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Wardle
A scan would be appreciated. No rush. Djanga 06:46, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Expect it Tuesday morning. Hesperian 10:58, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Sent. Hesperian 01:06, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Got it, thanks. Djanga 03:03, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I cited a point on Wardle from my own 1977 essay about The Western Australian Opera Company. Finding a stub titled 'West Australian Opera', I hastened to consult the phone book and found the company name has indeed been changed. I wonder why, and when. (At least I now know why my 1970s 'life membership' has died in the water :)) Cheers Bjenks (talk) 08:49, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Barbados
Shouldn't Barbados be part of this list? Guettarda (talk) 18:20, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It's listed under the Windward Islands, which is on the list. Hesperian 04:54, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I see. The problem is that Barbados isn't part of theWindward Islands. (I'll answer the other questions on my talk page). Guettarda (talk) 13:17, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying you're wrong—you know this area much better than me—but Barbados is explicitly included in the region defined on the maps at article Windward Islands; and the list of islands at that article, which doesn't contain Barbados, is introduced as a list of the "Antillean Windward Islands". Is it possible that Barbados is part of the "Windward Islands" but not part of the "Antillean Windward Islands"? Hesperian 13:28, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually it's not on the list, and the maps are, to put it simply, crap (e.g., Trinidad and Tobago are also included in the Windwards in this map, while Dominica is excluded). Guettarda (talk) 14:04, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually it's not on the list Yeah, that's what I said.
 * Okay, so the next question is, have the WGSRPD taken slight liberties with geography, in the name of compromise with floristics, such that it is reasonable for us to follow them; or have they made an unacceptable error that must be corrected here? Hesperian 00:50, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry, misread what you said.
 * As far as "Antillean Windwards" goes, I think that term is used to distinguish them from the other groups called Windwards (mentioned in the hatnote). With regards to the second issue - I'm not sure.  There are smaller entities than Barbados that are Level 3, but most (all?) of them probably don't fit easily into other geographic entities.  It makes logical sense to lump Barbados into some larger, Eastern Caribbean entity.  I just have a problem with the name since it is, quite simply, inaccurate.  That said, if we're following a classification scheme, it isn't our place to edit it.  That said, I think it would be useful to add a few explanatory hatnotes - to Cat:Flora of the Caribbean, cat:Flora of Barbados and cat:Flora of the Windward Islands.  Clarity and accuracy are probably good things :)  Guettarda (talk) 14:39, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * By the way, what the heck is the Venezuelan Antilles? Hesperian 04:57, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I understand that the creation of the "Venezuelan Antilles" is one of the possible outcomes of the Dissolution of the Netherlands Antilles which is currently underway. It does not exist at this point in time.  The Netherlands Antilles consist of the Leeward islands, including Bonaire and Curaçao, and the Windward Islands which include Saba, Sint Maarten and Sint Eustatius.  This is a fairly comprehensive rundown.  Djanga 08:12, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, interesting links. But I think in the present context, which is a usage in a 2001 publication, it must exist, and must mean some or all of the federal dependencies of Venezuela, and/or Nueva Esparta, possibly also La Tortuga Island. Hesperian 11:39, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, the Venezuelan Antilles are the Venezuelan islands in the western Caribbean. Guettarda (talk) 13:17, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, my bad. Djanga 14:26, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: Banksia photos
Thanks for the hint. I'll withdraw that nomination and see if I can't find a spike in the condition you subscribe. It may be too late in the year however. Noodle snacks (talk) 13:06, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It'd been there for a while: diff. I just got around to renaming the file prior to the FPC nom. Noodle snacks (talk) 13:12, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm still not fully sure on the ID of that banksia, especially after seeing the "cone", it seems somewhat different from the local Banksia marginata here, but I can't come up with a satisfactory alternative ID Melburnian (talk) 15:25, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Banksia marginata can vary widely in appearance - from 30 cm shrub to a 15 m tree. The only reason it hasn't been split up is that the changes across its distribution appear to be uniform, with no 'zones of rarity' to allow even subspecific classification - a bloody headache. Casliber (talk · contribs) 15:42, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * From the intro to George's latest paper:
