to these questions before we can decide whether these three should be at "Name" or "Name Community". How is this ascertained?Fancyfootwork 04:49, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

New article
Hi Hesp. Thanks for your help so far. I just added our material to Katherine, Northern Territory and this time with references. Also I talked to my staff and we will be more sensitive and write more not just copy it. Uluru was a little bit strange due to the fact, there is a campaign running at the moment and someone wanted to have our information on Wikipedia asap. For my (private) German translation for de.wikipedia.org I will do it in a better way. And yes I am patient but not always on Monday :-) Thanks again! Nttc

Stuff
If they did it, we cannot be held... etc etc... looks good! SatuSuro 08:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC) BTW I added the full ref - as like all stuff its biased in its own way anyways.... :) cheers SatuSuro 13:53, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

images
I just saw related to an item on my watchlist, is this a correct action? while its not a big deal for me personally I think an election article without pics of the leaders is a bit silly... DanielT5 22:31, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * ah cool thanks for that! Yeah it's a pity about that :/ (pictures a Wikipedia paparazzi army hidden in trees and shrubs around our wealthier suburbs...) DanielT5 02:57, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Maps
Thanks for your comments, I stole the distribution map idea frmm the Banksia articles because it does make quite a difference to the quality of the item. If imitation is the best form of flattery then i hope you definitely feel flattered!

Cheers HelloMojo 11:52, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Wandoo
Eucalyptus accedens and Eucalyptus zopherophloia articles both describe themselves as having common name "Powder-barked Wandoo". Would this be correct, and for bonus points, are there other types of Wandoo other than Powder-barked? &mdash;Moondyne 14:21, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Cheers! &mdash;Moondyne 14:36, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Bikeshedding - wheres the glossary? ~!SatuSuro
 * here. ;-) Hesperian 13:54, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * So true so true - I understand it I have been on enough committees i should have recognised it immediately :))) SatuSuro 15:38, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey Hesperian,

Why is the Mt. Henry Peninsula page a snowball (I personally don't quite understand the term) also, is this good or bad?

thanx

--talk to symode09's or Spread the love! 01:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Follow the link. Hesperian 01:53, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Aquinas FAC
Your update and comments just popped up on my watch list for WP:WA regarding this FAC nom. I understand your pain with this one, and i've just lodged the first of what I hope will be a flood of oppose votes on this nom -- thewinchester 02:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's our job to advertise any FACs or GACs related to Western Australia, regardless of their worthiness. The refs are not *as* bad as the last time but are still unverifiable - I don't think they have got the point quite yet :/ I really don't like having to write negative stuff about other people's work (this is my first oppose vote for Aquinas). Orderinchaos 03:05, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Botanical collectors active in Australia
Should there be a similar Category:Botanical artists active in Australia?? I can think of a few. &mdash;Moondyne 09:23, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * This was discussed in your absence here and here. But it's never too late to register a dissenting opinion. Lemma see now: Ferdinand Bauer, Celia Rosser, Sydney Parkinson... and I'm stumped.
 * My connection is playing up. It stays up for no more than a couple of minutes before dropping out, so this message will probably be the one and only contribution from me tonight.
 * Hesperian 11:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, I don't feel strongly about it but it's interesting to see it has been discussed. Other candidates: Olive Pink, Rosa Fiveash and Rica Erickson.   There's another Tasmanian lady whose name I can't think of but is on the tip of my tongue.  &mdash;Moondyne 14:28, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

:)
Good article. I will try to add something to it. Fred 13:43, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Accepted Name
Actually, yes, because if there are 7 synonyms for the same tree, then which one is the accepted one? It is important that we point it out. ILDIS LegumeWeb points it out, as do other databases. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dcarlson (talk • contribs) 06:31, 12 April 2007 (UTC).

Accepted Name
No problem. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dcarlson (talk • contribs) 06:53, 12 April 2007 (UTC).

