User talk:Hesperian/Archive 5


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Hall of Fame
Thanks for intervening so promptly and my apologies for reacting in a hot and bothered manner. I actually don't mind soccer that much, I just don't like their campaign to monopolise the term "football". ρ¡ρρµ δ→θ∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!)  06:56, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Prickly
May not be in the general literature, but sometime in the past some sources claim is an excellent indicator of presence of dieback. Howzat from someone who is not all here/there? SatuSuro 00:43, 14 March 2006 (UTC) Not only, but one whumperdangger of a toothache and the head keeps getting bashed on the cellar roof while collecting 10 year old heavily dusted boxes of things, and the daily nuisance barking dog is louder than the easterlies up here!(I think either a tom waits or early dylan song could be made out of all of this)   :)      SatuSuro 02:24, 15 March 2006 (UTC) Nope, two weeks to clear out of here, but an eternity unpacking and sorting  :)  heheh.SatuSuro 14:06, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again
Thanks for fixing up my user page - it's the first time I've ever experienced vandalism on it. Did you pick it up by noticing that 62.254.168.102 had rapidly done it on about 10 user pages? Look carefully, and one of the pages that copped the identical copy of the notice is actually the culprit. Hint: he was active on the Brisbane Line and Australian rules football around the same time, and admits as much on his home page. ρ¡ρρµ δ→θ∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!)  12:20, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

impersonator
There was a debate going on in the IRC whether we had an admin named Hesperian or something like that. Guess we were right. &rArr;   SWAT Jester     Ready    Aim    Fire!  07:34, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Hawke
Thanks, that'd be appreciated. There a few big holes (dates particularly) which I'd decided was going to need some legwork. -- Ian &equiv; talk 04:07, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Email received with thanks - Ian &equiv; talk 01:56, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Mitchell/Colebatch
I was getting them mixed up. Good spot. -- Ian &equiv; talk 04:10, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Byp rdr vs byp Dab
A Dab is not a form of redirect, as you seem to assume in yr edit summarized as "Redirect bypass from William Burges to William Burges (architect) using popups". If yr popups enforced that summary, please don't use that tool in that way, and tell me where you got it so i know which toolmaker to complain to. Plz don't confuse your colleagues with false terminology. --Jerzy•t 06:34, 18 March 2006 (UTC) Yeah, yr probably right. Tnx. --Jerzy•t 14:49, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

My Username
Hi. In June last year my username User:Jebus Christ was blocked. I discovered recently that the admin responsible User:Secretlondon was involved in protecting the article relating to the profet mahommed images under the banner of freedom of speach. I personally find this hypocritical.

I've started a petition to get my username back. If you support this can you please sign my petition on my talk page User talk:Jebus Christ.

Thanks Jimididit 12:04, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Heidi Choat
Thank you for your recent comment on the AfD discussion page for this article at Articles_for_deletion/Heidi_Choat, advocating that the article be kept on Wikipedia. Your time and interest is much appreciated. The outcome of the discussion was that AfD tag was removed and the article was kept, so thank you for your part in assisting this outcome! I note that the admin who reviewed the article and removed the tag has replaced it with a 'not verified' tag. I have read Verifiability, and although there is only one main newspaper article available as a source for my Wikipedia article, that Wikipedia policy definitely allows for an article based on one reliable source, providing a newspaper article as a specific example of this. I am wondering if you would mind reviewing this and, if you agree (and if someone has not already done so), perhaps please removing the tag, maybe citing Verifiability in the Edit Summary note? If you would prefer not to be involved, I understand of course! Thank you so much once again... Tiffany. --SilverWings 21:56, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

J is Me
Do you have any evidence that the anonymous users logging in were Jisme? Or not just some troublemakers? I think you have not acted well in this matter. --Licinius 04:27, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Swan river expedition 1827


Hi in the article on Carnac you ask about this expedition i mentioned a plaque on the ellenbrook camp site 1827 well here it is


 * Image:Centenary stone ellenbrook swanriver.jpg

Also Henry Morley is buried there as well as early judge for the colony Macake (spelling) he served for 27 years. no pics but will be back out there tuesday let me know if you want. Gnangarra 07:59, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I went back there today got some more pictures including Mackie (all loaded in commons under the all saints church category), found this little gem, look at the high res image and you can read the whole exert.



