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Australian Timber pages
Hi there, Very new to Wiki, I see your point though, will refine my additions to the very specific speci only. Also, I do actually regret that there are no pictures of the actual timber on these pages, as the australian timbers can be so wild and amazingly figured, and so few people even know what they look like inside. So I think those additions are relative. Sometimes the timber is prettier than the flowers! NeriumKristina 21:45, 5 July 2007

BT
Just looking at it noticed lead is only one para? Gnangarra 13:30, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That rule shits me; I think the lead is a good size. But yes, you're right - we need to expand it to two or three before taking it for FAC, or we're just asking for people to oppose per WP:LEAD. I'll have a look tomorrow. Hesperian 13:39, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah I wondered on that. The other issue is the gallery which looks a bit funny and may come in for some hastle. I'll have a look through it further. cheers, Cas Liber | talk  |  contribs 20:21, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

AWB
There I am going through the un rated importance article and a handful of names I havent heard of turn with high rating for Aus law. Gave them a low WA importance then decided to go back an see why law was high and surprise surprise the articles had been csd(in February) and the talk pages with headers were all that was left ;) Gnangarra 10:58, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No worries needed to move some kids around, thought they could stay awake long enough to watch Shrek. Judges are difficult case:) they get mentioned alot in the news, but do they rate as notable. An interesting Essay could written about that, IMHO I'd think supreme court or above - notable. Gnangarra 12:11, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Bond
Not james, no martini - the crook - my reversion - I'd appreciate a review - ive been hassling cj but he looks busy :) if you are not, ta SatuSuro 05:06, 3 June 2007 (UTC) Thanks as always - trying to get off takes half an hour these days :( SatuSuro 05:17, 3 June 2007 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMAS_Sydney_%281934%29#Final_battle.2C_disappearance_and_searches might interest you SatuSuro 05:32, 3 June 2007 (UTC) http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/hmas-sydney-find-nonsense/2007/06/03/1180809320635.html also SatuSuro

B.t. done
Banksia telmatiaea reviewed. Circeus 02:43, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

watercourses
I think the intention was good - but from an un knowing point of view making something even more disambig problem than there was ! could not get my head around fixing the issue though - one of my  west tas arts  was on the west tas king river cheers - btw found a really good art thats even better than the abc program about elsupremo (my thinking, was it worth going to meetup territory all those months ago) - its link is on the other computer will let you know it later today SatuSuro 00:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Just checking my WA astronomy almanac for breakfast and june has 2 full moons - that probably explains a lot - wikipedia servers and their glitches last night and so on :( SatuSuro 01:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Theres something somewhere about contemplating entrails -(yuk) but pedia wise I found part of this ones - http://ganglia.wikimedia.org/ heheh SatuSuro 01:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

A-class
Bleh. I still think it should. If an article can't become GA, I don't see how it could be assessed as "just a notch below FA". And I'm not reverting Leptospermum. Circeus 00:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I restored the others, even if I'm a bit iffy with plant defense against herbivory, which seems to prove my point.Circeus 00:31, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * "because the lead didn't contain references"
 * This is were I barely hold up a loud scream.Circeus 00:49, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Uromycladium
Hi. The article I cite states that '[t]he rust fungus was introduced into South Africa from Australia in 1987 for the bio-control of Port Jackson, and has successfully established itself throughout the range of this weed' (my emphasis). Are you sure that it also tackles A cyclops ('Rooikrans')? Adam --Adam Brink 06:55, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Finally...
- let me know any you think I should upload, and roughly speaking what name. Most of them (5297-5303) are taken on the grounds at ECU Joondalup. Also got the Wabling Hill mallee article from Battye couple of days ago, been totally swamped elsewhere though so will have a go at it at the weekend. Orderinchaos 21:17, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Apologies
Re talk Australia apologies for not recognising the difference between the format of numerals citing references & numerals citing footnotes. I now understand. Still learning. Best Geoffrey Wickham 06:47, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

