User talk:Hesperian/Archive 3


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Tables
Hi mate, I've just go a question about converting wikitables. Is there any way to convert a Microsoft Word table into a wiki-format table? I find it easier to compose tables on Word, and it's more time consuming in wikiformat. Rogerthat 04:50, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

proclamation date?
Hi, do you happen to know when Proclamation Day is celebrated in South Australia: 26 December (second Christmas day) or 28 December (the actual date of the proclamation)? Tom Peters 14:21, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Sorry
I deeply apoligse, but, Hesperian, I suggest next tiem you give me a chance to reply. I'm not on Wikipedia persistently. By the way, no, that was my school thast enjoys vandalism at your cost. I will try to prevent it from now on.--Ryan Moore 01:05, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Yagan again
Drew, I agree it is a bit on the long side but cannot see how you could split it and retain a cohesive and interesting article. If it was split it'd presumably be a) Life of Yagan and b) Yagan's murder and events following or something similar. At this stage I feel its best to leave as is and get some feedback - were you going straight to WP:FAC or to try WP:PR first?

I'd be more than happy to take a drive out to Belhus. Just give me an address. BTW, I am a bit embarrased when you tell Nixie that you and I have been working on the article - the credit is all yours my friend! -- Ian &equiv; talk 02:31, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

New Sig
I got the impression that as a normal user that I could add a new sig in prefs without requiring the making of a new user. However, I just noticed you have done some redirects, so I suppose I should say thanks - but had I done something wrong? SatuSuro 13:49, 1 January 2006 (UTC) Oh happy new year anyway, I hope you manage to give up yagan as a new year resolution, or should it be come to a natural end? cheers anway SatuSuro 13:49, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Belhus
My wife and I had a nice drive (in the stinking heat) and got a few photos. We had a nice lunch at a winery though! Photos are a bit dissapointing I'm afraid. I'm flat out with real world issues at the moment and will upload and summarise in a day or so. Regards -- Ian &equiv; talk 10:21, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Peter Bell
OK, now I get it. Sorry, must be the heat :-) Grant65 | Talk 12:28, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Great strike of 1917
Hesperian. I saw your request on Adam Carr's talk page for sources for a new article on the Great Strike in NSW in 1917. Try and get hold of a copy of Strikes: Studies in Twentieth Century Social History, Edited by John Iremonger, John Merritt, and Graeme Osborne. Published 1973 by Angus and Robertsons and the Australian Society for the Study of Labour History. Contains a 30 page essay titled Crime and Punishment: the Great Strike in New South Wales, August to October 1917 by Dan Coward. References are contained in footnotes. You may want to check out the journal Labour History which may contain further relevant articles. Both the book and the journal should be available in your State Library or University Library.

Also refer to G.V.Childe in How Labor Governs (pp.153-4, 1964)

Also see a short appraisal of the strike by trade union official, Issy Wyner

Hope these are good leads--Takver 01:49, 8 January 2006 (UTC)


 * BTW our mate A.G. is on the committee for the Lab Hist mob here in Perth, if you have any probs, let me know SatuSuro 01:57, 8 January 2006 (UTC) I am not assuming you'd do anything!  I cant even keep up with my own watchlist let alone anything else!  SatuSuro 06:59, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Couple of more references: Dr Lucy Taksa has done extensive historical research on the strike as part of her 1983 honours thesis. She had a 17 page article published in the peer reviewed Labour History journal Vol 60, 1991 titled Defence not defiance: Social protest and the NSW General Strike of 1917. For a much shorter and less academic account, see this [Workers Online article by Taksa.--[[User:Tirin|Takver]] 02:05, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

