User talk:Hesperian/Archive 28


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Halosarcia
So should we go with a page move? --Melburnian (talk) 05:56, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I think, botanically speaking, it's a no-win situation because the genus is staying put (with nothing in it) and the species are "moving".Given that the article content is predominantly about the species, I'd say the move would be the way to go, and the history would be less hidden away. Of course, as you mention, if the reclassification was reverted, things could turn pear-shaped :| --Melburnian (talk) 06:44, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

world
Is that domination or are there other adjectives more appropriate? SatuSuro 10:32, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Domination is a noun. :-D What other terms did you have in mind? Hesperian 10:41, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I thought ball was in your court - your explanation as to your effective achievement or attainment of world domination, or did i miss something? OK now the map on your user page - definitely a long beer/coffee over the issue of the portuguese et al is obviously due SatuSuro 13:39, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Quick on the uptake and grammar are not my forte this evening - I'll join the throng sooner than later - and copy your user page style too :( SatuSuro 13:46, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Page design theft
I'm also using your Image:Houman Abrolhos bay.jpg as my desktop background. So, thanks for both that and the userpage. Euryalus (talk) 23:38, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's nice, isn't it. I only uploaded it but, and with a misspelled name :-(. Ernie Dingo took the picture. Hesperian 00:05, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh, only just noticed I actually copied the picture itself to this page. Sorry about that. Still, its always nice to look at. Euryalus (talk) 00:42, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, that mysterious group of Iranian islands somewhere in the Gulf. :D Orderinchaos 03:16, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Page design ref'd
I think I resolved the problem that you tagged, but the metaphysics of the reference probably needs something by Italo Calvino to be reliable. I did think about creating. cygnis insignis 04:46, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Richie Benaud's Greatest XI
Hi Hesperian, why did you remove the prod deletion template from this article? --Nick Dowling (talk) 10:04, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Because I object to its deletion, per the template. I don't really give a toss about the DVD, but the list upon which the DVD is based was greatly anticipated, widely reported, and dissected ad nauseum by cricket tragics . It is notable. Hesperian 11:20, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, fair enough. --Nick Dowling (talk) 07:42, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Pelsaert
Hi Hesperian. I didn't mean to be brutal by simply deleting the image, but I'm afraid there's no chance it's of the Pelsaert who was involved in the Batavia mutiny. That Pelsaert died at the age of 35. The guy in the picture, to me, has got to be late 40s+. That's a subjective judgement, but objectively I can say that Pelsaert never wrote a book called "Batavia", and was far from rich enough to own the sort of house shown in the picture. There's also no record he ever lived in Rijswijk. I have to think the gallery has made a misattribution, or been misinformed by whoever they bought the picture from. Mikedash (talk) 15:59, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Your block of NYScholar
Hello. I am responding to an unblock request by. As far as I can determine, you blocked this user for archiving or deleting content on his talk page. I am having a hard time understanding this block. WP:U states that "Policy does not prohibit users from removing comments from their own talk pages, though archiving is preferred." Furthermore, blocks are supposed to be preventative, but blocking NYScholar does not prevent him from editing his talk page. Accordingly, I recommend unblocking NYScholar, or, failing that, I'd appreciate it if you would comment on his unblock request. Thanks, Sandstein (talk) 07:46, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * As you seem to be offline, I have unblocked the user for the reasons given on his talk page. Sandstein (talk) 09:22, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm just rather astounded that anyone would overturn a disruption block on that account. The false accusations against multiple administrators, bogus claims and downright lies, the cries of "admin abuse", and otherwise general disruption is quite fantastic. I don't think I've ever come across someone so full to the brim with lies and false accusations and appalling accusations of bad faith in others, who manages to immediately get unblocked without so much as a discussion! Outstanding! Sarah 20:30, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I have replied to Hesperian on my talk page. To Sarah, I would like to add that "false accusations against multiple administrators, bogus claims and downright lies" were not the stated reason for NYScholar's block, and accordingly I have not been able to examine such allegations – which, indeed, are not substantiated here either – upon considering NYScholar's unblock request. Sandstein (talk) 21:42, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi: here is another example of NYScholar's irrational use of archiving. i have had many run-in's with her and have simply left discussions out of pure frustration. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.131.53.9 (talk) 00:18, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Beggars belief. A discussion on this issue was held at WP:ANI and has pretty much petered out now. I have no wish to revive it at this point, but you may, if you wish. Hesperian 00:25, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

