User talk:Hesperian/Archive 6


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Looks like Licinius is back
Hi Snotty, have a squiz at User:Mr nice guy's edits/posts at Football and Talk:Football. Tragically familiar. Is there anyway we can get rid of this bozo without the rigamarole we went through last time? Grant65 | Talk 13:05, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. Grant65 | Talk 10:14, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Sirengate
Good work on starting the article. I'm not really sure about the title though, I've never heard of it referred to as Sirengate but I guess it'll have to do for now. I'll add some more details soon. Cheers,  R o  gerthat  Talk  03:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I've aired my thoughts on the discussion page of the article.  R o  gerthat  Talk  03:30, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Jim Maxwell (commentator)
''/Temp article now deleted; sorry I@n, I didn't notice your comment until after I rewrote the article. Hesperian 01:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)''
 * Haha. That's quite OK. But should we remove the AFD template from the article?  Someone arriving there now may think the current version is up for deletion. Seing you're the promoter, you should probably do it. (although it's not really promoted, as the AFD is still open - I'm unsure of protocol here). Suggest: be bold! -- I@n &equiv; talk 05:36, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello. Is there a way to clarify the decision behind the keep? Considering that the content which is being kept is not the same as the entry I nominated, it is important that this distinction be made. Folajimi 12:25, 3 May 2006 (UTC)talk

Australian rules football in Canada.
sorry that was a mistake Betacommand 02:45, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Top Fourteen
This was not a repost of the deleted article, it was a re-written article that addressed the concerns for which the first one was nominated. --Cheapestcostavoider 05:24, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

The first article was nominated as a "neologism" because the only source was a blog, whereas this article cited over half a dozen reliable sources. I think it's pretty clearly not the same article. --Cheapestcostavoider 05:38, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Jazzper
Would you agree that it is appropriate to formally institute a community (ie, us) ban against Doobi18/Jazzper? It is essentially that already, but not nominally so - he remains "blocked".--cj | talk 07:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Nevermind. He is banned and there is consensus for it. I was confused with the terminology.--cj | talk 08:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Editcountitis is fatal
What the? Firstly my edits are 665 + 9219  = 9884. So your wrong! Where are you looking? And why doesn't Kate tool or Interiot's tool show my totals combined? Any ideas? -- I@n &equiv; talk 03:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * You're right again Mr. 9088 - Thanks. -- I@n &equiv; talk 03:42, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Accounts
No, I'm not either of those users. It wouldn't make very much sense for me to AfD an article, argue vehemently against my own nomination and then re-write it. --Cheapestcostavoider 02:19, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Re Robert Palin

 * ''Your move of Robert Palin to Robert Thomas Palin was contrary to accepted practice...

Gosh. Sorry about that; thanks for the pointer and reversion. Best wishes, David Kernow 02:12, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

John Howard
In context it doesn't make much difference. But backbenchers are in government. They aren't in the cabinet, or the ministry. But they are in government. Just as labor backbenchers are not in the shadow ministry, but they are part of the opposition.

''I have consulted a number of sources, and I'm certain you're wrong. Legally, the government is the governor-general and his executive council. By convention, the government is the cabinet. Either way, backbenchers are by definition not in government. Hesperian 08:59, 8 May 2006 (UTC)''

OK, so take away the backbenchers. Would the cabinet still be in government? Alan Baskin 10:22, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


 * No. What's your point? By that argument half the electors would be in government too. Hesperian 11:47, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


 * No. My point is that the cabinet, plus the outer ministry, plus government backbenchers make up the "government", as Australians know it.   Of course, given that we're still a constitutional monarchy, the Queen (or her governor general) are the only ones who can sign anything into law.  But to argue that "government" backbenchers are not part of the government is absurd.  Anyway, in the case of your edit of the John Howard article, I agree "party" is a more appropriate word than "government", so maybe we should let it rest there. Alan Baskin 03:50, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Honorifics
Hi, please have a look at Village_pump_%28policy%29. Thanks Arniep 11:40, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Wittenoom
''I saw your edits to Wittenoom, Western Australia, and thought I'd blue the red link to Edward Wittenoom. Also did Charles Wittenoom, and turned Wittenoom into a disambig. In the process I discovered that Frank was Edward's brother, not his son, so made a correction to the town article. If you're planning on writing Frank Wittenoom, there's some decent info here, and I can tell you his full name was Frederick Francis Burdett Wittenoom. Hesperian 00:44, 9 May 2006 (UTC)''
 * Thanks. Have you ever seen Frank's memoirs? ? -- I@n &equiv; talk 01:14, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * BTW, I made Wittenoom Gorge, Western Australia a redirect to Wittenoom, Western Australia as the two are inextricably linked. Was this the right thing to do? -- I@n &equiv; talk 01:19, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Until someone decides to write an article on the Gorge. Have you ever been there? Hesperian 03:14, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, when I was about 5 :) -- I@n &equiv; talk 03:29, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