You can only try
Saw you edit summary on Gunns, point taken. Thewinchester (talk) 06:52, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Vandal account
Can you block this dude. . He has been spreading nonsense for too long. Prester John 02:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Foundation position?
There is no foundation position. We worked very hard to get this user to stop posting harassing information on his website. All parties were notified. A month and a half later, one of those admins decides to post this: , thereby stirring up a hornets nest all over again. ColScott responded with antagonism, he's not a friendly person to begin with. H blocked him. Remembering the problems from before, I unblocked him. Everything turned into a huge mess. All the Personal Attacks have been on his user page, and they have all been response to antagonism. This is not a friendly man, and nobody should be posting on his page or blocking him for Personal Attacks that are in response to an already sensitive sitaution. I encourage you to unblock, before the whole mess starts all over again. Cary Bass demandez 12:25, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * There is no turning loose!!! This is not about turning someone loose on the project!  He's aware that he's not to involve himself with any users.  But his talk page is not exempt from that.  If people talk to him he will talk back with them.  You can be as disgusted as you want, it won't change the facts.  Some people are habitually nasty.  I don't want him to contribute or interact in any way.  But he is allowed to make corrections to some topics he knows about.  You don't know the full story, and my interest is this project and my users.  I have asked people not to talk to him on his talk page.  They choose to ignore my remarks.  Your blocking him has caused additional problems.  Cary Bass demandez 12:38, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello...
We've never really edited alongside each other. I saw you a few times as an anon editor, but didn't ever really contribute on the same thing, I think. I'd like to kinda say goodbye. In this whole ColScott crazyness, you seem to be sane about it, and I liked your summary of position on the AN board. I'm ticked right now due to something personal on this whole thing, so I'm not unbiased. Ha, I'd just like to think SOMEONE read this, it got removed after a few seconds, and I understand why. I'm likely inflammatory about it, and for that I'm sorry. Since you don't know me, I'll understad if you just delete this comment from your page and never give it a second thought. I'll still be around on my talk page, and still be editing the project, I'm not leaving altogether. But I am going to contribute where able without using talk pages as much, and certainly with no mind to stuff like WP:ANI, etc. Anyway, if you feel like reading something that got removed from the AN page, give this a look. I do find the idea of my words never being read and only being a "ghost in the machine", kind of sad. I wonder if they would have been left on the page if I was non-anon? Probably not. I want to see how this whole thing turns out, but can't see it being good. This is enough drama anyway: Peace, you seem a good fellow/fellette (sic). Raeft 13:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, those Cubs are something else. I understand about you know wanting to say anything more about the current situation, sad as I am about that. I'm on my way to work now. By then, I'll have cooled off, and maybe I'll be grateful the comment was wiped straight off of AN, because maybe by then some rationality will have returned, and the whole foundation will stop using un-announced Office actions to defend harassment junkies. Then again, pigs could also fly. Have a nice day, and if anything interesting happens in this whole discussion, feel free to drop a link to the discussion on my talk page. Not so I can contribute, I know I'd get wiped out/deleted ('m not important enough for my opinions to stick on pages), but just to read. Be well.Raeft 13:42, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

More pics soon...
Will be posting up on Flickr again within the hour - had a nice walk up around Neerabup/Nowergup along a 4WD track with a mate and got some good stuff. Very keen to see how my kangaroo paw worked out too. Orderinchaos 09:40, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Got 'em up there - I'm curious to know what the white one is. Orderinchaos 03:04, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

'upright' picture parameter...
The 'upright' picture parameter gets around thumb'ed portraits having the same horizontal dimension as a landscape, and thus being overly big. More info here. It's worked to reasonable effect in the 'history' section of Indonesia. Note that without it, the two portrait shaped pics would be as wide as the landscape shot. The alternative of course is the clumsy forced pixel size. Clear as mud? Merbabu 05:08, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Crappy? :( Well, it's not perfect, but it's an improvement. Merbabu 05:20, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