 * "Significant variation remains in several taxa but very detailed work is required (beyond the scope of this study) to determine whether distinct taxa can be recognised within them. They include, in particular, B. marginata Cav. which has arborescent and shrubby forms, fire-tolerant and fire-sensitive forms, as well as variation in leaf and follicle morphology."
 * Hesperian 02:52, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi again. I don't think that the cone is hugely representative, the tree is only a few years old. I went back and found that the flower was at a mature stage (and attracting insects). I've added a composite image to the article, which should get the best of both worlds. The exposures are different since the mature spike was lighter in colour. The framing is also slightly different since I no longer own the lens which was used for the first image. Close enough though. Noodle snacks (talk) 09:19, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I have B. Integrifolia, B. Serrata, B. occidentalis (though that may not grow) and B. Prionotes at seedling stage at the moment, so I may have pictures of them for you in a few years time :P. Noodle snacks (talk) 09:25, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * with Hobart weather? youre hopeful :) SatuSuro 09:29, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Nah.. barmy and sunny everyday down there ;)  Aaroncrick (Tassie Boy talk) 09:39, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * At least compared to Launceston anyway :P. I shouldn't have problems with frost at least (being planted relatively close to the water). I am also growing a number of other Australian Natives, the principle aim being to provide a steady supply of food for honeyeaters. We used to have a Tasmanian Waratah in the garden, it died suddenly after quite a few years, they are supposedly very difficult to grow. Fortunately flowers of that species are easy enough to find at the right time of year in the right places.Noodle snacks (talk) 09:43, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Gawd you must be in one of the sandy bay walled garden environments - the mount wellington breeze would be enough to kill off anything that has a sniff of mainland provenance :) SatuSuro 09:49, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha, I'm in Austins Ferry actually. I am in sandy bay fairly regularly for uni though. The spot where the plants are going is both relatively sheltered from wind and sunny (when the sun is out), so fairly ideal. Noodle snacks (talk) 09:54, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well your plants have a chance - I dine out on the mainland as to the ineffectiveness of lined wet weather gear to keep mt wellington breeze induced hypothermia out or off SatuSuro 09:57, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Growing WA banksias is alot easier in Tassie than up here in humid Sydney. I find most sclerophyllous proteaceae quite frost hardy. Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:09, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Essential
Ta for that - good start not crappy - have almost a whole project equivalent arts could come off that one stub but hey - need to finish shark bay sometime :) - and million others - so thanks anyways SatuSuro 06:36, 18 April 2009 (UTC) In two weeks - perth, melbourne and back i am still not what sure of what is the time ok?  (thanks btw) SatuSuro 06:44, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Picking up bad habits
I remember seeing pages on the extinct plants of Hawaii categorized in both flora of Hawaii and extinct flora of Hawaii. I assumed that was standard procedure and did the same for other articles. I am sorry for the inconvenience.--TDogg310 (talk) 03:32, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Mallee
Bloody good idea (scuse if interrupt the flow) I cannot remember seeing any of the euc texts with such a distinction - bloody good! pity I cannot think what to tage the talk page with though :( SatuSuro 13:26, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Right now I'm trying to figure out whether it should be a subcategory of Eucalyptus. I was sure there are non-eucalypt mallees, but I haven't found any yet.... Isn't there an Acacia commonly known as "Mallee Wattle"... and is it so named because it grows as a mallee, or ''in' the mallee?
 * Hmm bloody nightmare that one - like the articles on the bush and outback - contested domains if ever were any :( - http://www.threatenedspecies.environment.nsw.gov.au/tsprofile/profile.aspx?id=10019 suggests one way - bu there is the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mallee -issues arise from the list in that bugger SatuSuro 14:14, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hell i like the b and w in the Mallee (habit) art - wish i had the time to b and w some of my marri forest shots - never enopugh time i say SatuSuro 14:17, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