toodyay.tv
Hi Hesperian. I recently had a bore hole drilled near Toodyay and the diviner used Hesperian trees to line up with where he said the water stream was as he said they always are above a deep water source.

I am writing this however, because you removed the Toodyay Community forum (toodyay.tv)link. Its not commercial. However toodyay.com is purely commercial and it is still there. The www.toodyay.tv site is a new community forum and in a town as small as Toodyay, for it to have over 1000 hits per day it means it is of interest to toodyay people. With no advertising its now being visited by people from the UK and South Africa even. Its not a personal website. Politics, historic, strategy historical policy drafts etc are discussed, downloadable etc. Its just started but already is a a valuable resource on Toodyay and will grow in the months ahead.

Michael Kamins
Most odd behaviour - thanks -- I@n &equiv; talk 02:16, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Good call
Good call on User:190_Proof; I was tracking sockpuppets of banned user Enviroknot, and was just heading over to tag and block that one when I saw you had already done it. I think it may well be time to make a WP:ABUSE complaint to the University of Houston. Essjay ( Talk  • Connect  ) 04:30, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I raised the 3RR problems with User:190_Proof originally. I was suspicous about him - his edit summaries appeared to be written specifically to appear harmless. Was there somewhere else I could have raised the problems? Nloth 07:12, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Politician cats
If you need a hand, just let me know where to start. --Peta 00:46, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll start on the Reps, I have some serious procrastinating to do today.--Peta 00:51, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Should it be Category:Members of the Australian House of Representatives from , or for ?--Peta 00:53, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

With the WA cats, you might want to subordinate Politicians of WA to People of WA and remove the latter from articles. Ambi 00:58, 11 May 2006 (UTC) (in a hurry so being terse)

I haven't removed any cats, most of them weren't in the House of Reps category to begin with.--Peta 02:42, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Category:Members of the Australian Senate for the Northern Territory
Is the intention for this category to include both present and former members of the Senate? If so, we can add Grant Tambling. I note that we do not seem to have an article for Bob Collins who as a Keating minister in notable. If the intention is only the former it is a category that can only have two people in it at present. --Bduke 07:32, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Unblocking
Thankyou very much for the unblock Hesperian. Regards, ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 04:34, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

John Holman
One of NASCAR's most famous owners is also named John Holman (of Holman/Moody fame), and we have begun preparing an article. Disambiguous links need to be made for both articles. I would have moved your John Holman article myself, but I didn't know what would be appropriate to add to his name to make it disambiguous. Would you come up with an appropriate name for your article, move it, and we'll take care of the rest. Thanks Royalbroil 14:35, 13 May 2006 (UTC) (WikiProject NASCAR)

Deleting of my article
Dear Sir or Madam, You have deleted without explanation an article that I have written. I would very much appreciate if you would provide one to me. I strive to edit in a relevant and inoffensive manner, and any major changes that I recommend (such as proposed deletions or substantial edits) I discuss on the entry's Talk Page first. Prior to deleting the article Top Fourteen, I would have preferred that you extended to me the same courtesy. Yours, Ryanluck 15:11, 15 May 2006 (UTC) I've since read the ArD discussions and defer to the consensus of the community. Ryanluck 17:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Scrumdiddilyumptious listed for deletion
An article that you have been involved in editing, Scrumdiddilyumptious, has been listed at Articles for deletion/Scrumdiddilyumptious. Please look there to see why this is, if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. :) Dlohcierekim 18:18, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Banksias
G'day Hesperian. I'm just an enthusiast too, but I done alot of reading now and nagged alot of botanists and horticulturists over the years :) Am dead jealous - wished I lived in WA cheers Cas