The interesting thing about that discussion is it was supposed to be about the unblocking action (which really irks me) rather than about NYS specifically. My apologies if I and others contributed to it going off course. &mdash;Moondyne 00:39, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I requested feedback on both the block and the unblock. I suppose the degree to which NYS was at fault cuts to the heart of both, so it's no surprise the discussion ended up there. Orderinchaos did try to focus the discussion on the unblocking process, but with little success. Not that it matters, as Sandstein acknowledged some fault there and apologised, so that's that.
 * In the end, Sandstein and I were both acting in good faith, and the community is obviously divided on the issue, so I can only conclude that occasional disagreements like this are inevitable. Or, as a bumper sticker once told me, "shit happens". Hesperian 00:52, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Once I read a bumper sticker that said "My kid beat up your Honor student kid". -- carol Commons 07:07, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Batavia
Therein yet abother abother - probably long coffees or beers on why some items get recycled in the lishing industry - SatuSuro 07:01, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

dyk
I say yes - the ambiguity of the explanations as to what it really was is a good one for dyk (imho) SatuSuro 13:59, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Any article with the word "verisimilitude" in it has got to be dyk-worthy (I admit that I had to look it up). But seriously, I really like it. How about:
 * ... that the Eneabba Stone Arrangement is an Aboriginal stone arrangement once thought to have been associated with survivors of the Vergulde Draeck, a Dutch galleon wrecked on the west coast of Australia in 1656?

&mdash;Moondyne 14:01, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * arrh - see he hasnt lost his dyk touch at all - hand or no hand SatuSuro 14:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks guys; I've had a crack at it using Moondyne's suggestion. Hesperian 02:09, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

One could say the the etymology of the Abrolhos Islands has a sense of verisimilitude. &mdash;Moondyne 05:24, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Carronade Island
Hi Hesperian. I am completely confused about the change to this page - regarding a copyright violation apparently. Can you briefly enlighten me?--Nickm57 (talk) 23:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the compliment. Yes its been a hobby of mine for the last 30 years. I do indeed have a copy of Richardson 2006. Its still available - saw it at Melb Uni bookroom in Jan at full price also at a second hand bookshop last year - almost full price! Lavishly illustrated, easy to read, a very good review of the whole debate.--Nickm57 (talk) 01:38, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Houtman Abrolhos
Hi Hesperian. Richardson's 2006 book only contains brief reference to Houtman Abrolhos(p.43 in the context of AF Calvert's 1893 inscriptions on copies of the Dieppe maps) so its just as well you didnt fork out $20+ for it. However, I do recall reading something by Richardson in the Journal of the Australian Map Circle in the mid 1980s on this, so I'll dig it out. --Nickm57 (talk) 02:47, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Richardson, W.A.R. The Globe, Journal of the Australian Map Circle. Number 19, Melbourne 1983. ISSN 0311 3930. "Is Jave La Grande Australia? The Linguistic Evidence concerning the West Coast." Pages 12-13.


 * "The two Portuguese place names off our shores, Pedra Branca (White Rock), an islet off the southern tip of Tasmania and the Abrolhos Islands off Geraldton in Western Australia, can both be accounted for by explanations other than their having been named by Portuguese navigators. Readers of Tasman’s journal have long known that he says, in effect, that he gave Pedra Branca that name because it reminded him of a similar island of the same name off the coast of China near Macau. The Abrolhos are associated with the name of the Dutch navigator Frederick Houtman, almost certainly because he called them that when nearly shipwrecked there in 1619. Many Portuguese people are aware that Abrolhos is a contraction of the words Abre (Open) and Olhos (eyes). It was the cry that was yelled by or at the lookout in the crow’s-nest when navigational hazards were suspected. But it was also a now obsolete maritime term for a reef or shoal. Abrolhos appear on Portuguese 16th and 17th century maps from the western hemisphere to Asia and the most famous ones were those still known as the Arquipélago dos Abrolhos off the coast of the Brazilian state of Bahai. They lay perilously close to the regular route from Europe to Asia via the Cape of Good Hope. Despite Portugal’s policy of secrecy in the 16th century, Dutchmen and sailors from other countries did sail on Portuguese ships and Portuguese maritime terminology was used by foreigners. The chart of part of the Gulf of Carpentaria, made by the first Dutch ship know to have reached Australia, the Duyfken, in 1606, used the Portuguese word cabo (cape) amongst otherwise exclusively Dutch words. The same thing occurred with abrolhos and other words which figured on charts stolen, bought or copied from the Portuguese."