In 3 references I have at hand it refers to mallees as certain eucalypt species/growth habit. Melburnian (talk) 03:08, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * "eucalypt" sensu lato I presume.
 * http://florabase.calm.wa.gov.au/search/advanced?habit=mallee lists 14 Corymbia and 21 pages of Eucalyptus. I've added an Angophora to the category but I suspect that is an error.
 * Hesperian 03:19, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I've characterised it as exclusive to the eucalypts. Next question: are they unique to Australia? Hesperian 03:25, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * One would assume so, but I haven't yet found a reference that specifically says so. I wonder if we need to make a distinction between Mallee (habit) and Mallee (species) - eucalypt species from mallee areas -  Angophora hispida falls into the first, but not the latter. Also mallee species do not always have a mallee habit. Melburnian (talk) 04:43, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * "Mallee eucalypt" is certainly an ambiguous term, as demonstrated by the common name of Acacia montana: Mallee Wattle. But I find it a little harder to see whhat is confusing about Category:Mallees; do you really think people will interpret anything with "mallee" in its common name as belonging to that category? What do you suggest? Hesperian 05:00, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I was thinking about the article, rather than the category. Given that your category comes with a scope and definition, it is quite precise. Melburnian (talk) 06:20, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad I stalk Hesp's talk page. Very interesting stuff - I never got around to actually figuring out what mallee is. Now I need to know more about lignotubers, what exactly makes a lignotuber a lignotuber, and figure out how widespread they are in vegetation of dry areas adapted to coppicing. Definitely learned something useful this evening. Guettarda (talk) 05:01, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Eucalyptus botanists seems to have their own language for describing habit: mallee, marlock, mallet.... it's very strange. Hesperian 05:08, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem (for me, at least) with Australian ecology/botany is that ecosystems don't map well onto Neotropical systems, and I blame most of it on the eucalypts. The whole temperate-tropical transition is messed up, and rather than either true dry forest or true savanna, you have eucalypts.  With non-eucalypt vegetation embedded in between.  But the most interesting work on the ecophysiology of dry forest vegetation is being done in Australia.  And just a quick glance at mallee (habit) makes me wonder if I should reassess my understanding of Neotropical dry forests... Guettarda (talk) 05:25, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Here in Western Australia, we cleared vast tracts of mallee woodland to plant wheat. The land was semi-arid and infertile, so the wheat farms were marginally profitable at best. And it turned out that those deep-rooted mallees were keeping a saline water table at bay. With the mallees gone, the water table rose, the soil turned saline, and the whole ecosystem was fucked. Now it turns out that some of those mallee species produce so much high quality Eucalyptus oil that farming mallees pays better than farming wheat ever did. They require no care. The tolerate grazing well. They grow well on marginally saline land. Because they are lignotuberous you can harvest them repeatedly without having to replant. They sequester carbon. Processing yields oil, electricity, and a charcoal by-product that improves wheat production when added to the soil(!). They support far more biodiversity than wheat fields. And best of all, little by little they beat the salinity back.

