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Friendly notice
I realise you're in retirement, but as you were one of the co-noms for me for adminship, I thought it only polite that I should drop you a note about this. - jc37 09:14, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
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You've been mentioned
...and missed : ) - jc37 13:42, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
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I have added you to missing Wikipedians
Just to let you know (I am supposed to - this is what it says). Ottawahitech (talk) 14:53, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Editor Retention
Hi. I'm actually not sure if you watch this page anymore, but I thought it might be of interest to you that your unfortunate departure has been noted. I also think that there might be a possibility that it involved unfortunate conduct directed at you. Anyway, the above linked to page is a new attempt to try to figure out ways to keep some of our valued, long-term contributors around. Certainly you qualify as such. If you do see this message, and you have any comments which you think might be useful information for helping retain valued editors like you, please feel free to drop me an e-mail. You have my word that I will do everything I can to ensure that any comments you might make would not be clearly tied to you, unless you wish otherwise. Thanks again for all your efforts here. John Carter (talk) 20:45, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

(Semi) Welcome back!
How's everything going with you? :) BOZ (talk) 15:43, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, pretty good, have a broken foot at the mo so a bit of spare time to kill, hence some editing. How's yerself? Hiding T 15:56, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Pretty good for having a broken foot then, I take it? Good to have you back, even if only temporarily.  :)   As for me, I'm doing fine, nothing serious to complain about. BOZ (talk) 16:09, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Not a lot I can do about the foot, it's a Jones fracture, just have to hope it heals!! Glad you are fine. I'm assuming things haven't changed too much in my long absence? Hiding T 16:13, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The good and the bad around here are still about the same, LOL. Hope you feel better soon, yes! BOZ (talk) 16:25, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Although I regret the proximate cause for your return, having you back for any length of time for any reason has to be a gain for the project. Given the nature of the fracture, though, I understand your concerns. Even if all I can do at a distance is pray it completely heals, I will do that. John Carter (talk) 17:16, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Cheers John Carter! Hiding T 17:17, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry to hear about your broken foot, but very happy to see you back! : ) - jc37 20:42, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Hiding T 20:43, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

User:Hiding on ro.wp
Please, place a request at ro:Wikipedia:Schimbarea numelui de utilizator (the default usurpation request message links to it), and then check back in a week.- Andrei (talk) 06:49, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

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 * Thank you! Hiding T 07:18, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

User:Hiding on ro.wp
Hello! Your request at ro:Wikipedia:Schimbarea_numelui_de_utilizator was resolved. Have a nice day, Razvan Socol (talk) 14:16, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you, you too! Hiding T 14:53, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

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Starborough Castle
Hi Hiding

Please don't remove the refimprove tag from the article until the historical facts are referenced to a reliable historical source.

The claim about the castle being demolished on the orders of Parliament has been sourced first to a book about cycles, and now it is sourced to pair of brief mentions on the property pages of newspapers. Those pages usually really on what the estate agents tell them, so they are not a reliable source.

-- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:04, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Starborough Castle
Hi there,

You're quite right, I should have got in touch before nominating - I acted a little hasty (just like I did when I closed it). I've reverted the closure, so it should be back on the page as an active DYK nomination now. Miyagawa  (talk)  17:53, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Starborough Castle
Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

The "context solution"

 * Quiz

From Apple Corps' 2009 liner notes for Let It Be: "When this plan was eventually discarded, The Beatles reunited at their own studio in the basement of their Apple HQ." From Apple Corps' 2009 liner notes for Abbey Road: "In the early part of 1969, the Beatles had recorded in their own studio in the basement of the Apple office building". Which did Apple get right and which did they make a mistake on and why? ~ GabeMc  (talk 02:34, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

When you pop up on someone's talk page, do you say hello, and if not, why? Happy editing and good luck with the consensus building. Hiding T 07:30, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Quiz

Sorry, I didn't mean to seem rude. I just wondered if any proponents of this "solution" could actually put it into practice and demonstrate that it is in fact a workable option. So far none have. Cheers! ~ GabeMc  (talk 22:29, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Not sure why we need quote marks around the word solution, and would hope you don't mind if I respectfully disagree that nobody has demonstrated it is a workable option. I've seen it demonstrated reasonably well, so while I respect your opinion and right to hold it, I differ. And if I might offer some advice, slow down, take your time and keep all your discussion relevant to this issue in one place. Let the consensus build slowly, like a seedling it needs water and warmth and care. Don't try and force it; it will come, and it will be all the better for having grown from a collegiate atmosphere. Happy editing, Hiding T 09:33, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

No personal attacks, please.
I resent the vicious personal attack you made against me here. I know you're just a troll insulting others as trolls, but it's unacceptable nonetheless. Don't do it again. --78.35.248.247 (talk) 14:49, 23 September 2012 (UTC)


 * So it seems that and  are the same guy. I wonder how many other leiderhosen he's got. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:52, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

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If I've said or done anything...
In all honesty and sincerity &mdash; and in the hope and assumption you know how much I respect you and how grateful I am for what amounted to mentoring me in my first Wikipedia days, now over seven years ago &mdash; if I've said or done anything to make you upset with me, it was inadvertent. I know we were on different sides at Mark Kermode, but I thought we had a reasonable difference of opinion, and I tried very much to be respectful. I think except for the one anon IP there whom I found difficult, I spoke politely with you and the other registered user, and I think together we made the Phoenix Cinema reference better and clearer.