Thanks
With a bit of luck that matter will be resolved at last. Grant65 | Talk 08:06, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Please note
I'm bored with all the trolling on this page regarding this sockpuppet check. All edits to this page by people standing accused of sockpuppetry will be summarily reverted until the matter is closed. Hesperian 11:40, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Cullen
You might want to check this sentence in Joseph Cullen. "In 1889 he was elected to the New South Wales Legislative Assembly seat of Leonards on a ." I'm sensing there's a missing word or two there. :) Ambi 03:53, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Ozchief wants you help
Ozchief, User talk:Ozchief, wants to further discuss copyright law with you, see their talk page. Cheers, --Commander Keane 05:59, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Prospector categories
Greetings from the Klondike. I noticed you created Category:Prospectors today and peopled it mainly with Australian gold rush prospectors. While poking around, I noticed that there is also a previously created Category:Gold prospectors, with only William Barker (prospector) in it, who you also put in the new category. I made the Gold prospectors category a sub of the new one & categorized the new one under mining. I'm thinking of putting in four or five Klondike Gold Rush figures in one of the two categories, but before I do that, I'm wondering whether we should merge the two categories at this point, given the relatively small number of articles and the fact that they are all gold prospectors. What are your thoughts? Luigizanasi 06:43, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for you reply on my talk page. After giving it some thought and poking around a bit more, I think we should keep both categories, as they can both easily be populated a bunch of people who already have articles. Luigizanasi 01:34, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Block question
I note from your comments here that you'd be asking for a block, but I don't yet see one. I unblocked last time so I'm fairly sure I'd qualify not as "uninvolved" but as "unbiased." Drop a quick summary with diffs on my user page and I'll do the dirty work if I think it's merited and I'll write it up at ANI either way. - brenneman  {L}  01:36, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * User_talk:Aaron_Brenneman
 * Ok, I've started (just barely) looking into it. If you want to have another look at what you've written, and a re-write from the third person would be good.  I'm also doing some slight re-factoring and if you see anything that looks wrong sofixit.  brenneman  {L}  03:37, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Ook. I've lost some information in making the IP list tabular, where you mentioned a problem with the block log?  But my normally slow ISP is even slower today, so could I ask you to put that note back in for me?  Looking throught the diffs to find it will take fe forever.  Sorry. -  brenneman  {L}  04:51, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

My Side of This NSWelshman 13:50, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Favour
Oh dear. I'm sorry I wasn't around to help. I hadn't realised just how far this "football" turf war extended. --cj | talk 05:41, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Perfectly understandable. Quite clearly you are not engaged in any war; you attend the discussion as a rational Wikipedian. To my eyes, however, this entire problem arises from the fact that vested interests are fighting amongst themselves. These users are not behaving as Wikipedians - they are parochial, and should be dealt with harshly when they overstep the mark, as they did in attacking you.--cj | talk 06:01, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I misread the discussion page. Happy editing (when you return), --cj | talk 06:23, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * If anyone wants to look over the notes that Hesperian's post has turned into and offer critisicm that would still be helpful. - brenneman  {L}  06:44, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, now I understand what went on. Drew has acted appropriately.--cj | talk 09:51, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Chapter and verse
I would like you to justify your J_is_me block as explicitly per policy as possible on my talk. - brenneman  {L}  00:25, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

IRC now?
(NO TEXT) - brenneman  {L}  12:31, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Allegations
Hesperian,