People of Fremantle
Are we really going to have categories for every suburb of every city? I think there are problems with this. Brian Greig apparently qualifies because he was born there. But John Curtin was born in Victoria, and although he was MP for Fremantle he didn't live in Freo itself. The electorate then included all of what is now Curtin, and from memory he lived at Cottesloe. So in what sense is he "of Fremantle"? Kim Beazley Sr wasn't born there either, and I think he lives at Melville. I think this category is pointless and too ill-defined to be useful. Adam 12:14, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Pardon the intrusion and very long rave Adam and Drew - we had this problem in Tasmania -Notable people. I left long talk stuff about the fact that at one stage it was rumoured there were more tasmanians in melbourne than in tasmania, ah to have a sense of humour! The problem of whether an 'assocation' with a locality is sufficient for inclusion in a category such as people in tasmania, got really awkward over the merle oberon 'claim' to have been born there, when she had invented the story made it all the more, um what would you say tenuous. As a long term nuisance on snotty/drew's talk page I'll vote for a compromise with the trying to limit the places to fremantle and perth for a start, and for persons associated. As for association by guilt or residence or birth, one clever youngster in tasmania removed christopher koch and richard davey - he obviously did not read either of the articles - simply because he hadnt heard of them - that will probably happen here with edit reasoning similar to adam's - unless something is in place to qualify the inclusions. Sorry about raving, please excuse SatuSuro 12:34, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Realise I am at a bit of a tangent to your discussion, so apologies,

but would still assert we need people of freo!SatuSuro 12:49, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Yagan
The article looks ready for FAC, great work - I wouldn't worry about peer review - it's not always very productive, and the article is in very good shape. Two things I noticed - should the line from the Perth Gazette in the Death of Yagan section have an explicit reference (so that theorhetically someone could check it)? The book cover should also have a fair use rationale for use in this article. You might get asked if there are and good external links you could add, so if there are actually any good external sites that aren't already mentioned you could add an external links section. Otherwise I'll look foward to seeing it pop up on FAC soon.--nixie 02:02, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * One really minor thing, User:Ambush Commander has a bot that can find links in the article that need to be disambiguated. I noramlly ask him to run it if I have a really long article and I haven't manually checked all the links. Might be worthwhile if you think there could be some links pointing at the wrong page--nixie 05:12, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

After much procrastinating... (Aust Parl cat).
After much procrastinating I’m going to bite the bullet and resolve the perliaments category problem. Since only you and Ambi contributed to the discussion I thought I’d just check with you before going ahead. Could you please take a look at our discussion Australian Wikipedians' notice board/Archive 15 and let me know if you agree with the last comment I made. Thanks -- Adz|talk 07:27, 9 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. I began typing to try to make sense of it all and came up with a lot of text, so I have transferred it to User talk:Adz/Parliaments. If you're still interested could you take a squiz? cheers. -- Adz|talk 10:21, 9 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I've left my final thought for the night at User talk:Adz/Parliaments. I think we're making progress. I need to go to bed. Goodnight. -- Adz|talk 13:25, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: Yagan
Certainly, --cj | talk 10:46, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

LinkFix bot request
Hi Edward, would you mind running your LinkFix bot on Yagan please? I will be happy to take responsibility for fixing any link problems the bot turns up. Drew (Hesperian) 05:18, 9 January 2006 (UTC)


 * No problem. The bot is crunching the page right now. &mdash; Ambush Commander (Talk) 23:10, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Members of Parliament lists and categories
''Adam Adz and Ambi,

''Category:Members of the Australian Senate contains article on Senators, but article Members of the Australian Senate contains lists of Senators for each Parliament, and is not even a member of the category that shares its name. This is counterintuitive and I don't like it. Once category Category:Members of the Australian House of Representatives is populated it will have the same problem. And the problem occurs for Category:Members of the Western Australian Legislative Assembly versus article Members of the Western Australian Legislative Assembly, and the same for the Legislative Council category and article, and probably also for the other states.

''My proposal for fixing this is
 * 1) ''rename articles Members of the Whatever to List of Members of the Whatever;
 * 2) ''rename articles Members of the Whatever, 2000-2005 to List of Members of the Whatever, 2005-2005;
 * 3) ''rename Category:Australian parliaments to Category:Lists of Members of Australian Parliaments (Adam, there is a proposal to recycle Category:Australian parliaments into a category that would hold Parliament of Western Australia, Parliament of Queensland, etc, under discussion at User talk:Adz/Parliaments)

''I realise that Ambi has written a lot of Members of the Whatever articles and that it would take a while to fix it. If you are happy with this proposal, I am happy to do the work. Alternatively, are there any counterproposals?