 * Hope that helps.--Nickm57 (talk) 04:16, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Kevin Hart
He/she really doesn't like him, eh? Thanks to you and Gillyweed for sharing the watching.Sterry2607 (talk) 06:11, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Why edit the statement that his awards are Australian rather than International? It's true: the three awards cited in the entry are all regional Australian awards; not one has international stature. No citation is needed for this; just follow the links and read the Wikipedia entries for those three awards. They are obviously regional Australian awards. I'd undo your revert, but you'd just undo my undo. If you'd rather glorify mediocrity, go right ahead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.62.170.157 (talk) 14:30, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Gosh, it turns out there was a legitimate point behind the schadenfreude. Okay, I'll fix that. Hesperian 23:06, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Hesperian. Interesting comment from the IP address editor. In one sense s/re has a point but do you think that for every person who wins awards from just one country we need to say that? I think this could get a little silly. Looking at it logically (though I suppose Wiki isn't wonderfully logical): Do we need to go back an check every article for every person who has won awards to clarify whether they are national of multi/inter-national awards)? In fact, Hart, seems to have quite an international standing - he's been employed by at least 2 American universities and Harold Bloom (recognised US literary critic) has been quoted as saying “Kevin Hart is one of the major living poets of the English language". To be honest, I have no particular interest in Kevin Hart - just came across him in my Aus Lit rounds - but as a matter of principle it seems to me that there are some things going on here that may not be totally objective? (Not trying to give you bother - I'd understand perfectly if you ignored my comment here!)Sterry2607 (talk) 03:44, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks muchly Hesperian for being reasonable as always. I'm happy to leave it at this stage. Cheers,Sterry2607 (talk) 08:12, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Trucks and taxonomy
Thank for the tip on the species dictionary, sounds very useful. Your story on the new plant genus is very interesting indeed, I couldn't find anything on google either, despite utilsing carefully constructed search parameters such as here ;)--Melburnian (talk) 13:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm...I think Hydatellas and trucks wouldn't mix too well Melburnian (talk) 11:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Need some admin help
User:AeronM created the article Bitless bridle (be sure to check out the talk page) evidently to increase interest in the Aeron Riding Halter, which she invented and sells. From the beginning, her edits have been heavily POV, and she has routinely deleted NPOV text added by several other editors. I got so frustrated with her insistence that her edits were fact, and all other edits were opinions, that I took a wikibreak. One of the other editors has asked whether I know any admins who could help us out. Could you give us a hand?--Curtis Clark (talk) 14:41, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, anyway. I've AfDed another article she wrote (Riding Halter which is specifically about her product.--Curtis Clark (talk) 23:57, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Whadya make of this?
Appears to be Willem Schouten's published journal from 1618. I like the illustration/map on page 27 (it could be anywhere as he was widely travelled)   Do you know of a translation? &mdash;Moondyne 02:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No idea if it discusses Australia. I would assume not, but that was partly why I was interested in reading a translation. Animals (M) in the map could be emus.  But more likely they're Afican ostriches with lions (I) in the foreground and giraffes (L) at the right. &mdash;Moondyne 03:21, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Grrr
I just tried to log onto ja.wikipedia, to NowCommons-tag an image I'd just grabbed from there, and some unconscionable bastard has claimed my username there! Hesperian 12:03, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Isnt there a means by which you can claim wider usage (in x no of projects) and hence prior usage? Surely there is some form of inter project consistency on that? SatuSuro 12:19, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Don't hold your breath waiting for a unified login. :-( Hesperian 12:25, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Heheh I wont hold my breath for many things on wikipedia : - |  SatuSuro 12:28, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

If you want a posible clue as to who it might be:. cygnis insignis 12:33, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Y'know, my first instinct was that you were being a bit paranoid, but the creation of that account postdates that comment by only 3 days. Hesperian 03:38, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Isn't imitation the sincerest of flattery? &mdash;Moondyne click! 03:31, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Then you'll be flattered to know that I resolved my ja problem by creating an account under the name "Moondyne" ;-) Hesperian 03:38, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * for gods sake dont try satu suro, there is probably a swear word in ja that relates to that :( SatuSuro 11:07, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