As it appears that the basis for my allegations was incorrect I appologise for making the allegations. Anyone who works in my field should be well aware that circumstantial evidence is only grounds for an investigation, not for an allegation. I should have investigated the matter further before making an allegation. I also should have investigated wikipedia policy further to find a more appropriate place to make the allegation than in the talk pages of articles. NSWelshman 16:31, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I am now posting under this name not as a sockpuppet but because I can and than noone will know that I was after administraters. I feel it is easier this way and inform you with the best faith intended. --Collins1921 13:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Just for the record, user Collins1921 is not me. NSWelshman 11:16, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

WA politicians
If you are working your way through WA state politicians, when you get to William Butcher (MLA for Gascoyne, 1901-1911 and Roebourne 1915-1917), , be sure to note that he was my great-grandfather. Adam 08:51, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

My Perth great-grandmother, whom I met once when I was ten and she was 90, was a Brockman. All the WA Brockmans and Drake-Brockmans are descended from Rev Julius Drake-Brockman of Cheriton, Kent. See my family tree here. Adam 03:39, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The photos were taken in Australia before 1956 and are thus in the public domain.
 * I don't know about Noel Butcher, I will ask my mother the next time I see her. Adam 03:17, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

You may be right - I have given up trying to understand copyright issues here. Adam 03:38, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

I just noticed that Edith Cowan is marked on your to-do list as "needing work". What's the problem with it? (this is one of mine) Ambi 04:00, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


 * No worries. :) I wasn't taking offence - was just curious as to what the issues were. Good to know it's nothing major. Ambi 04:30, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I thought he was accusing me of being your sockpuppet! :D Ambi 06:35, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

I'll get it soon - I'm sure it'll be sitting somewhere in this room. It'll just have to wait a day or two - I'm frantically trying to finish a nonsense gender studies essay. Ambi 01:16, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello, I've created William Loton, just wondering if you'd run your eye over it given your WA history expertise...--Hack 05:06, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that...--Hack 07:53, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Albert Hawke
Finally got around to it and thanks. Have a good weekend. -- Ian &equiv; talk 08:00, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I did wonder and took a punt it was pre 1955. What's involved in making a fair-use claim? -- Ian &equiv; talk 13:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

William Butcher photo
Thanks for pointing that out. I have fixed it. Adam 10:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Poor form
Indeed. Thanks ;) -- Ian &equiv; talk 06:42, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I hope you don't mind me having a crack at that ... -- Ian &equiv; talk 13:06, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you have anything in your vast library for (Sir) H.K. 'Keith' Watson, MLC 1948 ? And if so would you care to share? --
 * Thanks but as you said, very little biographical stuff (except was born in WA to Victorian parents who emigrated to Southern Cross during the 1890s goldrush;). Nothing else there I didn't already have.  I can't even work out his full name. -- Ian &equiv; talk 11:56, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I've probably now got enough for a stub. Nice work on Vosper BTW -- Ian &equiv; talk 01:42, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Leader of the Opposition (Western Australia)
Any chance of seeing this finished off? Ambi 07:28, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * No rush. :) Ambi 06:01, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Drummond
You are the watchlist king (edit conflict)! -- Ian &equiv; talk 04:35, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Stop deleting pages that were voted to be kept
Template:User independent Iraq, see its talk page. ROGNNTUDJUU! 03:58, 5 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Firstly, the result of the discussion was no consensus not keep; and secondly, the recreation of deleted content is not permitted, and may be speedily deleted on sight. If you feel that the deletion of the template was inappropriate, you can request a review at Deletion review. Hesperian 04:01, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course deleting a page that was voted not to be deleted is inappropriate, therefore recreation comes naturally. I already went to Deletion review, you can make your comments there rather than delete. ROGNNTUDJUU! 04:09, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * There was a vote that you ignored. Even if it had been 5 to 9 you still would not have been entitled to speedy delete as the debate shows it cannot be as easy tagged "divisive" as you would like to. ROGNNTUDJUU! 04:36, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't delete the template because I thought it was divisive. I deleted it because it was a re-post of deleted material. Reposts of deleted material may be speedily deleted on sight. Hesperian 04:46, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but that is idiotic. If you do it that way, any admin who ever chooses to delete something or even does it by accident can never be corrected. The deletion clearly ignored a vote, so recreating it and in case of any concerns taking it to deletion review is obviously the best alternative. Please restore immediately. To be honest, your change of argumentation from "there was no consensus" to "did it for some other reason" seems rather awkward to me. ROGNNTUDJUU! 04:54, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Now you even call me a liar. Ican no longer assume good faith. First you back your deletion with "there was no consensus". Then you change to "had already been deleted, so I was entitled to delete again". You know what: The deletion debate had taken place exactly because someone had speedy deleted and others did not agree. Decision was 9 to 5 to keep. I call 9 to 5 a consensus. It is nearly 2/3, that can be easily called a consensus, and as far as I know, wikipedia usually uses 60 percent to call a majority a consensus. ROGNNTUDJUU! 05:03, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * You behaviour is self-righteous censorship. If you do not like a vote there are ways to reviews. Speedy deletion was out of place in the first place and redoing it in spite of someone pointing out to you it was wrong is just abusive. ROGNNTUDJUU! 05:29, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Rot. I haven't even bothered to vote in the review, that's how much I care about your silly userbox. I deleted the template because it was a re-creation of deleted content. I will continue to oppose your false assertions that there was consensus to keep, because there wasn't. I have nothing else to say. Hesperian 05:37, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I already explained why redeleting something that to delete was wrong in the first place is obviously wrong. If you have nothing to say why do you not just keep away instead of deleting the work of others? ROGNNTUDJUU! 05:41, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Peter Broun's wife
The article says In 1824 he married Caroline Simpson, and his first son was born in Scotland in 1827.