Somehow, I think you'll be heading a lot more about mallees in future.

Hesperian 06:01, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


 * More of my ignorance. I didn't realise this was Western Australia.  I remember when I first read about the situation in the Wheat Belt - probably Margulis work or Hobbs - I was seriously amazed.  I have used that example so many times in teaching.  It's just such a perfect example of ecological interactions, and how they aren't what you think they'd be.  Hadn't kept up with it, didn't realise that replanting trees actually brought a higher economic yield.  Very interesting, very cool.  Guettarda (talk) 14:29, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

PhotoCatBot bug report
Just to let you know that I did finally track down the bug that led PhotoCatBot to incorrectly tag an article again after only a few days. It was hard to identify the source because the bug appears to affect only articles that have mixed-capitalization titles (like Talk:Battle of Cromdale). I have taken the bot offline until I can file an appropriate bug report and write a workaround. Thanks for your bug report and your patience. Tim Pierce (talk) 18:58, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Virginia Pine
Hello Hesperian,

Why is the Virginia Pine considered "near threatened"? There are quite a number of them here where I am. Cheers, ⋙–Berean–Hunter—►  ((⊕)) 01:52, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


 * All I can tell you is http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/42426. Hesperian 01:54, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I'll see what I can find out.. ⋙–Berean–Hunter—►  ((⊕)</b>) 02:02, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * This strictly applies to the State of New York only, who have placed it on a near endangered list..please see the USDA listing to confirm. It is extremely plentiful in its range. NY had a small area in its range once but it has been depleted. Their classification for that state is misleading. I'll post to the article talk page. <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  (<b style="color:#00C">(⊕)</b>) 01:49, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

good to see
Your moniker flash by on the indonesian project monitoring gismoes - suppose it means one day might even try to locate more info on the either undocumented or endangered biota over there SatuSuro 05:23, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Ratings
Thanks for the comment. I sometimes wonder if it worth it, but I try.--Grahame (talk) 07:56, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Red-headed Woodpecker
There is something wrong with the infoxbox on the Red-headed Woodpecker. I do not know what is wrong with it, but I note that you were the last person to edit the page Template:Taxobox. Can you fix it? Snowman (talk) 12:04, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It couldn't figure out the taxobox colour because the kingdom was unlinked. I've fixed that now. Well may you argue that the taxobox should handle such situations more robustly; and you'd be right; but that has nothing to do with me or my edits. Hesperian 12:08, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well spotted. Snowman (talk) 12:49, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

STJFL
Swallow it. It's notable because it is the first and only grand final result to be affected by the Sirengate ruling. The fact that it was juniors is irrelevant. I need to view the Mercury microfilm to get a page number because the story is no longer online. And that entails a visit to the State Library. AFL-Cool 12:28, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Swallow Verifiability. Hesperian 13:00, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Interwikis in templates
Thanks for your reverts. The bot apparently doesn't comprehend new interwiki's in templates, I'll fix it before running it again. Regards, --Maurits (talk) 08:35, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

A shout?
At 125 k ? SatuSuro 03:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Nah, the only edit count milestones I celebrate are prime powers of primes, and preferably ones with small bases and large exponents. Having just passed 3532, I can't celebrate again until 3592. Shortly after that comes The Big One, 217.
 * But hey, we should have a beer some time!
 * Hesperian 04:41, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Neology
Hesperian, perhaps 'Perthling' is a neology but try a few google searches and you'll find that people from perth are called Perthlings. I have no hard reference but there is also no suitable alternative. Tribe of dan (talk) 04:32, 30 April 2009 (UTC) Please also note the use of Perthling on the follow page Demonym Tribe of dan (talk) 04:34, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * G'day mate.
 * The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true. See Verifiability for more information.
 * Hesperian 04:44, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Kellerberrin
Gee it all got a bit heated on the talk page huh? On the upside I finally got my name in wikipedia (even if only in the history logs), so I'll just sit here and bask in my own fame for a while... Sorry that you had to cop all the completely unnecessary crap on that one, you deserve alot better after all your work on the project. --Hughesdarren (talk) 14:03, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Plant taxonomy, redux
Hi, do you know any way to include the eurosid or euasterid clade (I vs II) in a taxobox?

Because that's where all the trouble started. I can - and I assume anyone with a moderate though not professional interest in plants can - tell apart asterids and rosids easily enough; one look at the flowers (petals fused vs unfused) is usually enough. What is much more interesting is the subclade between rosids/asterids and the orders. Because I am trying in vain to get a hold on since 5 years or so (not that I put very much effort in it tho ;-) ) and I presume I'm not the only one who finds this bit hardest to fathom.

So, it would be highly useful if we could include this too, don't you think? What would you propose? Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 11:47, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

PS: Do your interests concern mainly "true" plants, or stuff like chromalveolates also?