''Since I've posted this message on three talk pages, I'll post it on my talk page too, and I suggest we hold this discussion there. Drew (Hesperian) 01:42, 10 January 2006 (UTC)''

I agree there is a problem with the overlap between lists and categories. Perhaps lists ought to be abolished. I don't have any objections to what you propose, provided I don't have to do the work :) Adam 04:50, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Bah - they're there as indexes, Adam, else no one can find the wonderful articles you and others write. Anyway, I see the problem, Drew, and I don't necessarily object, although I do think adding the "list of..." is otherwise a bit unnecessary. Ambi 05:45, 10 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with what you have proposed and will chip in to help you make changes when I'm able. I'll certainly be helping with re categorising all the articles we have discussed to date. (I'm about to be in the middle of moving house soon so don't know how much time I will have in the comming weeks but will do my best). I don't object to adding "list of" where you suggest either. I am still digesting your latest suggestion at the other page I created.
 * It has ocurred to me that the process I followed wasn't the best in that I could have created the discussion page somewhere outside my user space and invited people on WP:AWNB to take part. The reason I invited the two of you is because you were the only people who expressed an interest when I first raised the matter. Do you think we should post the final proposal somewhere where others can comment - either at the Cat talk page, or at WP:AWNB, or somewhere else? -- Adz|talk 11:10, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Couldn't hurt. We're in no great rush, it might result in a better proposal, and it might avoid getting other people's noses out of joint. Drew (Hesperian) 11:39, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok. Will do. I think I'll just put the final proposal up at WP:AWNB and point people to the discussion that has taken place at the page I set up (unless you think creating a new page somewhere else is a better idea - any suggestions where?). Did you see the final proposal I made in response to your last one? Ambi has agreed so if you're happy with it, I think we've arrived at something we can work with. -- Adz|talk 12:29, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I've put together a draft proposal at wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian politics/Parliaments. Could you both have a look at it and make any changes you see necessary. (perhaps strike old text so we can follow what changes have been made). When we're all happy with it we can transfer it to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian politics/Parliaments. I may not be around an awful lot over the next couple of days but I don't mind who does this once we have agreement. -- Adz|talk 05:49, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Round House Photo
Thanks for that. SatuSuro 02:11, 10 January 2006 (UTC) I'll keep out of your way in general - I've just seen your parliament project, it looks worse than yagan! I trust you have other things in life... :)      SatuSuro 02:15, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Well done about getting Yagan to that level - good onya! As for the mess, good luck to you! SatuSuro 02:33, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Map
Drew,

Mud-map is added as discussed. I also uploaded Image:Yagan-skirmish area.jpg and Image:Bull's Mill.jpg but haven't added them to the article as I don't think they really add anything. Feel free to do so if you disagree. Regards -- Ian &equiv; talk 04:38, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * If you need anything added or changed on the map, let me know. Also, do you happen to know the exact location of George Fletcher Moore's property? -- Ian &equiv; talk 04:41, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Captain Thunderbolt
Thanks for your encouragement, and you edits, I`m learning all the time, Agreed Thunderbolt article is a ramble, woefully opinionated, but someone seems very passionate about the subject, it would be a shame to discourage them so perhaps a new page, Frederick Ward and edit cats around this. What do you think? Btw still workin on getting those photos, do you have one of the Roundhouse? Ghostieguide 02:55, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Need your attention Ghostieguide 08:41, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Soccer / SBS
I've reverted it back to Football (soccer). The more I think about it, the more I seem to remember the discussion heading that way, too. Thanks Drew. Cnwb 05:49, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Belhus map
Drew, Do you think that the map's talk page should include sources? ie Dept. Indigenous Affairs Aboriginal Heritage Inquiry System. Do you have a URL for that, and if so could you add it. Regards -- Ian &equiv; talk 05:51, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

oops
Good catch your right, preston pt has leeuwin barracks and swan yatch club,though it is mosman from the CUB site around and nth freo to the south I went back took the old ifno i had typed and created a new page for pt walter Gnangarra
 * thx as soon as this rain passes i'll head down there and grab a handful of pics, maybe even one of the climb at the sixth (lol)Gnangarra 12:22, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Yagan cropped
I think what is preventing you from seeing the new version of the cropped Yagan picture is that the old picture is still in your browser cache. Try doing a forced reload (F5 key on some browsers) and you should see the one I uploaded. Andrew Levine 22:29, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