The Australian Dictionary of Biography (cited) says He spent his early life in Scotland as a gentleman clerk, and in 1825 married Caroline, daughter of James Simpson of Dumfriesshire.

A minor issue, but any thoughts? -- Ian &equiv; talk 10:51, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Date linking
One way is about as good as another; to me consistency would seem to be the key, at least within a single article. Well, if it's resolved (for now), I can go along about as well as anyone else, so thanks for keeping me well-versed. (I really have always felt that once per article for almost anything is about enough unless the article is really long.)

Regards, Rlquall 02:17, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Re:Cite.php
Oops. I think my mouse must've done something weird. I only meant to insert the word "the" in the lead paragraph. enochlau (talk) 04:31, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Battye
Have you ever seen this? -- Ian &equiv; talk 06:08, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. In fact I like to take some of the credit for it. Shortly after the AU-US free trade agreement kicked in the new copyright laws, I contacted Col Choat and suggested that as Battye had died in 1954, his work was in the public domain and it would be great to get some of it put on gutenberg.au. He initially disputed that works by authors who died in 1954 were in the public domain, but I managed to convince him they were by pointing him to certain documents on the Copyright Australia website. He was very happy because he had already keyboarded a number of Miles Franklin works and had thought he wouldn't be allowed to put them up for another twenty years. Shortly afterwards Battye's History of WA up. Hesperian 06:18, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Jolly good show old chap. -- Ian &equiv; talk 06:22, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Houtman Abrolhos
Can you review mine and other edits at the above and tell me whether I've been sucked into something. -- Ian &equiv; talk 06:45, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Abusive edit summaries
There are too many on too many articles to find all the references. Mind you, they all would amount to defamation. So, if you can be bothered, I would like them removed. Xtra 02:16, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thankyou for cleaning them off my talk page. michael talk 06:30, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thankyou. That's quite a bit of work. Xtra 07:23, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing my edit history. Andjam 11:34, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

HOW DARE YOU?!?! Talk pages are sacred things! Don't ever remove stuff from my page again!!! Just kidding. :-) No problem. Thanks for your help. See you around, my friend. -- LV (Dark Mark)  13:31, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

And thanks from me also. --Calair 06:01, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Here's another one. Somebody out there has way too much time on their hands. --Calair 12:16, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I've noticed that the deleted histories of some pages like user talk:Curps still contain legitimate edits. You should restore the legit edits, in my opinion. --Ixfd64 21:28, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