Hmm
Hahaha!!! (Sorry, amused me.) Orderinchaos 07:34, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * me to, but we are a weird mob Gnangarra 08:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Revis whatever
Its not often I fault you; and a very minor one at that! &mdash;Moondyne 13:13, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

banksia/dryandra dist map
Something to ponder on a quiet night, Does this map need up dating or are the dryandra distributions already covered. Gnangarra 14:31, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Thomas Dixon
Hey there, I've been considering lately that Thomas Dixon should probably link directly to Thomas Dixon, Jr., as that article probably has dominant usage (see here); not going to do anything without some kind of consensus between us, I am a major contributor to that article, and you are the major contributor to Thomas Hill Dixon, which is probably the second most used TD. Just feeling it out for now, let me know what you think... - HammerHeadHuman (talk)(work) 00:36, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Right then, I'll get on it. Thanks again! (from me, and my Dixon) - HammerHeadHuman (talk)(work) 21:15, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Redirects
Thanks for the advice & info - Thewinchester (talk) 06:53, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Advice needed
Bit concerned by this one. A user appears to be cut-and-paste moving articles, then  within only a few minutes (and in the case of Hamersley, in the *same* minute) has changed links to them all over Wikipedia, even in talk page archives. Both users' talk pages and contribs suggest this has been an issue several times before - and with articles which are not even vaguely related, although some recent Sibenordy changes related to another main page featured article. I was able to fix Hamersley and the 25 or so changes with rollback within about 10 minutes of it occurring, but I was really, really unsure how to proceed as far as warnings or whatever, or letting the Wikipedia community know this might be an infrequent problem. Orderinchaos 06:39, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Aquinas College References
Whoa! ive just cut out a crap-load of first-party references, damn undoing all of the work i did previously was crazy! (NEVER EVER first party reference again!), i was just wondering, there are still some first-party references on things such as Scholarship Information, Fees (day, boarding & intl), college masterplan, old aquinians website, and aquinas college foundation - can you direct me as to which of these must go/stay etc etc? im slightly confuzzled. Thanks Twenty Years 10:41, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Nats journal
good to see you got that up - I have a very extensive run - should be uncovering and ordering it in about two months time - will try to find the diff covers to scan and put in the art if you or someone lese hasnt done it before me SatuSuro
 * My wikistress level was about to go from 0 to who knows what about the Lake Dora thing - about to create the Tassie one as relief :) SatuSuro 03:58, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Cannot wait till 7 am next tuesday to talk about some of it :( SatuSuro 04:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Love the 'done' tick! SatuSuro 04:16, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * There might be an oops with stuff against John Hyde - I suspect I didnt check redirects before creating the American missionary's one - could you give it a quick once over if youre on for a few minutes? SatuSuro 04:56, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Completely mystified why there isnt an art on the JH local wa guy - unless they have his inits/other names SatuSuro 05:02, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

and um when did hndis start? SatuSuro 05:04, 18 April 2007 (UTC) Thanks for your help today, off to the coal mine and teenagers now :) SatuSuro 05:15, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Meetup
Can't make it to the meeting with Jimbo? Grant | Talk 05:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC) Email/gmail about from where and when SatuSuro 09:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Regions
Thanks for the cleanup - meant to after my pathetic edit from last night. More to do - thanks for what you did SatuSuro 09:06, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Who likes short-shorts?
Hark! - The Herald angel's bub; sorry 'bout the new-born stub.
 * I found a reference to this when I was looking for something else. Hope it goes some way towards my redemption.  Regards, Anon

Whoops, that was sloppy. Thanks, Fred 11:17, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks. I will send you the address for scans of documents relating to early australian troublemakers in a few minutes. I will just check which I have read already. Fred

It must be quiet around here
All I see is messages from me above here. Am I missing something? Do we accept non-editing red links with no known wikipedia usage to the meetup? SatuSuro 01:44, 23 April 2007 (UTC) Order has vouched for two but that leaves still too many unknowns so I understand your point. Wah fred and self as the two henchpersons of the west, duck! the civilised world will quake :) SatuSuro 05:19, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

More PD images
FYI: These seem to have been made available in Feb 2007. Not the best sketches I've seen, but I dropped one onto Santalum acuminatum. Quandong popped up on my watchlist and I hope to complete what I started with Sandalwood. Nomenclature is even more of a problem! Fred 05:11, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Index of /library/exhibitions/olive_pink/botanical_paintings

Addendum: she would make an interesting article. Olive Pink - she does!