WA Sports Star of the Year/ Peter Evans_(swimmer)
Hi Hesperian, from Adelaide. About Peter Evans, I have a book here published 1988 Aussie Gold which has all the info on Australia's gold medal Olympians. It has more info than the original Australia at the Olympic Games by Malcolm Andrews, upon which I wrote the bio of Evans. It says that he ran for the State seat of Perth in the 1986 state election, and that his father Max was also a member of this seat. Do you know anything more about this political family after this time(you appear to have interest in politics of WA), as it could be added to the article. Blnguyen 01:14, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * There might be a little bit of information in my Western Australian Parliamentary Handbook; I'll have a look tonight. But most of my information about WA politicians comes from the Biographical Register of Members of Parliament of Western Australia, of which I only have Volume One at the moment.  Max Evans would be in Volume Two.  When I eventually get around to buying Volume Two, I'll try to remember to write Max Evans and link Peter Evans to it. Drew (Hesperian) 01:20, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Invers
It looks a bit like the edits that Hale School gets from time to time. Maybe it needs to be protected for a few days, but let's see if it settles down first. I'll try to watch a bit more closely but am very busy at work at the moment. Regards. -- Ian &equiv; talk 03:12, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * BTW, the FA's going well. Congrats. -- Ian &equiv; talk 03:13, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * And to you. By the way, I ran into yet another Perth-based Ian Brown at Western Australian Sports Star of the Year today. Drew (Hesperian) 03:15, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The thing about Invers is that that edit is probably not far from the truth, if not encyclopaedic language. Everything I've read about him is glowing.  His international cricket career could easily have been much more prominent given different external events. A bit of a Rick Charlesworth is some ways.


 * I saw the new WASSY article - great idea. The other Ian Brown (swimmer) is an imposter - he hasn't even got an article yet! (must get onto that along with lots of other redlinks there) --  Ian &equiv; talk 03:33, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Van Tongeren
I saw your comment on Adam's talk page, and the anon seems to be right. I found this article from The Sunday Times, 30 September 1990, "In a development sending shudders through the Asian and Jewish communities, a virulent brand of Australian nationalism has taken root in Perth, capital of Western Australia. Until now the movement has been led by Peter Van Tongeren, known to his mates as Jack, a mesmeric former army instructor who is a latter-day Fuhrer to his followers. Van Tongeren was this month jailed for 18 years on 53 charges of racially motivated crimes."

I can't be sure if the guy on the Senate ticket was him, but it seems likely. I've just done a bit of research on the other two members of that ticket, and the second member, Martin Suter, later went on to be the state secretary of One Nation - sounds like Van Tongeren's type of guy. I couldn't find anything much on the third guy, Frank Ash, although he seems to have run as an independent in a state by-election in 2001 on some road safety platform - there was nothing about anything racist in the papers then. 06:42, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Yep definitely Peter as the birth name. (Sunday Times 8 Aug 2004)--Hack 07:56, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Van Tongeren
Yes, so far as I know there is only one Van Tongeren. I thought he was still in jail. Adam 07:59, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Song Info
Cheers for that Drew - I added the first song coming across it whilst researching something else and felt it should go into the article. The original article I was working on was Fremantle Prison, User:Longhair has started a drive to work towards a featured article. Maybe you'd like to contribute? Cheers SeanMack 06:51, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * No worries. Came across this site and thought you might be interested - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Boyle_O%27Reilly - I've added this link to the O'Reilly article.

Articles for deletion/John Warren (convict)
There's still nothing of notability in the article. I have listed it for AfD. User:Zoe|(talk) 21:16, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Speedy restoration
Responded on my talk. - brenneman (t) (c)  01:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * And again! ^_^ brenneman (t) (c)  01:56, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Parliaments again (let's finish it)
Sorry to keep bothering both of you but I think we're just about there and I want to to finish this off. I've made a couple of changes to the proposal based on Ambi's most recent comments and I'd like to wrap this up and put a note on AWNB and the politics project page to see if others aggree or have comments to make. Then we can start changing the categories. Given the work you've both put in, I'm reluctant to go ahead until you're happy. ... so can you please take one last look? Thanks. -- Adz|talk 12:56, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * PS. Sorry for moving it around a bit. This is where the latest version is: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian politics/Parliaments -- Adz|talk 13:03, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