PS: Starting to get a bunch more photos to put on too......(is it worthwhile trying to get as a featured article?) Cas Liber 22:04, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Blnguyen
It just occurred to me that you may have wondered what this edit was about. FYI, it refers to a discussion I had with Srikeit and Blng on the possibility of an RfA sponsored by the 3 of us. It seems he's keeping his powder dry for the moment so we'll just have to wait. -- I@n &equiv; talk 10:32, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Tom Waits and Singapore
As i said to I@n:- 'The shift may have finished physically, but the head is in hobart, sydney and singapore still (only the latter two were visited in reality since shift). I do hope at least a part of the message makes sense, i have over a 100 small plants from the glen forrest wildflowers native plant sale to put out before next rain. after that i might make sense! cheers! trust you were well clear of the pubs last night!' as for shifting anonymous, i have been through the twelve steps of hysteria of having 3 very large storage units full of unsorted material...  :)   may well be offline when you hit 20,000 !!! I trust all is well in your neck of the sandflat!  SatuSuro 11:40, 18 May 2006 (UTC) And I havent forgotten I promised you an ephemeral piece of history in the past. Will get around to moving on from the malaise of my fieldwork location (destroyed literally by the earthquake on saturday) and other javanese things to get back to good ole west aussie!SatuSuro The book that is acidic but has the dedication between the two famous persons of w.a. past.... SatuSuro 12:04, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

David Hay
what's with moving David Hay, Australian Politician - is there another political David Hay? (actually I'm looking to tidy up the stubs created not using the common names but saw this one also) Garrie 03:52, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Refer: my talk page - Thanks for the info it all makes purfect sense sorta! Garrie 00:39, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey, was David Hay (WA) really Western Australian Legislative Council Member for Wellington? I thought the various LC's were all "statewide representation" - if he was the member for Wellington shouldn't he have been in the LA?

banksia at gloucester
Aha -the locality cinches it! I just figutred it out - it is a Banksia integrifolia monticola in late bud, this subspecies parallels the coastal integrifolia up the NSW coast from mt Wilson northwards - cool photo cheers Cas Liber Banksia Study Group leader

PS: Will get more photos up soon - getting tired now...................

Fair use rationale for Image:Australian $50 note paper front.jpg
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Blnguyen
He just got caught up in an autoblock, feel free to use your magical admin powers! (unblock) michael talk 03:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for reverting the vandalism Hesperian, and the unblock. Regards, Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 04:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC).

Re: Jazzper
I don't think that, but I don't support unblocking Jasper at this time.--cj | talk 07:03, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

EC monument
Cat is hopefully tagged for deletion now and the Commons link is now pointing to the right spot. Great article BTW. Thanks for the heads up etc etc. -- I@n &equiv; talk 12:35, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Alan Bond (businessman)
Hi! I added G. Heileman Brewing Company, La Crosse, Wisconsin to the Alan Bond (businessman). Alan Bond took over control of the company which ended in disaster. And I did meet and shook hands with Alan Bond when he was in La Crosse. Please let myself know if there is any problems. Thank you-RFD 17:26, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Blnguyen's RfA
Of course, thanks for reverting userpage vandalism again. Thanks.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 03:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Metadata
I see you're tackling the new project also. There must be an easier way :( -- I@n &equiv; talk 01:57, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I noticed your edits to some of the cricketers on my watchlist. Looked into it, and decided to metadata-ise my article contributions. Big job. It's surprising how long it takes to manually extract this info from an article. If only we had some metadata we could automate the process of entering the metadata! Hesperian 02:03, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * By the time we've finished a clever person will get around to writing a javascript app or something which scrapes the data out of the article. You should be able to get the lastname, first name from the categories and a string search in the opening sentence for date and places of birth/death. 80-90% success I reckon. -- I@n &equiv; talk 02:10, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Joe the Moonie
Ian Elliot when last spoken with a year or so ago was intrigued by the extent to which some locations will try to make him one of theirs when there isnt any evidence to back it up, ie the myths around him are as interesting as the facts. I havent read the art yet, will get back later. Oh and in relation to your message, I could well put something up that will rock the socks later on, but for the moment its agonizing over lost people and lost things in Yogya and Dilli, and trying to get the cubic metres of paper/books/things out of storage and into a home base! Anyways, cheers SatuSuro 00:28, 31 May 2006 (UTC) The other half/her indoors (george cole/minder usages) and I were in Toodyay for a brief minute or two last week while on travels, and local tourist info place has two moonie books, ian e's and another - it's a bit like the parkhurst thing - (ie andrews and others), its clear that the industry in itself is important to address. SatuSuro 00:50, 31 May 2006 (UTC) BTW wots with slim? SatuSuro 00:52, 31 May 2006 (UTC) Gawd all the things that i dont like about wikipedia when i trawled through all the gumph. The favourite trick of some now seems to be inserting other users names in the 'insert your message here' for those under attack.sigh. SatuSuro 00:41, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

