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Talkback
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 * Got itHhkohh (talk) 04:52, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Q on my talk (since reverted)
I did revdel after you left that comment (but before I saw it). The interface wasn't letting me for some reason, so I did the rest that it would and reloaded. After the reload it let me. -- The SandDoctor Talk 04:43, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Got it. But note that revdel may still be seen by other admins. Hhkohh (talk) 04:51, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I do realize that, it is alright. The text of the deleted page which had its summary hidden (summary was just a page move log) was just a redirect and the page content was not oversighted. -- The SandDoctor Talk 04:57, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:22, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

XXXTentacion's ?
I wanted to add this sentence to the chart section:

"Following XXXTentacion's death, ? reached new peaks in the Netherlands (No. 1), New Zealand (No. 1) source, Switzerland (No. 4) source and Austria (No. 10) source."

Is that OK? --2A02:B98:473F:B20C:35AC:E352:66D4:CC4D (talk) 10:05, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Please discuss first or request at Talk:Lemonade (Beyoncé album), thanks Hhkohh (talk) 10:14, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

SPI tools
This is a long way along a tangent from Sro23's RfA - You may be interested in the documentation of CheckUser tools on m:Help:CheckUser and mw:Extension:CheckUser, which tell you what tools are available for WP:SPI. Deryck C. 16:32, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography
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Your recent interaction with another editor
Recently, you had reported User:Nerg for disruptive editing. Now he appears to be continuing this type of editing on the page for Black Panther (film) and its current GA review page as well. Another editor User:Adam has mentioned that his timing appears to be 'suspect' after making back-to-back edits with another editor here:. Could you comment on this either here or on the Talk page there. JohnWickTwo (talk) 14:56, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I am not familiar with Film project, but seems he did some bad faith edits and you can consider report him in WP:ANI and warn him. Hhkohh (talk) 15:11, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Deletion Sorting
Hello, you have recently added some AfD's via the "delsort" process to WikiProject Deletion sorting/Albums and songs and WikiProject Deletion sorting/Bands and musicians. Several of those are fictional characters who are not musicians and have not released albums: Deacon Claybourne, Gunnar Scott, Avery Barkley. It may not seem like a big deal, but those project pages (especially Bands and Musicians) are already overloaded with nominations for articles that are about actual musicians and actual albums, creating more work for editors who would like to clean up Wikipedia's coverage of those precise topic areas. Please "delsort" sparingly. Thanks. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 19:44, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing out Hhkohh (talk) 02:08, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Talkback
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Lramirez26
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Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)
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FYI
the "Artists" deletion sort is for visual and creative artists, rather than musical artists.96.127.242.226 (talk) 07:22, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

U.S. Deletion sorting

 * Nb. I have drafted a proposal to create guidelines for the U.S. deletion sorting page. The discussion is located at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Deletion sorting § WikiProject Deletion sorting/United States of America guideline proposal. North America1000 05:41, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Move review decisions
On Wikipedia_talk:Move_review, nobody has commented for at least three weeks. Is this an appropriate time to change the table of move review decisions in Move review? --73.100.199.220 (talk) 10:19, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I am busy on other project recently, sorry Hhkohh (talk) 15:34, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

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Delsort: You’re doing it wrong
So, after speaking with you at the Mr. Roboto Project AFD, I removed it from the California delsort list as it manifestly is not an article about anything in California. I noticed also what you did at Articles for deletion/List of most popular websites and realized someone needs to have a talk with you about this. You added this AFD to 27 delsort lists. Deletion sorting is supposed to be done by the primary topic of the page being considered for deletion, and there is no way one article has 27 primary topics. Your approach to delsort needs to be a lot more reasonable than it currently is. Don’t just look for any possibility to find some tangential link to as many topics as possible, that’s not helpful and could be seen as canvassing in that your are basically spamming the discussion to as many places as possible. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:15, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I am sorry to hear that but those countries are all mentioned in the article, so what is your idea? Hhkohh (talk) 01:08, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hhkohh (talk) 01:20, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Principal country has mentioned 20 countries if you think it is improper, feel free to remove them Hhkohh (talk) 01:23, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * If I was doing wrong next time, please let me know next time Hhkohh (talk) 01:35, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I’m not at all sure from your replies if you understand what was flawed with your approach. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:41, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Again, these countries are mentioned in the list, any questions? Hhkohh (talk) 04:20, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, my question would be if you understand that being mentioned is passing in an article does not make something the primary topic, and that only the primary topic or topics of an article should be used to determine delsort listings? Because it seems like you have completely failed to grasp what I’m trying to tell you. Beeblebrox (talk) 04:53, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * So what is your proposal? And is it necessary to request other people comment in WT:DELSORT? Hhkohh (talk) 13:45, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, givent hat you don’t even seem to understand my concerns, yeah, I think it is time for some outside input from previously uninvolved users, so Ambox notice.svg There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. . The section is entitled “Issue with deletion sorting”. We can continue this conversation there. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:27, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