About John Warren...
Drew... I apolgize if I was incivil last night or yesterday. It was very late and I was a little testy. I would still like this to be discussed. I understand what you have said at the AfD page, but I am having a little toruble with one aspect of this. What is your aversion from merging this into the book's article? No content would have to be lost. A redirect would be made, so it's not as if the information would be leaving Wikipedia. I am just so confused. Thanks for all your efforts, by the way. It is obvious you care about Wikipedia. Cheers, my friend. -- LV (Dark Mark)  15:00, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the apology. I know we both meant well. Out of curiosity, why do you think merging him into an article on the book be bad? There are lots of minor characters who are only sections within their book's article. Why is it necessary for the entire article to remain? Thanks. -- LV (Dark Mark)  00:49, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Yagan Talk
Hi drew, it has to be asked - if you contact me on my email I can give you an idea of probably the best person to contact on this one. If you don't, you're really leaving yourselves open to problems on this one. Hope you understand, I mean I was an anthrop student at UWA, Mu and NTU in my time, I should suspect that there might need to be some consideration over this issue! SatuSuro 23:40, 18 January 2006 (UTC) Wow! re your response, I'm out of it, no further comment SatuSuro 01:48, 19 January 2006 (UTC).

Australian dollar
What do you mean, “official?” As used by whom? —Wiki Wikardo 23:44, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * try looking at http://markets.smh.com.au/apps/mkt/overview.ac

you will see SMH certainly uses $A meaning all fairfax publications likely do the same. so much for a standard? Garrie 13:49, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Yagan promoted
Well done. I don't normally follow FAC's, but I'm fairly sure the unanimous support is rare and a feather in your cap. I wonder how long it'll be before someone publishes it? Any ideas for a new collaboration? -- Ian &equiv; talk 15:26, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I was thinking along the lines of a town such as Busselton (lots of history, easy pics, plenty of curent issues). -- Ian &equiv; talk 12:13, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I can see Hossen27 particularly has worked a fair bit on this, but I'm now leaning towards something completely different. -- Ian &equiv; talk 05:24, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Chippers Leap
Very poor start here, thought you might like to comment, as first start with uploading from commons, still lots to sort out! If you're stirling inclined, I was with honorary tour guide who is trying to work out if stirling had a house in freo, almost certainly demolished (this is perth of course), so if you pursue beyond pam stath drew (sic!) and come across any ref to a freo house/property, would be v interested. the chippers leap plaque - same as the round house one - both 1930 - has chipper getting to stirlings house at woodbridge. SatuSuro 06:40, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Laptopperson
Hesperian, please leave my user talk page alone. I'm having problems with certain users. All in all, I just wanna say...http://www.aetherometry.com/antiwikipedia2/awp2_index.html