COI
Guilty you honour! (but we'll see if its clever enough) &mdash;Moondyne 07:12, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought you were serious. You mean there is no COIbot? &mdash;Moondyne 07:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I'll be buggered. &mdash;Moondyne 23:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

ahah
Mister number 239 I presume? Mister 423 speaking SatuSuro 01:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC) Correction the dump was completed this am our time - its to 27th may if you read the small print or talk page SatuSuro 01:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Unblock request from an old block
Auroranorth, an editor you blocked several months ago for sockpuppetry, is requesting an unblock.--Chaser - T 04:46, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Request has been declined. I am currently in Katanning and have limited access. I'll shortly be offline completely until later tonight. &mdash;Moondyne 06:30, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

For the future
I like working on collabs so I've made a bit of a standing list here as a subpage of my userpage, just in case one comes up to collaborate on in the future if you think I'll like it too. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:29, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Lemme know when you want to do one of the banksia articles.cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

ColScott
I'm thinking of indef blocking him. This is getting ridiculous. Is there any reason at all that I shouldn't? JoshuaZ 14:51, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * What is getting ridiculous? What would be the reason?  What prompted this latest outburst? I haven't even edited anything since the last outburst. ColScott 18:52, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Col, I took a look at your block log and realized how obscenely long it is. Hesp, could you expand on your someone cryptic remark on my talk page? JoshuaZ 02:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I hope you enjoyed the viewage as much as we enjoyed bringing it to you.  But, unfortunately, a long block log is not grounds for more blocking.  Have a nice day. ColScott 04:45, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Feel free to join us
--Vintagekits 00:39, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Email
I've sent you an email. JoshuaZ 14:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I realized that shortly after I sent you the email. JoshuaZ 01:12, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Commas or parentheses for scientific name in opening sentence and elsewhere
(Now that was a long header wasn't it?) There's a debate here about commas versus parentheses for scientific names for organisms (well in this case birds). I'm not sure whether this has been raised elsewhere but would be good to establish once and for all here and could apply as MOS across all biology articles. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

**** This lets take all 3 to FAC
Right - triple whammy - lets take Banksia spinulosa, Banksia ericifolia and Banksia telmatiaea to FAC (well the first two need quite a bit of tidying and reffing) - how much you wanna do to no. 3? cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * with Banksia telmatiaea can we wait for two weeks I've got a new camera coming from Singapore next week. will be able to get even better detail. Gnangarra 00:46, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, there's no rush. Plenty of other things to do. :-) Hesperian 00:47, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Series Banksia
Sorry for the horrible bolding brainfart there... Circeus 23:37, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I see the point about Banksia,and I sort of agree and disagree because it's "only for stub amd start articles." While I see the point that the article as a whole is then usually inappropriate, I have a visceral annoyance with overlong taxoboxes the stretch beyond the article (although that is more of an irrational editing fiat.) I haven't looked much after other articles because it rapidly gets tiring to do these changes.
 * As for the subsp. thing, I agree. I should have looked into it a bit more (although since "subspecies") was given,I still think it was a bit unnecesary. Circeus 00:30, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

CofY anyone?
Thanks. &mdash;Moondyne 05:03, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Secure
I didn't realize what it was doing... oh well, leave it to me to screw up; I guess I shouldn't use AWB at 2:00 AM anymore. I'd love to fix it, but I'm leaving right now (literally, my bag is already packed and waiting at my feet) for a three-day trip where I won't have either AWB or time, so unfortunately, I would have to ask that someone else fix it unless everyone is willing to wait until I return. I'm really sorry for this combined error/inconvenience :( . RyanGerbil10 (Don't ask 'bout Camden) 14:35, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Proposed naming conventions
Would you comment on my Proposed_naming_conventions? -Ravedave 02:15, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Obsessive/compulsive tendencies
Have you ever considered this? ;)&mdash;Moondyne 01:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * ... says the man with 50 DYKs. :-D Hesperian 01:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 235 Banksia articles. Hmmm. &mdash;Moondyne 02:31, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Gerrofit youse guys so whose got 10,000 + pages on your watch list then? nah, dont even meet the criteria :|SatuSuro 08:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I'm obsessive/compulsive about keeping my watchlist clean...? Hesperian 15:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course. Don't worry, you passed the test. &mdash;Moondyne 15:07, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks. (Have had a few beers tonight, so am restricting myself to my own talk page. Apologies for not making this conversation impossible to follow, and goodnight.) Hesperian 15:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