WP:FOOTY
Err what was this? GiantSnowman 08:27, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Just misclick. Already self-reverted. Hhkohh (talk) 08:29, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Agha Mohammad Khan Qajar
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Voluntary six month topic ban
Since you !voted in support of the proposed six-month topic ban against you, I have closed the AN/I discussion with a voluntary six-month topic ban, during which time you are banned from adding any deletion discussion to any deletion sorting list. Since there was, in my opinion, sufficient community support for the topic ban before you added your support !vote, I've logged it here as being enforceable by blocks.I want to be sure you understand that I am not an administrator, and the closure of the discussion, and the logging of the topic ban, were non-administrator actions. Nothwithstanding that, you would best consider the topic ban as being binding on you. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:32, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Warning
This edit, asking another user to do delsort fo you, is still a violation of the topic ban. Just leave delsort alone until you actually understand how it works. Continuing to violate the ban will lead to you being blocked.

That you added that the reason you couldn’t do it yourself was that “someone complained” would seem to indicate that despite the fact that you yourself voted in favor of it you still don’t have the faintest idea what the issue actually is. So again, just stay away from deletion sorting as that is the whole point of the topic ban. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:15, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Television
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Articles for deletion/Old
Please do not edit this page, let the bot do its thing. Thanks, ansh 666 09:36, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * You mean no need to press ? BTW, bot will not remove old log automatically on that page Hhkohh (talk) 09:51, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Both manual editing and the update link. The bot by default leaves 3 old days, even if they're at 0 open AfDs; it's worked just fine for many years. It also checks and updates every hour, so there's no need for manual updates either. ansh 666 09:54, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Got it. So Can I remove 4 older day log in the future? Only human can remove old log Hhkohh (talk) 10:00, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, actually, never mind. It seems like it does have to be manually removed. Not sure why that's the case, but ignore me and carry on. Sorry, ansh 666 17:30, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Adrià Gallego
Adrià Gallego made his debut in the Liga I tonight, could you restore the page? All the best. Katz191 (talk) 19:38, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * ✔️ by other admin. Next time, you just post a request on WT:FOOTY or User talk:GiantSnowman or other admin (ie. deleted admin) to ask admin to help as I am not an admin Hhkohh (talk) 02:27, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

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2018 CAF Super Cup
There should be no links to disambiguation pages, so now that you made 2018 CAF Super Cup a dab page, would you please follow up and fix all the incoming links? (Dabsolver is helpful.) Thanks. — Gorthian (talk) 10:26, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

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CONCACAF CL 2019
Hey, not trying to start an edit war or anything, but why is 2019 CONCACAF Champions League categorized in the category for 2020? If it's intentional I can create the category, I'm working on red categories right now. spiderjerky (talk) 14:30, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh dear. 2019 CONCACAF League is not 2019 CONCACAF Champions League and I will write 2020 CONCACAF Champions League Hhkohh (talk) 14:34, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * And you are trying to edit 2019 CONCACAF League not 2019 CONCACAF Champions League Hhkohh (talk) 14:37, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, shoot, I completely didn't notice they were different articles. I'm an Orlando fan, so you can't exactly expect me to know much about Champions League or anything successful like that. Thanks! spiderjerky  (talk) 14:38, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Closing deletion debates
Hi, you recently closed two TfD debates at Templates for discussion/Log/2018 July 24, one as "delete" and one as "relist". I have reverted those closes for the following reasons: Relisting a debate is not a closing action; feel free to relist but don't use XfD closer to do so, as that closes/archives the discussion (so it is the opposite of relisting). As for the "delete" close, since non-admins can't delete pages, we can't make those closes. You'll need to wait for an admin to do it. --bonadea contributions talk 19:48, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * See WP:NACD Hhkohh (talk) 19:50, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * On that page, NAC can close TfD as delete. Hhkohh (talk) 19:51, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * If result is delete, templates will list in WP:TFDH Hhkohh (talk) 19:53, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Only if it is an orphan, according to that page. But I'm not going to argue with you or revert you back. Why did you close the other discussion as "relist" again? --bonadea contributions talk 19:58, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I saw no one comment in the relisted discussion, if you think it is unsuitable, I can undo relist Hhkohh (talk) 20:01, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * And discussion is now at Templates for discussion/Log/2018 August 1 Hhkohh (talk) 20:02, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Fine, whatever. --bonadea contributions talk 20:03, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