Flickr
- are 5266, 5264 and 5109 different? (5262 is the same tree as 5264) Also trying to identify 5267. Happy to upload any of these to Commons but it probably makes sense to know where they can be used first :) Orderinchaos 08:16, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Stat Divs
Not sure! Haven't seen any, and I'm not entirely sure that they're notable (it'd be difficult to write about them as they are totally arbitrary - beyond saying they were created in 1976 and have a certain population and certain components), but I think we'll probably end up with, for example a Statistical divisions of (state) article which can list them, giving populations for each back to 1976 when the current lot were created (a different system of dividing them was used previously). When I'm not snowed under that may just be one of the next things I do. Orderinchaos 14:21, 23 April 2007 (UTC) +e Orderinchaos


 * my answer would be what about play2upnow.com.au - a very straenge entryee for the demogs of australia category? eh? SatuSuro 14:49, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

%
Scary stuff. that is the one good thing about being an old bugger I suppose. I'll send you an email shortly. &mdash;Moondyne 04:30, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Bessie
Exactly what I needed, thanks mate. The White article is very good, I read it years ago. I'm running out of excuses to avoid pushing it out. Fred 08:10, 24 April 2007 (UTC) Thankyou - once again. Your response was illuminating. I will send you some notes on various matters later. I hope they will be as useful. Best regards, Fred 07:36, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Statistical geography
Hello, Hesperian.

I'm the guy who changed this article into a redirect page. I see that you have changed it back.

I honestly think that the two terms "statistical geography" and "spatial analysis" are synonymous. I'm not an expert, but I have done a quick review of the literature, and this really does appear to be the case. I've started a discussion on the article's talk page, and I'd like to get your input over there.

Thanks! DavidCBryant 14:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Electoral districts of Queensland
Thanks for letting me know. I'll look at them at some stage, but I tend to be pretty directionless in editing terms - no guarantees I'll get to them soon! Cheers, Slac speak up! 10:52, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

image
Off hand check Kulin, Western Australia it got a couple, ii'll dig and see what I've got as well Gnangarra 12:02, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I've got nothing to improve on what already there, is Borden inside or outside the area. Got some from there but they have stirling range in back ground. Gnangarra 14:46, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe even http://www.liswa.wa.gov.au/wepon/land/html/wheat12.html Gnangarra 14:49, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

79
Yup - give me about the time it takes to rustle a few things... I have the 31st december 78 edition of the sunday times beside me happy anniversary western australia yuk my shed is begiinng to reveal its secrets at last, sighSatuSuro 13:23, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Talk:WAY 1979. Talking to yourself?  Oh dear.  Img needs a source.  &mdash;Moondyne 03:35, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Austrobaileya articles
Greetings, friend! A while back I think you had offered to hunt down a few articles for me if need be. I've been looking for the following articles but haven't been able to locate them through interlibrary loan (I doubt any library in the Pacific Northwest carries these or is willing to send them to me): Unfortunately, the source that cites these (IPNI) doesn't provide article titles or full page range, so I'm not sure if there are several articles on Stylidium taxonomy in the 2000 volume. I can't even find a table of contents list online that will give me this information, so I doubt my interlibrary loan would even be able to track it down by this info alone. Any ideas? Would you be able to obtain these for me? No hurry on that--I'm still translating the latin text from the old 1908 monograph. Best, --Rkitko (talk) 07:09, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * A.R.Bean -- Austrobaileya 5(4) (2000). (page around 613 - 631?)
 * A.R.Bean -- Austrobaileya 5(3) (1999). (page around 451?)
 * Full citations are a big help! Thanks! Now at least if I send away for the article it won't be returned with pages missing. And yep, I've exhausted what I've found at FloraBase, APNI, IPNI, etc. etc. I'm extremely determined, but being in the US doesn't help much when investigating these plants! Nuytsia is published in Western Australia, correct? I can normally get those here since it has a wider circulation, but if I run into trouble I'll give you a ring. I didn't realize Austrobaileya was so hard to obtain. Makes it a difficult resource, but one that has a lot of information I need in order to create more articles with accurate taxonomy sections. Well anyway, thanks again for getting those citations and the helpful link. I think I'll send AR Bean a note. Best, --Rkitko (talk) 07:58, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