"List of Dryandra species"
There's a (small, but annoying) issue with letting George's taxonomic arrangement of Dryandra act as a species list for Dryandra: it leaves Dryandra prionotes linked solely from List of Banksia species. Also, you originally omitted to actually link George,s arrangement from Dryandra, I've fixed that. Circeus 04:24, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * "Whose idea was it to start a WikiProject on an entire genus? That is way too broad a scope" LOL You tell me. User:Djlayton4 has been working on cleaning up material related to aster and its segregates, and is not close to seeing the end of it. I don't even dare thinking to actually work on more than one species in Asclepias, or to revisit Pilosella officinarum and P. aurantiaca.
 * Anyway, I had just assumed that particular change (separating the list) was completed as intended. As is, the best way to deal with this thorny problem (at least until a complete new classification is properly published) might be to simply mention Dryandra prionotes as a species posterior to George. Is it acceptable for Wikipedia to list it under sect. (now subser., I suppose) Armatae? Circeus 05:12, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I did mean place it under Armatae in George's taxonomic arrangement of Dryandra. Circeus 06:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

thoughts
One for someone whos got time to look at check edit history Gnangarra 08:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Burial categories
Well, it looks like the burial categories are going to be kept. You should be exceedingly happy that this was a group nomination; I doubt that such a strong consensus would have been built up for keeping these categories had they been nominated individually.

Could you perhaps find a way to manage and maintain the burial categories once the nomination is closed? At the very least, they could be organized by country.

Also, would you mind if I drafted a decent tabulated list for people buried in a cemetery? I just want to demonstrate that lists can work very nicely. Dr. Submillimeter 09:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Perth Meetup Notification

 * You are invited to a meetup of Western Australian Wikipedians on the 19th August 2007 in the tearooms of Tranby House. Please sign on the Meetup/Perth/3 if you are able to attend. you recieved this message as your account has been active during May, June 2007 and your user page is listed in the Category:Wikipedians in Western Australia Gnangarra 03:25, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Those pesky bots
Good call :)--cj | talk 04:00, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

ProfMozart
Hesperian, I noticed the block on ProfMozart and his self-righteous comment immediately after being unblocked. Perhaps you already know his history of creating silly articles ("Romano German," "Fake Rome") and making absurd claims for his own authority rather than engaging in constructive editing. In any case, if you need to make a case for more stringent measures against him, I am able to help. -- Rob C (Alarob) 15:20, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

silly articles?
hmph - some ip number is cleaning the table up of - List of cities by surface area - what a waste of time - no one has answered the bewildered editor on the talk page either SatuSuro 01:33, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

wtf
Having had an erudite conversation with the tagger - and looking closely at the anglican saints article very late last night, and at the tag this am - unsanctified personages can in fact be considered within he ambit of the tag - however your reaction this am is what exactly i thought last night - the tag for saints is a real copout - and nonetheless I think you could be eligble if you ever had an article about yourself :| SatuSuro 01:34, 30 June 2007 (UTC) Saints in Anglicanism - should fix it all up SatuSuro 03:55, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Swan River Papers
Hi Hesp, I slowly putting together an article on the collection by Battye known as the Swan River Papers, while doing this I found this document which has a fair bit of information with sourcing on Yagan(pg16-20), thought you might be interested. Quickly checking the article references it appears you may not have seen this, I havent compared his sources to yours. Gnangarra 13:07, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Please unblock ProfMozart
please unblock me, i have learned my lesson, and am very sorry. I will not vandalize here anymore, I can satisfy the urge at unencyclopedia. I feel like I can contribute to wiki given the chance. So I ask humbley, with apology in my heart, could you please unblock me, ProfMozart. --63.3.13.131 02:31, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Vote
Hello, Hesperian, I was just wondering if I am eligible to vote in the Wikimedia Board Election? Thanks--ProfMozart 01:22, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hesparian, I hope you don't mind me jumping in here: ProfMozart, no, you are not eligible to vote.  You need to have at least 400 edits to a single project before March 1, 2007.  - Philippe | Talk, Wikimedia Election Committee