thanksLaptopbomber 23:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Convicts
Hi Drew, I know you are interested in a few convicts at least :) What about Taswegian Bill Thomas? (or "Old William") Finding pictures for Convictism in Australia (the current WP:ACOTF), I have run across a couple of photos of him. It seems to me you must've been somewhat important to warrant even two photos in the 1870s. Any interesting tidbits you can contribute would be welcome. See also Convicts. Thanks, pfctdayelise 02:10, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi Drew, Can you delete the Martin Cash Pic and put it in commons please. Ghostieguide 15:21, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppet
What were you thinking. Just have a look at my edit record ! I have a busy house, we frequently have guests from all over the world especially from Austriala and NZ where we have many contacts. If a guest of mine is encouraged to be part of Wikipedia then I would have imagined that to be an asset and not the reverse. We have guests with us from Albany which may be unfamiliar to residents of Perth but which is an excellent town with areas of extraordinary bio-diversity surrounding it. If every time a guest is to be accused of being a sock-pupet, Wikipedia is going to be in for a hard time. 62.6.249.131 09:14, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It wasn't me that blocked you, Velela; I merely asked a checkuser to take a look. If you have an objection to being blocked, I suggest you take it up with the person who blocked you. No doubt he was heard it all before.
 * Since you evidently think that I blocked you, I guess you are unaware of the details of the block. They are:
 * Your sockpuppet User:Melancholia has been blocked indefinitely;
 * Your sockpuppet User:WA Bolton has been blocked indefinitely;
 * Your sockpuppet User:Chrisjk has been blocked indefinitely;
 * You have been blocked for 48 hours for sockpuppetry.
 * Drew (Hesperian) 12:08, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Blocking of User:Velela
As Velela cannot respond himself because of the current block, he has asked me to respond on his behalf. I am a work colleague.
 * 1. The problem - this issue arose because of one article Geoffrey Bolton which was slowly being improved but which one admin, Hesperian  took exception to. It remains, as of today, in its improved condition. A visitor to Velela's house, a respected UK geographer with strong links and much experience working in Australia and new to Wikipedia, asked whether he could also make an edit. An ID was created and he made a perfectly proper edit (which incidentally did not reference or revert to one of Velela's versions) Apparently because an admin believed that he owned the article he then promptly blocked Velela and all the other family accounts used at the same IP.
 * 2. Wikipedia policy - there are no breaches of any policy here. There have been no examples of 3 reverts. There no sockpuppets (unless each PC can be used for only one account.) Even if they were sock-puppets there would have  still been no breach of policy as multiple accounts are allowed, albeit reluctantly.
 * 3. Reputation - I invite you to look at the edit record of Velela and the other accounts that have been blocked. There is nothing but good, well thought through, constructive edits, improving Wikepedia for the benefit of all. There is significant work on combatting vandalism. Were it a case of vandalism, in most cases a warning would be given before a block was imposed. That did not happen. Interestingly the block has now extended by a further 18hours - this is childish and only serves to diminish the reputation of Wikpedia.
 * 4. Moving on - this seems to be an overt mis-use of a power by an admin because his article was being improved. An aplogy to all the blocked users is in order and revertion of the edits made by Hesperian advertising the blocks together with an immediate lifting of the blocks.
 * unsigned comment by User:195.74.110.101
 * I say again: I did not block you, Velela; If you have an objection to being blocked, I suggest you take it up with the person who blocked you. That information is freely available in the Block log, so you have no excuse for these disingenuous accusations. The block log also clearly shows that your block has not been extended, so you can drop that accusation too. Drew (Hesperian) 12:00, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The email that I sent to User:David Gerard is now viewable at User:Hesperian/Email. The truth is out there, Velela. Drew (Hesperian) 12:21, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Crappy Admin
Having problems with the Admin? I'd like to hear all about it. --Masssiveego 09:23, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Thankyou
for you nice work on Henry Bull. --Mathish 05:03, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Lake Barlee
Hey Drew, I've been adding a mapping coordinate template to a lot of WA articles and noticed you had added lat and long to the Lake Barlee article. Just checking whether you are interested in a test project relating to all this? Some clever people have created a way of using this data with lots of mapping programs/webpages including Google Earth and MSN map for Australia. Here's the relevant wiki page and here are various ways of getting the co-ords. A german lad periodically gets all the wiki articles with these tags and creates a KMZ file:. Quite interesting to fly around in Google Earth and find out about the area from wiki articles... (On another tangent here's something for the green and gold article if ur interested .)
 * BTW I created an article for Lake Carey, Western Australia but couldn't find out very much at all about the place online, any thoughts? Cheers SeanMack 10:15, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry to eavesdrop, but what is the policy regarding geographic place names? eg Category:Lakes of Western Australia has some with just the lake name and some with the suffix ", Western Australia". Category:Rivers of Western Australia only has one without the suffix. Category:Towns in Western Australia has none without the suffix. -- Ian &equiv; talk 16:41, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Of/from
I requested the renaming to bring the Australian categories in to line with the other people categories, for example all the American people cats take that form. Of and from are basically interchangable in this context, but from is more compatible with contemporary language. A problem with all the "people from" (and all the ehtnicity categories categories) is who should go in them, people born there, people who lived there for a while etc. I think Category:Convicts transported to Western Australia should be a subcat of Category:Convicts transported to Australia, and should not be a subcat of Category:People from Western Australia. If the convict stayed in Australia after transportation they should be linked with the place where they lived and made an impact (ike Category:People from Melbourne) and also classified according to their origin like Category:English-Australians, Category:Irish-Australians and so on.--nixie 23:25, 29 January 2006 (UTC)


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