peek
I made a redirect from Wonambi naracoortensis‎, a previously deleted page. Would you mind having a peek and telling me if there was more history than the line "Usama is truly the rightfull leader of this world". cygnis insignis 13:02, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Just the one deleted edit there. The edit summary was "Die american pigs". Hesperian 13:06, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * How-bloody-peculiar!? I am unsurprised to see belligerent vandalism, but why was it at a legimate species name. Perhaps it was transwikied from de.wikipedia. cygnis insignis 13:46, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I make these things up in an attempt at humour, and they turn out to be plausible http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonambi_naracoortensis. Have you noticed, BTW, that the go button says Artikel - we should adopt that here. cygnis insignis 13:55, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry to Babel on, but this is all about an: enormous rainbow queue, which lives in holy water holes. Now you know! cygnis insignis 14:06, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought it was odd too. My guess was a vandal following a random redlink. Hesperian 01:31, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Monday mornings
I think the irony should be lost on most :( SatuSuro 23:55, 24 February 2008 (UTC) It brings back the memory of the running jokes of the dingo vs lindy stuff SatuSuro 00:00, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh well, your message there has given me an opportunity to make my point less abstrusely. Hesperian 00:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Plains
In spain rain mainly on the strains - in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_caves_in_Western_Australia the nullarbor is found as plains is there any easy way to change that to the singular? or do i do it by hand? tell me gently - please SatuSuro 11:06, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * or before you do - maybe there isnt a need to do so - but maybe a simple redirect on the areas designated? or something? nothing at all? your call SatuSuro 11:12, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Wowow - never seen that sort of rodent before - is it a shareable species? very impressed, nudge nudge SatuSuro 11:15, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I can add it to your monobook.js if you want. Hesperian 11:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Please if you could it would be much appreciated - when the pastoral lease gets bigger (ah yes i have plans, 2010?) it would be useful SatuSuro 11:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC) Thanks for that - cheers SatuSuro 11:25, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Now go to a page you've never been to before, click [edit this page], wait for the edit page to finish loading, then hit ALT-SHIFT-F. A funky find-replace box will appear.
 * This extension is great - it is the only one I bother with these days. Hesperian 11:29, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Fast Editing
Hi! May I ask how you managed to create 41 articles in less than a minute as shown here? Sorry if I am accusing you unnecessarily, but normally it is not possible to edit that fast under normal means. Captain  panda  00:37, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * By creating them all when I had some spare time but no access to Wikipedia, then loading them each into separate firefox tabs, so that I could copy-paste an edit summary, then hammering the save button repeatedly. You are welcome to go through my 3 year, 34000 edit history looking for evidence of unauthorised botting if you wish ;-) Hesperian 00:42, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * After going through, I did find some notably fast editing around the January 19 of this year. However, it was at speeds that are not unheard of for manual editing. I guess that i was wrong. Sorry about that. Captain   panda  00:49, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well the January ones all have "using AWB" in their edit summary, so there's no issue there. Yes, you were wrong; but there's no need to apologise for what was a reasonable question politely asked. Hesperian 00:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Riding halter
Can you go back and weigh in on the AfD discussion on Articles for deletion/Riding Halter and bring some neutral friends? It's just the four of us fighting again over there the way we are at bitless bridle and elsewhere. No consensus can be reached amongst us for something as major as deletion. Third parties will have to decide it, I think. Montanabw (talk) 02:26, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Nah, sorry, that sounds too much like vote-stacking for my tastes. Hesperian 02:44, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't understand where you get the "vote-stacking".--Curtis Clark (talk) 02:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not accusing anyone of anything; apologies if it sounded like it. I'm merely declining to accede to a request I'm not comfortable with. Hesperian 02:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Let me put it this way: Short of my being bold, making sure that all the non-POV, non-COI information in the article is also in bitless bridle, deleting the contents, and putting in a redirect to bitless bridle, how would you suggest we get closure on this?--Curtis Clark (talk) 03:09, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sooner or later someone uninvolved will come along and close the AfD. That's your closure, pardon the pun. To take action before that happens would expose you to accusations of being precipitate, unilateral, etc. Hesperian 03:39, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Exactly. I guess we wait.--Curtis Clark (talk) 03:42, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Help? How long do we wait?   Montanabw (talk) 03:48, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Who knows? If the discussion has petered out at a rough consensus, then closure could happen at any time. Maybe edit the encyclopedia while you wait.... Hesperian 03:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Waiting is good. There is no reason to hurry.  Someone else just added an opinion.  And it looks to me like the proposal is heading toward consensus. --Una Smith (talk) 04:49, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, but who decides these things?  Montanabw (talk) 20:35, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If I recall correctly, there is a minimum number of days that a discussion should be left — five? — and after that it is just a matter of someone getting around to it. Theoretically, anyone who is familiar with the procedure and uninvolved in the dispute can make the closure, but in practice most AfD closures are done by administrators. The options are: close as consensus to delete, close as consensus to keep, close as no consensus, or restart discussion. Only about half of the deletion discussions opened on February 21 have been closed at this stage, so I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. Hesperian 22:39, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I couldnt
Had to gmail the answer SatuSuro 00:29, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I got it mate, and the other. Hesperian 00:33, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Query for you two, and anyone else. Do you think this would be an improvement: Category:Indigenous Western Australians? Or perhaps: Indigenous West Australians. cygnis insignis 04:08, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * For reasons long forgotten, Australian sportspeople means sportspeople of Australian nationality, whereas sportspeople from Australia means sportspeople who notably reside or resided in Australia. See Naming conventions (categories) and Naming conventions (categories). How this fits in with that, I have no idea. Your category was previously debated at Categories for deletion/Log/2006 July 2. My apologies for the non-answer; this is all I have for you right now. Hesperian 05:09, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I changed my mind after reading all that, perhaps Category:Indigenous peoples of Western Australia would be the most accurate. cygnis insignis 05:39, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * "peoples" or "people"? A related problem is the fact that the category should be split along those lines. Colbung is one of our "indigenous people". Noongar is one of our "indigenous peoples". Hesperian 05:41, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh! How about both? And a third with a possessive case ... cygnis insignis 06:28, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I notice we combine ethnicity with nationality in categories like Category:Albanian Australians and Category:Zimbabwean Australians. Maybe our indigenous people could be put in Category:Australian Australians. The ones who have actually lived in the country could go into Category:Australian Australians from Australia. Hesperian 10:26, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