B.menzesii
Its already got a distribution map see the talk page. Gnangarra 13:32, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Uni flying
I was going to try to find if it was the only one in oz - which would have made it notable - and you undid it all? sigh SatuSuro 05:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC) Sorry to have bothered you - it all started at the Worst Oztrilian 27th April - with Celebrating an important part of western australian aviation (of which we do not have an article) - and I realised the snippets - including some stuff on norman brearely  - obviously from the civil aviation historical soceity of WA - was giving some useful bits and a check on the web there are some good arts  and follow ups - as - rather than putting up the thing on the project page - I was going to put stubs up for the royal aero club - and a few others first - anyways going in a million directions as always - I thought I had sighted something about the uni flying clubs the only of its sort - but leigh edminds article about the accidents and fialures of the 1930's looks far more productive - and surely at least 10 stubs could be developed from his art rather than struggling with the uni one anyways. oh well SatuSuro 05:44, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Feeling v frustrated about not having Category:Australian maritime history - I dont think it is sufficient just to have a part of the WP Australia project with maritime =yes insert only - what do you think? SatuSuro 07:17, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Mechanical rating
I'm hoping to clear out the 270-odd plant species in "unknown importance WA articles" with regard to the WA-importance rating tag for our project. Can you indicate whether any of the items on User:Orderinchaos/Ratings list WA merit a WA-importance rating higher than Low? (I'm suspecting some would, like Eucalyptus diversicolor etc, but this isn't really my area :)) Cheers Orderinchaos 11:14, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that :) Just means I can do those ones, take them out of the list then run AWB on the others. If anyone disagrees with any importance rating handed out for WA they can simply change it, it's meant to be fairly loose and common-sense anyway. Orderinchaos 11:51, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Images
Just so you know:


 * Image:Banksia_menziesii_Apr_07.jpg (5266)
 * Image:Banksia_Ardleigh.jpg (5264)
 * Image:Banksia_Warwick_Feb_07.jpg (5109) (prob Crocinae)
 * Image:Banksia_Warwick_Feb_07_2.jpg (5107) - full tree.