WAY 79
Thanks for fix my typing, I thinks no more editing after midnight. If you have time could you have a read of All Saints Church, Henley Brook, your opinion would be appreciated. I created this last night as well Thanks Gnangarra 01:18, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * thanks for suggestion I got full history in its heritage assessment document Gnangarra 07:40, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * G'day there cobbers, did my editable bit for Way79, have heaps in the storage unit on this one - just wait for th October 2006 scans from my primary souvenirs folks!SatuSuro 13:01, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * There's gotta be more than just a building at the showgrounds and a painting and "re-enactment" as a legacy, cant wait till i get my hands on some other things as reminders. Also think that the 2004 event needs an art as well.  Really 1929 needs an art (once i've got my stuff) and 2004 needs one.  Yes ?05:09, 4 June 2006 (UTC) was SatuSuro 10:40, 4 June 2006 (UTC) who forgot or got cut short with 4 tildes.


 * Big project of mine is to do something on 29 due to the facct that may fathers collection had significant items from it. maybe I'll have to write something, then paraphrase an art later in the year - so as to not fall into the orig research trap.   The basic distinctions are the nature of perth between 1929, 1979 and 2004 - something like smallness with strong community continuity in 29, emerging court era 'development' phase in 79, and the thoroughly dispersed community of 2004 where significant parts of the community probably didnt even realise it was on or what it was about!!  The 2004 is a very good contrast with 79, as the 'grip' on a centrality in the community is increasingly tenuous (IMHO  :)   )  with a much more fragmented community - spatially, and many other ways.  just an idea ? SatuSuro 10:40, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your clues/leaders. I am not able in current situation able to go through that stuff, but thanks anyways.  Off wiki I might send a comment!

Very impressed by your handle on the subject, maybe you should start it? SatuSuro 12:32, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the warm welcome
Hi Snotty, thanks for the warm welcome to Wikipedia. Glad you found my site useful - please feel free to use anything from there.

Paul Fisher 23:27, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Mackie
I noticed that a William Mackie was a Lieutenant Governor of The Gambia from 1838-1839. Coincidence? -- I@n &equiv; talk 05:18, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The timing could work and he would probably be a suitable candidate. Still it is a bit unlikely not to have been picked up before.  I was hoping you may have some refs. -- I@n &equiv; talk 05:48, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Governor Fitzgerald who no doubt worked closely with Mackie, was Governor of the Gambia from 1844 to 1847. As was Governor Kennedy from 1851-52. Mind you, these fellows seemed to play musical chairs between the twenty or thirty colonial governorship seats. -- I@n &equiv; talk 09:20, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Opinion
Mail delivered.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 06:58, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Jarrah
Stuffed if I can make out how the vandalism got in, or how the argument is going. It must be cold! SatuSuro 10:30, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Dragong4
Noticing your comment on Dragong4's talk page, I was shocked: I also recieved the same e-mail! (Don't know if I should put it here.) Anyway, just thought you should know. Kilo-Lima|(talk) 16:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Tjukurrpa
Hi Hesperian, thanks for the heads up re Tjukurrpa, I've voted and made a comment. Dougg 03:51, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Civil Unions Act
Yes, it is remarkable that he and his ministers are so confident in their action that they don't even feel it incumbent upon them to offer an explanation. Sort of reminds me of Howard's most absurd comment a few years back that "homosexuals do nothing for the survival of the species"...--cj | talk 10:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[o]possums
I am so far out of my field here! Thanks for taking the time to leave a message. Geez, I grew up in a place where one or the other of those things were dead on the side of the road all the time &mdash; you'd think I'd have learned about 'em!