CEASE! The current state of the environment award for western australia has some mind numbing similarities to this - historical heritage - is a term used by supposed professionals - what in i am not sure SatuSuro 10:36, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

WBFAN
Hi - Regarding this edit, the bot recreates the list every time I run it from the by-year summary lists, e.g. Featured articles nominated in 2007, which are created from information mined from the FA logs, e.g. Featured article candidates/Featured log/December 2007. This is all publicly available information (anything anyone does is public, edits concerning FAs perhaps more public than most). You can remove yourself from WBFAN by editing the by-year summary lists (these are kept current with respect to main page appearance date and current FA/FFA status of articles but the nominator[s] are not updated after they're added except manually), but I'm curious why you might want to opt out. -- Rick Block (talk) 03:58, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * G'day Rick,
 * I reckon that list gives people the wrong impression. It counts FA nominations, which is a purely procedural matter, but the average Joe will think that this equates to FAs written. One of the FAs that I nominated was mostly written by Casliber, and a couple of the FAs that I mostly wrote were nominated by others. Even the ones that are correctly against my name were a collaborative effort and it doesn't seem right to credit them entirely to me.
 * Having said all that, I don't see it as a very big deal, and I don't intend to waste my or anyone else's energy by fighting over it.
 * Hesperian 04:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

The basic premise of WBFAN is that it takes non-trivial effort to nominate an FA and respond to the reviewers at FAC. Clearly, most articles are collaborative efforts. Several editors have edited the by-year summaries to include primary authors where the primary author and nominator are not the same user. I think this is perfectly fine. The point is to encourage folks to make the effort to get articles all the way to FA (actually, the point is to provide an arena to compete in that does more for the encyclopedia than WP:WBE). If you want to opt-out that's fine with me, although it takes more than 0 effort to do this (in particular, your edit will be undone the next time I run the bot). Please feel free to remove yourself from the by-year summaries. Alternatively, please feel free to include other editors you think are more worthy. This is all extremely informal, meant to encourage participation in the FA process. There's more about this at Wikipedia talk:List of Wikipedians by featured article nominations if you're interested. -- Rick Block (talk) 05:24, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

How's life treating you?
I hope you're well mate.

Good to see you've put a bit into my articles in the time gone by.

Hope there aren't still any hard feelings.

X (121.209.235.20 (talk) 11:27, 28 February 2008 (UTC))


 * , can't complain. Nah mate, no hard feelings, just try to keep things constructive if you're going to keep popping in here, okay? Hesperian 11:30, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

nothing other than - have made quite a few constructive edits around the place, but am yet to embark upon major contributions.

just wondering, from your "identification" imply that you only ever had one personal conflict.

getting much rain over on the other side of the island?

121.209.235.20 (talk) 11:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No, there have been others. But there's something unmistakably you about you. Hesperian 11:59, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * glad to hear it :D, peace, 121.209.235.20 (talk) 12:20, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


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