Finally got around to these tonight. Orderinchaos 12:15, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Gotcha
Well that's one way of cutting down the workload. I'm still discovering important articles which I lost contact with when I rebuilt my watchlist from scratch last year. Just last night I found that somehow I no longer had my favourite cricketer - Fred Spofforth on watch. &mdash;Moondyne 00:41, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * cough cough splutter you have 8,160 pages on your watchlist (excluding talk pages) beams out at me with a glear and grin, :( sigh cough cough splutter SatuSuro 01:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for blocking the confirmed sockpuppets of Codeplowed. Happy editing! --ElKevbo 01:57, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It appears that he or she may have registered a new sockpppet. I'd be happy to file another RFCU if you'd like but his or her only contribution is right in line with Codeplowed's modus operandi.  --ElKevbo 13:05, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * And add WarAgainstTerror to the list of suspected sockpuppets based on his or her only contribution. --ElKevbo 14:28, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Categories
If a person was born in one state but lived most of their adult life and died in another, is it reasonable for them to be in two categories Category:People from xxx, or should we just use the birth state ?? &mdash;Moondyne 14:00, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help. &mdash;Moondyne 00:38, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Shipwrecks
I wouldn't go quite that far, but thanks for the compliment! &mdash;Moondyne 01:41, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Cats
Category:Regional WikiProjects - NT, Tas, Vic, WA, would be eligible yes? (I feel a need for second party verification before I tag em :)  )  sorry for the bother  SatuSuro 03:49, 1 May 2007 (UTC) Ta - after last night I'll tread carefully for a few edits - and then get back into my bad habits (problem with switching between Indonesian project and Australian project too much)   cheers SatuSuro 03:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Do I read this that you believe Cat:MHA should be cat:AMH? &mdash;Moondyne 04:19, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Potential conflict of shortcuts and mistakes with Australian Military History is the reason for the MHA? yes? SatuSuro 04:22, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * "Nope" to Moondyne, "Huh?" to SatuSuro.
 * We have "Category:Maritime history of Australia", but "WikiProject Australian Maritime History", and that's just fine with me. I was saying that WP:AMH may be placed in the Regional WikiProjects category, because by virtue of its name it is constrained to a particular region. Hesperian 04:29, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Uhuh- nobutyeah - I thought a possible reason for usage at category/shortcut or name was to avoid being confused with the military project mob. All in the imagination ? / ok back to cat tagging SatuSuro 04:35, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * To confirm, I was talking about the maritime issue, so thanks for interpreting my vague note and answering. Cheers. &mdash;Moondyne 04:46, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks guys for clarifying all that - apologies for my usual, cheers SatuSuro 04:52, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Orchids of WA
I have just unearthed a very small bit of my sheds treasures and find i have a copy of the 2nd ed of hoffman and brown. I would like to do a list of common names against the latin (27 genera w common names)
 * (1) would it be better as a separate list (2) would it spoil current article if included -- your humble opinion would be much appreciated  SatuSuro 07:25, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

OK a table in the latter half of art with genera names right hand side common left hand side as found in ed above. probably alpha ord of common to give ease of access cheers (biblical this aft?) SatuSuro 08:01, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Could you please give it the once over - probably access to the third edition will require modifications - but for the ordinary reader - it will be better than what the art was ... sigh SatuSuro 10:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

wow! thanks for the tweaks - hey I think I know of heaps of arts I can do that to now - whee!, er um later maybeSatuSuro 11:56, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

User:Curtinuniversity
HI guys I dont have the time ATM to check out what this guys edits to CU article where like, but the ed claims to be from Curtin Uni corporate department. Gnangarra 10:48, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm on it. &mdash;Moondyne 10:56, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

sockpuppeteer you blocked has two new accounts, new SSP report filed
Hello. I thought you might want to know about this new development with a sockpuppet user you blocked. It appears User:Codeplowed is back with two new accounts and disrupting the same talk page again.

New SSP report has been filed here: Suspected sock puppets/Codeplowed (2nd)

For reference, here is the link to the archived report you closed at ANI when you blocked the accounts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive235#Codeplowed_sockpuppets

If you have the time, the editors on that article would appreciate your input on this. I'm an uninvolved third-party who showed up from helping with the original alert at WP:WQA and have posted some diffs in the new report. Thanks, have a good day! --Parzival418 Hello 21:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Vegies
roll on the 10k watchlist. Presume you'll want photos I've put the list on my watch, will check from time to time for blue links. If there are any you think I will have images of just drop a note. Gnangarra 02:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Julia Gillard image
this image was not copyrighted! why was it removed? (Anna Vida 07:04, 2 May 2007 (UTC))

Images
Firstly i do not appreciate being threatened by you (i'm sure that isn't wikipedia policy), and secondly the images that I have uploaded are fair use images as i stated. And besides that, who do you think you are telling me what i should or should not be doing, you have no aurthority over me, just because you are a computer nerd and have no other life than wikipedia doesn't mean that you can assert authority, stop being rude (although that seems to be a common trend among wikipedian administrators)! (Anna Vida 10:36, 2 May 2007 (UTC))

RE:Anna
Then she needs to be blocked for trolling. Gherkin30 11:30, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


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