It’s really not fine. Once again we see this user operating in areas where they seem to be a bit out of their depth, and making poorly reasoned counter arguments when challenged. The very policy they linked is quite clear: Non-administrators should limit their closes to outcomes they have the technical ability to implement; for example, non-admins should not close a discussion as delete, because only admins can delete pages. I really am not comfortable with this user determining consensus as I’m not at all convinced they have a solid grasp on the English language to begin with and take a very simplistic approach to everything. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:06, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * See WP:NACD and WP:NAC Hhkohh (talk) 20:09, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * It says:As the result of a 2015 request for comment,[4] consensus allows for non-administrators to close discussions at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion as delete. Non-administrators should follow the same steps as administrators, found at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Administrator instructions, with the exception of the final step of proposing speedy deletion using db-xfd. and Exception: a non-administrator may close a TfD as orphan. Hhkohh (talk) 20:12, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Whilst BBrox is wrong as to the extent of NACs in TfDs, I would also request you to gain more experience in weighing arguments at deletion discussions, prior to making closes. I've reviewed some of your recent closes and am quite uncomfortable with your reading of consensus, apart from a nose-count. &#x222F; WBG converse 10:07, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I know, thanks Hhkohh (talk) 10:12, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

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New style for 2018 Liga 1 foreign players
Hi, I just made a new style for 2018 Liga 1 foreign players like the one in 2018 Thai League 1 foreign players. You can check on my sandbox for foreign players and tell me what do you think. Thanks. Regards, Wira rhea (talk) 01:16, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Never mind. But why do you use: : foreign players who already registered and made at least one appearance but then replaced by another foreign players. Hhkohh (talk) 06:44, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
 * And also you can consider using if you think it is necessary Hhkohh (talk) 06:49, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Because, I think it just important to mentioned someone who already registered and has played some matches but then get replaced, and I don't know what icon should be use. Maybe you have better ideas? Also maybe I'll use to wrap a long name. Wira rhea (talk) 06:54, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Do you mean that Ivan Carlos França Coelho registered in mid-season and got replaced in mid-season? Hhkohh (talk) 07:02, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, he registered to replace Addison Alves, play for three matches (against PSM Makassar, Sriwijaya F.C., and Bali United F.C.) before replaced by Renan Silva. He even got sanctioned by Komdis PSSI for spitting to Wawan Hendrawan's face. Wira rhea (talk) 07:38, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Go ahead Hhkohh (talk) 08:01, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay then, thanks . Wira rhea (talk) 08:16, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

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Anarion family tree
How did you come to the conclusion that Templates_for_discussion/Log/2018_July_9 there was a consensus to delete? -- PBS (talk) 11:08, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * What is your opinion? If you agree to relist, please restore and relist, thanks Hhkohh (talk) 11:14, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Please answer my question. There is no need for a resisting if you are not sure why you closed it for deletion. I can be closed as no consensus. One IP address listed the template for discussion without stating that they wanted it deleted and the other IP address said delete per nominator both are confused entries by entities that are not usually considered to "responsible Wikipedians" (WP:NHC). Only two named editors expressed an opinion and they were contrary to each other. In my case as a source has been provided it comes under WP:PRESERVE -- but you must know that. What is the policy of guideline that covers "delete [because] unused"?  -- PBS (talk) 18:40, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * So when I am reviewing this discussion yesterday, I think I did a wrong close at that time and prefer to restoring and relisting this discussion. Since I am not an admin, I cannot restore and reopen this discussion. So I am waiting admin to help me to do this Hhkohh (talk) 04:08, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. Many people are unwilling to change their minds so graciously. -- PBS (talk) 13:36, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