User:ProfMozart
I notice you've had some previous interaction with this editor: I noticed that you them previously for copyvio - just a note that they have reposted the same article yet again. - Philippe | Talk 19:39, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Just a head's up, I re-indef blocked him. I've unblocked a few folks for promises of good behavior too and I understand and respect the impulse, but I think in this case, it's the end of the road for ProfMozart. Let me know if you disagree. Cheers. Dina 01:51, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Again, for all your help with the admin process. Grant |  Talk  04:19, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

So-called stunt
We'll agree to disagree on your characterisation of the action. Thewinchester (talk) 13:38, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think threatening to block was a bit much, but so was the l3 warning. My net cafe visits are becoming more and more like watching a bad soap opera that I can at times participate in :) Orderinchaos 02:04, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Guitars
I had heard of them, I can do it between stirring my dinner. I will see about a better reference, a testimonial from their website perhaps?! Speaking of which, anything else, for an editor tacking into the wind, with no particular destination ...? By the way, I spooled through the fiche at Battye last night. The brief (but bloody charming) biographies in "Matters, Leonard W., (Mrs.), Australasians Who Count in London and Who Counts in Western Australia, London, J. Truscott, 1913. contains a curious, perhaps self-, reference to one Muriel Matters.  Do you know anything about these Matters?  Best regards,   ☻ Fred|☝ discussion |✍  contributions  13:39, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Email
No I haven't received an email from you but I did get one Wikipedia-related one two days ago from someone else, so I know that it *should* work. --Melburnian 13:50, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The successful transmission of your email has precluded the need

for your alternative carbon-inefficient proposal. Have replied to same.--Melburnian 14:36, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks very much for your support. I have a left a reply message at thewinchester's talk page. Michellecrisp 14:57, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You may be interested in this comment thewinchester made about me " Needless to say I think it's a joke of an FAR from a user with not enough experience to know how things work around here." User_talk:Fred.e. I don't intend to respond directly to create flame war. Michellecrisp 15:41, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Hands up
if you think this is half as exciting as I do. Hesperian 12:38, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * nice find --Melburnian 13:03, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I cant put my hand I'm sure I'm more than half as excited as you, that would explain Hesps near two day absence, awesome find by the way drawings/plates/etchings at the end are all PD and the pages readily copy as images I presume you have already noticed that. Gnangarra 13:18, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Nah, put my absence down to the hurly-burly of everyday life. To my delight I find that I am not so hopelessly addicted to editing here that I can't occasionally set it aside in the face of other demands upon my time. Hesperian 01:15, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * (In best Borat accent) ..nice. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:42, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

FYI
Unblock request here --Steve (Stephen)talk 23:49, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

ProfMozart
Good catch! Thanks. Those links were not red in the preview for some reason. -- Rob C (Alarob) 02:54, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Flora IDs
I'm up to nearly 700 photos on my trip, after I get back on Thursday we can have fun trying to identify all the flora I photographed (most of it will probably be pretty easy) Orderinchaos 03:35, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I know, but hey, everyone reads everyone's talk pages anyway. I'm not even sure some of these are native plants, some are probably just very nice looking imports. Sadly I only got 4 shots of banksias in Kalbarri, although I saw plenty of nice ones while flying by them at high speed on buses out of town on tours. Managed to get one to stop today to click it. Orderinchaos 10:03, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Speaking of reading other peoples talk pages ;), I would be happy to have a stab at the IDs, not that I claim to be any sort of expert --Melburnian 10:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Rfa
Thanks for your nomination and help, it's now up and running. Melburnian 13:36, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

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