More IPs at it -- see here. ～J.K. 01:48, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

first post
You got there before me! - I@n &equiv; talk 00:29, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * You are too polite! Emailing. -- I@n &equiv; talk 00:48, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Catalpa day
Unfortunatly I will be doing Tunnel Tours that Monday, so I am not involved, and can`t help. However I will be around. not sure how many tours are going as I have been off work for a while, Call direct to book. Ghostieguide 03:50, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks & a favour.
Hello again. You may remember me as the one who wanted the Futurama Portal deleted. As you are an admin, could you please delete User:M Johnson/Babel & Top 10. I am no longer using it on my page. Also, thankyou for removing the vandalism on my user page--M Johnson (talk • contribs) 02:22, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Banksia robur?
I have noticed that you identified my Baskia photo as possibly Banksia robur. I don't really think this is correct, but would like your help in identifying it. I was an idiot, and didn't photograph the leaves, but the photo was taken in Gloucester Tops (part of Barrington Tops National Park). I read that B. robur likes swamp/sandy soils, and this is almost the opposite to what Gloucester Tops is. So do you have any ideas as to what this could be? It was up high, and the temperature is basically never above 30, and snows on occasion. --liquidGhoul 12:51, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Perth
Why have a notice at the top of the article saying what redirects here? If someone typed in Perth, Western Australia that's got to be what they want to see. Yes/No? -- I@n &equiv; talk 12:07, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Perth, Australia is now not a redirect but is a disambig page. So if you type Perth, Australia, you choose which article you go to. The only way to get to Perth, Western Australia is to type it directly, or via links on the two disambig pages Perth and Perth, Australia (or other links to Perth, Western Australia). -- I@n &equiv; talk 00:34, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Western Australian secession movement
First cut is up -- I@n &equiv; talk 12:09, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * In Secession, it says Western Australia has had two referenda for secession, both of which were passed. Two? -- I@n &equiv; talk 00:23, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Article is now in the public domain. Edit without mercy. -- I@n &equiv; talk 00:29, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Gulp
Long unarchived talk page eh? Up for air, off air again tommmorrow. gulp. CheersSatuSuro 15:42, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Jisme
You called my mates a troll for no reason, contravening several policies in doing so. Now I return as a troll haha 14:51, 21 April 2006 (UTC)Jisme
 * I know this was confusing, and I came here to check up anyway, but please remind me: This is the other guy, right? Not the one I suggested get another chance?  Or possibly it's actually the guy I suggested giveing another chance trying to make trouble for the other guy...  Or someone else trying to make trouble for them both...  Or it's you trying to validate your previous block...  Or it's me making an excuse to come to your talk page because I have a terrible crush...  Man I hate sockpuppets.


 * Anyway, has the decision we came to panned out? Don't be too shy to tell me I totally cocked up.


 * brenneman {L}  00:22, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Xtra's stalker and Lang Hancock
G'day Hesperian,

good work with your efforts on cleaning up after Xtra's stalker. I'd just like to point out, though, that in restoring the non-vandal edits, you missed a spot :-). I use a Firefox bookmarklet (presumably works in other browsers too), the source of which I cannot recall.  If you add the following code to a toolbar bookmark:

(code hidden in a comment so's it doesn't screw up your scrolling)

By the way, I notice your nice new article on Westralian trea ... err, secession ... refers to the "West Australia First Party". The original Lang Hancock article as I found it on cleanup referred to this party, too, but I removed it 'cos I couldn't find a source. I don't suppose you've got one, wouldja? And if so, could you maybe edit Lang Hancock to suit? :-)

Cheers, fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 10:36, 26 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Re: Western Australia First Party. I been going over all my refs and now cannot find where I got it from (typical) but I know I didn't make it up! I'm more than happy to remove it from the secession article for the time being. -- I@n &equiv; talk 01:48, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


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