AFC Champions League clubs performance comparison
Please be much more careful with things like this. Cut-and-paste moves from userspace are not at all inappropriate, except in the rare case when someone else edited the userpage: they don't leave behind an inconvenient redirect, and the userspace page has not had any authors whose names are omitted from the history of the mainspace page. Nyttend (talk) 11:38, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

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Football at the 2018 Asian Games – Men's tournament
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Ranking AG2018
Hi, why China got higher ranking than Indonesia at here? 2001:EE0:5395:40F0:CC7C:32A9:4FC4:FF9C (talk) 15:31, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, No counting the match IDNvTPE PLEvTPE LAOvTPE HKGvTPE to ensure equality while ranking Hhkohh (talk) 15:52, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

copy paste move
He Hhkohh, I reverted a copy-paste move to the old redirect that had been there for ages; as did also another wikipedia; as it seemed not timely and appropriate to split of 95% of page content... What was the reason for your revert? L.tak (talk) 18:21, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Just misclick. Already self-revert Hhkohh (talk) 18:22, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

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Please comment on Talk:Perche
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PGM
For what it's worth, withdrawn also triggers archiving at PERM. Primefac (talk) 16:01, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it is not a big matter Hhkohh (talk) 04:28, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

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September 2018
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, articles should not be moved without good reason. They need to have a name that is both accurate and intuitive. Wikipedia has some guidelines in place to help with this. Generally, a page should only be moved to a new title if the current name doesn't follow these guidelines. Also, if a page move is being discussed, consensus needs to be reached before anybody moves the page. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Reasons of "revert; change my mind" is not an acceptable reason. --  Alex TW 04:24, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for notifying. I will keep in mind Hhkohh (talk) 08:40, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * If you want to move page back, you can open a move discussion for this move because this move is controversial, happy editing Hhkohh (talk) 08:54, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Technical restore
Hi, you probably already know this but among the 3 technical requests it is this one, the third that is the technical restore. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:31, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * See listed in that section Hhkohh (talk) 12:21, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Can I suggest no further personal interaction with Alexthewhovian for a period. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:56, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * okay, until those RM closed Hhkohh (talk) 12:21, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * repinging Hhkohh (talk) 12:23, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Vandalism and aggression
I don't appreciate your overly aggressive tone towards me- I did not vandalize any page. That was an addition that had to do with the image and the article. You should think about what you type before you type it. --Hmdwgf (talk) 01:20, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Replied on your talk page Hhkohh (talk) 12:25, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

2020 AFC Cup and 2020 OFC Champions League
Can you move your drafts of 2020 AFC Cup and 2020 OFC Champions League to the main article space? Chanheigeorge (talk) 11:55, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Will do these days Hhkohh (talk) 12:27, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * 2020 AFC Cup ✅
 * 2020 OFC Champions League until next Friday
 * Also I am working on User:Hhkohh/ACL/1, User:Hhkohh/ACL/3 and do on (see some drafts box) Hhkohh (talk) 13:47, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

PS TIRA
Do you even speak Indonesian? In the article it is clearly stated that PT Cilangkap TNI Jaya is the owner/operator of PS TIRA. Why it is not constructive? 114.124.210.239 (talk) 11:07, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Even if you don't speak Indonesian you could use Google Translate or other machine translations to verify my edit. Why don't you assume good faith? 114.124.210.239 (talk) 11:08, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Do you know in Indonesia the owner of the football club must be a corporation (PT Blahblahblah)? I added the owner parameter to most recent legal corporation that operates/owns the football club. All of my edits could be checked to the article in the reference. 114.124.210.239 (talk) 11:14, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Tirto may be a new online media, but it is notable. 114.124.210.239 (talk) 11:18, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)
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Clean sheets
Hi, I just wanna ask about 2018 Liga 1 clean sheets. User Flix11 put on it because there's no statistics for clean sheets in soccerway references which is true because I did the count myself based on matches and looking in soccerway. Should I remove the clean sheets section? Wira rhea (talk) 10:58, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I am so curious that why you do not use official website source in statistics section? Does official website not provide? I check almost top league in Asia just now. Some were written but unsourced, some were not written, others were written and provide their official website Hhkohh (talk) 11:39, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I want to use official website even from last year. At first, the site provide goalscorers and assist, but for the assist it shown only player that has mentioned in top scorer section. For example, it mentioned Sylvano Comvalius 37 goals and 9 assist. Where actually Boaz Solossa was the top assist with 14. But it didn't show it because he not in top 10 goalscorers. And this season, top assist didn't mentioned at all on the site. So I went through another league season page and found soccerway provide complete statistics of a league. So I put it in Liga 1 seasons. Wira rhea (talk) 13:01, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I just went to, can you translate to English, ? Hhkohh (talk) 13:08, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Of course. From left to right, top to bottom, there are club statistics with most goals, most shots, most passes, most tackles, and most saves. Same statistics are applied to player statistics below it. Except for most goals, all statistics for clubs is not right. Wira rhea (talk) 13:26, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * So I suggest that we will not write clean sheet from next season. But this year is not a big matter. We can either keep it or remove as unsourced/unclear sourced. Hhkohh (talk) 13:34, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay then. Better remove it. Thanks. Wira rhea (talk) 13:37, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – October 2018
News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2018). Administrator changes
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 * Partial blocks should be available for testing in October on the Test Wikipedia and the Beta-Cluster. This new feature allows admins to block users from editing specific pages and in the near-future, namespaces and uploading files. You can expect more updates and an invitation to help with testing once it is available.
 * The Foundations' Anti-Harassment Tools team is currently looking for input on how to measure the effectiveness of blocks. This is in particular related to how they will measure the success of the aforementioned partial blocks.
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Arbitration
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 * The community consultation for 2018 CheckUser and Oversight appointments has concluded. Appointments will be made by October 11.
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Looks like an edit war
at 2019 AFC Champions League. Be careful. Toddst1 (talk) 14:48, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for mentions Hhkohh (talk) 14:49, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