 * Unfortunately the only way to put clades into the taxabox is to used the  parameters associated with each rank. There are enough of them between regnum and order for you to do what you want to do. I've made you an example at Bruniaceae; see this diff.
 * At present my interest declines with phyletic distance from the angiosperms.
 * Hesperian 12:35, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Perry Lakes
I don't think it it's out of use entirely - I walked past there yesterday and there were athletes running around the track! Rebecca (talk) 04:03, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Pretty hard to argue with that. Reverted.
 * Welcome to Perth. Visiting or relocated? Hesperian 04:35, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Relocated a couple months ago - love the place so far! Rebecca (talk) 04:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Going going ....not long before its nice real estate for the area :)

viz http://www.cambridge.wa.gov.au/projects/plsa SatuSuro 04:08, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the link - would make for an interesting article. Rebecca (talk) 04:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Few
Read beyond the first line - in the labyinthian user page that I impose on the reader - somewhere in there is the allusion to new years day in java - so yes new years day day sounds like rex mossop or whoever he was a tautological factory from one mouth ..I dont want to sound incredulous...but I can't believe it etc etc SatuSuro 11:24, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Ask, and you shall receive, two months later...
Hey, I have eventually had a look at Model Timber Home - not much for me to do because it's pretty good as is. It's difficult to find any more info on the place because "model timber home" is not much use as a search term! I find it suspicious that Reg Summerhayes helped create the competition, then won the competition, but I suppose Perth didn't have many architects at the time. Somno (talk) 04:19, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Template:Ship
Can you remove the TFD notice from this and all the other templates in the TFD? I can't remove them since they're locked, and the TFD was just closed as a snowball keep. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 15:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

WP:GAN
Much of the material going through nowadays gets some pretty solid reviewing, and it helps to have done so for FAC, so I thought I'd sling Banksia prionotes through. Any fixes for GA should be fairly straightforward, and then work towards FAC. You gonna do anything with Banksia sessilis? Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:22, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * BTW I have a huge number of unloaded pics of the local sesselis from almost any angle or state - bit like anatomical mega overkill - just say the word and I'll spill it into commons if you like (but I have to do it when wow addict son is not on which make take a few days) or otherwise I can scan the lot and drop it off at work next week if you like... not offended if you dont want to see another pic again tho SatuSuro 13:56, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Sounds good - an excess of images is a nice luxury :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:05, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but if they ever get uploaded it will be embarrassingly undue emphasis :( SatuSuro 14:46, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Reply
I think copious amount of blank spaces, especially the kind that leaves a large chunk of blank spots in-between paragraphs are undesirable. I personally do not like extra blank spaces in between images, but I understand you point. However in this case I was trying to figure out a way to lessen the blank spots (i.e. in the external links section) in stub articles Banksia leptophylla, Banksia calophylla, Banksia oblongifolia. I thought for appearance reasons it might look better.--TheLeopard (talk) 01:36, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Flora of Australia
I have started (rather messily) on a history section, which is I think the last piece WRT comprehensiveness in taking this to FA maybe (?) Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:10, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm no good at these broad overview articles. I would get all hung up on the fact that the Miocene collision of the Australian plate and the Sunda Arc, with all its profound floristic implications, is reduced to one petty sentence. And before you know it, its 2019 and the article is 2Gb long, and still not ready for FAC. Hesperian 13:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * (sigh) I know. I have experienced the mutilation of a magnum opus at FAC twice now and it ain't fun...Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:11, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