Since, like me, probably most people mistakenly assume they're the same animal, what do you think about a one-sentence disambig line at the top of each article? I'm thinking something like, at Possum, "For the similarly named but different marsupial opossum, see ______", and vice-versa? (Off-topic, seeing the post above, I'd note that aside from intrinsic human worth, adopting and raising kids certainly does promote survival of the species ... as if war and pollution aren't gonna kill us first!) -- Tenebrae 12:32, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

A bit of a crack, eh?
Bah... While there is a list of folks I'd not take criticism from to kindly, you're not on it. You've been pretty patient throughout all of this, and the amount of extra crap that you've taken for just about as small a mistake as it is possible to make is a bit mad. Gosh, you mistook one set of sockpuppets for a totally different set? Get the torches and pitchforks, boys! - brenneman  color="000000" title="Admin actions">{L} 04:05, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

John Mateer
Sorry about that. I was being carless. I had been checking but got sloppy. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 12:57, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Members of the Western Australian Legislative Council, 1832-1870
''Check it out! If it weren't for the 37 red links, I reckon we could push it through WP:FL. Hesperian 03:20, 12 June 2006 (UTC)''
 * Sweeeet! I glanced at that sans images in your sandbox a few times recently. Nice work.  Definitely a future FLC.  I had Edward Barrett-Lennard (buried at All-Saints in Upper Swan I believe) in my to-do list. -- I@n &equiv; talk 03:31, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Very clever. -- I@n &equiv; talk 06:13, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

unblock
Hi, thanks for the unblock. I completely understand why you needed to investigate. user:E!

OK check the Banksia spinulosa then...
Getting there. Have to get more writing though!Cas Liber 09:28, 12 June 2006 (UTC


 * the mysterious smith is not well-known. He didn't do much. Will get some stuff though. Cas Liber 01:42, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

aha-we were editing at exactly the same time. I embellished the subspecies. I compiled the list of cultivars myself and it was written in a Banksia Study Group Newsletter (which I wrote) a couple of years ago. ACRA (on the ANBG website) and PBR list a few of them. I will work on that. Am currently at work. Thanks for tidying it up, I have always been a bit of a slob. I lvoe the level of collaborativity that goes on on Wikipedia Cas Liber 01:50, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * see the vandalism it attracted after being on DYK, very amusing 9and how quickly it was cleaned up) Cas Liber 01:46, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Jewell
good spot! -- I@n &equiv; talk 14:01, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Heritage buildings
Thanks. I was/am considering calling it something like that but want to keep clear of residential palaces and the like - of which there's hundreds if you browse the Councils database. What do think? -- I@n &equiv; talk 05:42, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Message
Hi Drew. You've got mail :)--cj | talk 07:04, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

dieback and menziesii drafts
Both have good stuff - feel freeto stick 'em on. I will update them later. I am going to upload some more menziesii images (colour variation/cool seed pods etc. Gimme an hour.............Cas Liber 11:40, 15 June 2006 (UTC) done-look in Banksia category on commons Cas Liber 11:52, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

OK, done a chunk of Banksia menziesii....Cas Liber 06:04, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Good article
I've nominated Convictism in Western Australia as a Good article, FYI. I hope that's OK. -- I@n &equiv; talk 02:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * IMHO 'Later years' needs to be fleshed out, as just in the last week or so there was something where convict ancestry was celebrated (amnesia again) SatuSuro 14:33, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

admin mode
If you're in dark glasses, scarf around the mouth mode, and on the prowl - could ya check the 202.156.6.54 and mount merapi red one on the mount merapi art, I'm sort of getting strung out about stupid vandalism on it. but if youre wise and weekending well, dontcha worry if you find this monday and are wrapped up with white shirt and tie stuff! I'll seek out some bloodhounds I have come across. woof woof, it might be 2 degrees down your way, hey we'll be breaking ice sat am! SatuSuro 14:06, 16 June 2006 (UTC) As for the next guy, he needs the bloodhounds all right! put him in the stocks,via help, but one wonders! SatuSuro 02:05, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Narcissistic Personality Disorder
(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

(2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

(3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

(4) requires excessive admiration

(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

(6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

(8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

Sound familiar? 194.46.164.59 22:28, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * damn you found me out Gnangarra

-very amusing, however something like over 80% of punters who qualify for 1 diagnosis in PD category qualify for 2-4 others. The most valid is the generic diagnosis of PD in DSM IV Cas Liber 01:07, 17 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Very good, guys, thanks for the laugh :-) Normally such infantile trolling simply gets reverted, but your use of humour is much better. Hesperian 11:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)


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