2402:B801:2878:5700:0:0:0:0/64
IP range blocked for 48 hours and reverted. GiantSnowman 07:52, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:2018 Asian Games – Men's tournament 3rd place listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Template:2018 Asian Games – Men&. Since you had some involvement with the Template:2018 Asian Games – Men's tournament 3rd place redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Pkbwcgs (talk) 17:55, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

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AFC league table templates
I am trying to synchronize the colours of the AFC league tables (e.g., ACL in green, AFC Cup in blue, Arab Cup in yellow), so it is much preferred I work with those league tables in templates. See this page. Thanks. Chanheigeorge (talk) 17:30, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

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AFC and OFC group templates
I suggest deleting these templates (and all similar ones for 2018 AFC Champions League and 2018 AFC Cup): If any page are linking to them, just change to etc. Chanheigeorge (talk) 18:25, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Template:2018 OFC Champions League Qualifying stage
 * Template:2018 OFC Champions League Group A
 * Template:2018 OFC Champions League Group B
 * Template:2018 OFC Champions League Group C
 * Template:2018 OFC Champions League Group D
 * , since we have merged these old templates to new template, so we need to keep page history. It is better to redirect to new templates or do a histmerge then delete 00:41, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * repinging Hhkohh (talk) 00:46, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I see. Since none of them (as far as I know) are transcluded directly, then a redirect (probably easier way) is also okay. Chanheigeorge (talk) 12:04, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

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A kitten for you!
kittens are so cute

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CJonesTrot
✅ GiantSnowman 07:33, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

2402:B801:2878:5700:0:0:0:0/64
No edits for 24 hours... GiantSnowman 07:35, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Still nothing since then, though... GiantSnowman 19:24, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests
Not sure what on earth you're playing at here? GiantSnowman 15:40, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Then explain it rather than 'undoing' my edit. GiantSnowman 15:45, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:August 2019 events in Asia


A tag has been placed on Category:August 2019 events in Asia requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

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Reply to your last comment
My apology was posted several minutes before you posted the incident report. And I will apologize to both of the users even though I don’t feel GiantSnowman really deserves an apology. SportsFan007 (talk) 13:08, 31 October 2018 (UTC)SportsFan007

Administrators' newsletter – November 2018
News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2018).

Administrator changes
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 * A request for comment determined that non-administrators will not be able to request interface admin access.
 * A request for comment is in progress to determine whether the Mediation Committee should be closed and marked as historical.
 * A village pump discussion has been ongoing about whether the proposed deletion policy (PROD) should be clarified or amended.
 * A request for comment is in progress to determine whether pending changes protection should be applied automatically to today's featured article (TFA) in order to mitigate a recent trend of severe image vandalism.