google tests
''It is not at all irrelevant; the result of that query either refutes your premise that the scientific name is less recognisable than the vernacular names; or it refutes your premise that the google test is useful for assessing the relative recognisability of names. Either way, your argument is refuted. Thankyou for providing me with a diff in which you have explicitly stated that the google test is useless for determining the relative familiarity of scientific and vernacular names to non-specialist readers. I'll be sure to keep it to hand'' Oh snap! Sabine's Sunbird  talk  00:52, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but Art Nouveau ceramics?! Hesperian 05:41, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oddly enough, my Mum is an expert. Sabine's Sunbird  talk  07:31, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Atlas of Australian Birds
WEre you aware that this was under reassessment for GA? You wrote it I believe  YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) 05:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah mate, I know. I started it, but Maias expanded it and took it through GA. I don't bother with GA myself. Hesperian 05:45, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Awww, I am finding we're getting some pretty good reviews at GAN now, and it can serve as a sooper dooper flagged revision on the long trek to FAC...Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:46, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Intercession needed
Please refer to User talk:Giraffedata. Even though numerous editors have objected to his obsessive removal of the gramatically acceptable term "consists of" from hundreds of articles, he defiantly continues to do so. Your assistance here is appreciated. Contributions/209.247.22.164 (talk) 16:29, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The phrase at issue is "comprised of" not "consists of". Giraffedata is changing from a phrasing that some people find grammatically unacceptable, to a phrasing that is acceptable to everyone. I agree that it seems "obsessive", but not more so than your opposition to it. Hesperian 23:27, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops, my mistake, sorry! However, if his phrasing "is acceptable to everyone", why are so many people objecting to his edits on his talk page? 209.247.22.164 (talk) 13:56, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * From what I can tell, people are complaining that the edits are unnecessary, rather than that they are degrading the prose. You, for example, have spammed a number of talk pages with the above, which asserts only that the term being replaced is "grammatically acceptable", and makes no comment on whether the replacement results in a sentence that is more or less grammatically acceptable. Hesperian 14:11, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Plant dabs
I noticed that you created a plant dab for poinsettia. Are there format guidelines for around somewhere? Thanks. (BTW, I don't know the sequence of development, but is a much better template name than  because it avoids implications of MOS:DAB format conflicts.) ENeville (talk) 14:35, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Set indices were invented partly to get around the very stringent disambiguation page guidelines. Plant common names are a good example where those guidelines are too inflexible. I'm not sure where the relevant documentation on set indices is; Una Smith can probably tell you. Hesperian 01:04, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thx. :-) ENeville (talk) 21:11, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Called in a favour
Eusebeus has a way with succinct and crisp prose so I called in a favour to get things moving on North Island (Houtman Abrolhos) as you should bat that one over the line. I don't have any near there as all the banksia ones still need more content before fine-tuning of prose. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:30, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Goodonyamate. Hesperian 23:12, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

is out
Historical_Encyclopedia_of_Western_Australia my critique would fill 3 foolscap pages double spaced - the fact that it claims comprehensivenes and doesnt include anything like our centenary article shows it is flawed :) - not single person named article in the damned thing of 700 pages - no courts no forrests etc etc - also gregory writes an intro that reads like she is on a mission statement to take over god's position in the scheme of things - very unfortunate - will go down as the sound bytes that didnt go anywhere - short 1000 word arts that cannot really say anything - dont waste 100 dollars borrow mine :) SatuSuro 14:18, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Yuk it looks like the 3 per cent economy cut has created an unfriendly and particularly vicious interface - oh well at least I can say I knew henrietta well - and indeed was capable of lifting her skirts for some useful stuff - RIP user fiendly henriatta and gday from the mindless deadheads who fiddle the culture and arts budgets SatuSuro 07:34, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

http://henrietta.slwa.wa.gov.au/screens/libinfo.html could be anywhere on the damned planet SatuSuro 07:41, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I had the same thought. They've bought a generic cataloguing package, and then gone live with it before they had customised the thing. The least they could have done with stick a logo and the word LISWA on it somewhere. Hesperian 11:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Phew what a relief she looks ok now - some decorum - mind you current news will always be a prob here - heheh http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10273277-93.html - may he RIP (unlikely) SatuSuro 00:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

HMB vs HMS
I resent being described as an "unwashed mass". :) Euryalus (talk) 04:34, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry; next time I'll call you a Hoi polloi. :-) Hesperian 04:46, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Editing
I'll be back. I just have to move away from that mess. --69.226.103.13 (talk) 08:40, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Proposed community ban of NYScholar
Hello. You have previously commented on issues related to User:NYScholar. I have just proposed that NYScholar be community banned here. I am contacting you partly because your participation in the discussion would be welcome, but also because I have referred to your past comments, and want to give you the chance to ensure that I am not misconstruing them or using them out of context. Best, Steve Smith (talk) (formerly Sarcasticidealist) 07:06, 27 June 2009 (UTC)


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