Technical news
 * Partial blocks is now available for testing on the Test Wikipedia. The new functionality allows you to block users from editing specific pages. Bugs may exist and can be reported on the local talk page or on Meta. A discussion regarding deployment to English Wikipedia will be started by community liaisons sometime in the near future.
 * A user script is now available to quickly review unblock requests.
 * The 2019 Community Wishlist Survey is now accepting new proposals until November 11, 2018. The results of this survey will determine what software the Wikimedia Foundation's Community Tech team will work on next year. Voting on the proposals will take place from November 16 to November 30, 2018. Specifically, there is a proposal category for admins and stewards that may be of interest.

Arbitration
 * Eligible editors will be invited to nominate themselves as candidates in the 2018 Arbitration Committee Elections starting on November 4 until November 13. Voting will begin on November 19 and last until December 2.
 * The Arbitration Committee's email address has changed to arbcom-en@wikimedia.org. Other email lists, such as functionaries-en and clerks-l, remain unchanged.

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Unsigned
Questions at ACE don't need to be signed if they're under a sub-heading with the asking editor's username linked. Just letting you know so you can save your time by not adding unsigned going forward. Nick (talk) 22:46, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
 * , thank you. Some questions may be asked at a different time, but unsigned does not seem a matter

Template:New user article
I would like Template:New user article to use another category rather than Category:Unreviewed new articles. I intend to get Category:Unreviewed new articles deleted and I don't think we need monthly categories for Template:New user article. Pkbwcgs (talk) 16:43, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * , good idea. Hhkohh (talk) 16:47, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Right, I am going to make relevant changes to make sure Template:New user article doesn't use Category:Unreviewed new articles but how do I do that? Pkbwcgs (talk) 16:49, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * , I did this edit, so new user article template should not use this category now Hhkohh (talk) 17:00, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The pages using Template:New user article are still using Category:Unreviewed new articles. Pkbwcgs (talk) 17:04, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the server is busy? But I checked these articles and these articles are not showing these category in hidden category section. Better to wait some time Hhkohh (talk) 17:07, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Repinging Hhkohh (talk) 17:09, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It seems that the articles using Template:New user article are still showing up at Category:Unreviewed new articles. Pkbwcgs (talk) 17:11, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Still server busy? Hhkohh (talk) 17:12, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe try to remove template then save then readd then save again. It should be okay Hhkohh (talk) 17:15, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Anshu Jamsenpa is the only article in Category:Unreviewed new articles. Pkbwcgs (talk) 17:16, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * orphaned, thanks Hhkohh (talk) 17:17, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Good. The last thing I have done before Template:New unreviewed article is deleted after nine years of seeing it everywhere on Wikipedia is went to User talk:MusikAnimal and asked for Template:New unreviewed article to be removed from the Twinkle tag function. After that, all that is left to do is to delete Template:New unreviewed article but I won't tag it for speedy deletion until it is removed from Twinkle's tag function. The documentation page is already nominated for speedy deletion. Thanks. Pkbwcgs (talk) 17:21, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Template:New unreviewed article has now been removed from Twinkle and now it is ready for speedy deletion and I have tagged it. Thanks for all the help in orphaning this template. Pkbwcgs (talk) 18:51, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Just a question
Hi, sorry for this silly question. Just wondering, how can I upload a non-free image like File:Logo Astro Liga Super Malaysia 2012.jpg to use in an article Liga 1 (Indonesia)? I'd like to add logo evolution in there. Wira rhea (talk) 12:42, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * , I am sorry. I did not upload any file (included image). But you can see Help:Files for uploading Hhkohh (talk) 12:51, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I see. Thanks. Wira rhea (talk) 12:52, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

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Please check
Hi, can you please check my page here: User:Wira rhea/Template:Liga 1 table for the qualification to AFC Competition. Is that correct? Wira rhea (talk) 03:20, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hhkohh (talk) 05:14, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Currently, the first team (league champions) will go to ACL PR1 (if loses qualifying play-offs, team will transfer to ACC group stage. The second team (cup winners) will go to ACC PO. The third team (league runners-up) is a standby team. However, sometimes some team do not want to play AFC Cup like 2019 AFC Cup or a team both win Cup and League, so we should adjust qualification after Cup competition and 2020 AFC Cup group stage draw separately Hhkohh (talk) 06:02, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay then. Thanks. Wira rhea (talk) 08:19, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Ronalditos58815738
Thanks; all tagged and reverted, and the newest ones blocked. Let me know when he pops back. GiantSnowman 08:57, 26 November 2018 (UTC)