I'm concerned and dismayed we rapidly find ourselves disagreeing again at Judge Dredd and The Avenger (character) in such rapid succession, and it makes me uncomfortable since you have been a pillar of WikiProject: Comics and a colleague important to me personally. If it were just one or two articles in such a short amount of time, that would seem like coincidence. And three may very well be as well. I can only ask that if my behavior or my tone has been untoward, that you let me know how, so that I can improve.

I've come a long way, and have mentored a number of editors who came after me, as we all should. But self-improvement is a never-ending journey, and one I'm committed to. That doesn't mean we can't disagree, obviously. I'm just worried I'm doing something wrong that we're disagreeing so much in such short time. With regards and respect, --Tenebrae (talk) 18:40, 23 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't think there's anything untoward beyond coincidence happening here. There may be some WP:ENGVAR issues between us at times based on where we live, but other than that I don't think your tone towards me has been anything other than how I've usually found it, engaging and forthright. I think User:McGeddon spoke to you about your tone with the IP at Talk:Mark Kermode so I didn't think you'd need me piling in as well, and that seems to have resolved itself. I guess all I can offer is that perhaps you need to approach Wikipedia as an ocean approaches a mountain; knowing you'll lick it into shape eventually. by which I mean, if you hit a snag, step back and think about and around it. Try and work out what the best approach is, what solution best fits. The Manual of Style isn't a strait-jacket, and it is quite clear the consensus on Wikipedia is that edit warring over style is not tolerated. Consistency for consistency's sake isn't the goal; each article is perhaps like a farmer's field; some fields are made of clay, some are stony and some are sandy; few are soft loam ideal for anything. So the farmer plants according to conditions, so we edit according to conditions. At Talk:Judge Dredd I think people are talking around the issue; there's no attempt to discuss the meat of the issue and work out what best works, instead policies and guidance are being used as jousts in a knights tourney. I don't think that's the best approach.  At The Avenger the journey has only just begun; I don't know whether we'll be able to agree at both of them, but I would hope we can agree to disagree and either build a new consensus or respect the existing one and walk away and leave it for better minds in the future. Because you can be sure, it is my hope and I hope yours too, that whatever we do on Wikipedia today can and should be undone in the future if Wikipedia is to mean anything to our children and grandchildren. In the hope that for some things, there's no finish line, ever, happy editing, Hiding T 09:28, 24 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Hiding. I appreciate your putting my mind at ease. You really are sort of an anchor for me on Wikipedia. I always feel that if I ever have a problem or need advice, I can turn to you for honesty and understanding. That means a lot, and I don't ever want that to change. With great regards, --Tenebrae (talk) 19:29, 24 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I don;t know what to say. I've been discussing and not going against your WP:ENGVAR argument here at Judge Dredd. But Little Annie Fanny is an American comics feature. Making a clearly contentious edit to a stable feature without discussion on the talk page first is very disappointing to see. You are insisting on a change there that affects all of WikiProject Comics, and you think that doesn't deserve discussion first? Honestly? --Tenebrae (talk) 16:14, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I've cited an American publication so I'm not sure how you can describe it as not being American English. I am also staggered that you describe it as a contentious edit when it is simply undoing an edit you made just over two weeks ago. I'm also unsure how this change affects the all of WikiProject Comics. If you could tone the rhetoric and stop conflating the issue to include subjects that have no bearing we might actually get somewhere. Hiding T 16:17, 25 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Without getting into all that, I've found a source as close to Harvey Kurtzman as we can get, and I think he suggests a compromise solution. I've posted details and a link at Talk:Little Annie Fanny. --Tenebrae (talk) 16:52, 25 September 2012 (UTC)


 * If it helps at all, I think you (Tenebrae) know (have seen) how clearly I respect Hiding. Yet, I can say with a fair amount of certainty that he and I have disagreed about certain things on Wikipedia. (And have had some fun arguements : )
 * In early interactions, I think we both were trying to figure out whether things were adversarial. But eventually we figured out that neither of us was angry with the other, not had any feeling of animosity, but rather merely collegiate Wikipedians who can (at times) exuberantly and vociferously disagree : )
 * And one thing I think is awesome about Hiding (and I wish more Wikipedians followed his example) is he is open minded, and will happily join in on constructive discussion. It's so nice when the person you are discussing with actually listens to what you are saying, rather than what they want to think you are saying (or perhaps not listening at all).
 * The ENGVAR issue can come up at times - especially in a typewritten environment - but Hiding is well aware of the possibility, and now you are too : )
 * Anyway, I hope this helps : )
 * And incidentally, I loved the ocean and mountain analogy : ) - jc37 17:12, 25 September 2012 (UTC)


 * jc, it is always good to hear from another fellow veteran. It's been too long!


 * I agree with everything you say, and I've said many times, including recently, I still have things to learn from Hiding, who is admirably even-keeled. Despite one or two comments that might have been less than gracious, I think his calmness overall kept things from getting more draining than they were.


 * And as it turns out, I think we've reached a mutual consensus at Little Annie Fanny, and I've extended a hand shake to him at the talk page.


 * Hiding, please forgive any comments I made that may have seemed untoward. Any comments of yours that I might have had an issue with are forgotten. Even a protege can argue with his mentor sometimes! With regards --Tenebrae (talk) 21:35, 25 September 2012 (UTC)


 * (open invitation) - I miss so much these days (even with over 5k on my constantly pruned watchlist). If there is any discussion either of you think I might be interested in (either from past experience, or from perusing my userboxes), please feel free to drop me a friendly notice : ) - jc37 22:30, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

RfC WL notices
Why havn't you !voted there? ~ GabeMc  (talk 20:13, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Watchlist-details#Beatles_RfC
 * I'm withdrawing from the whole Beatles dispute. My experience with it hasn't been that pleasant to be honest. I've found it distasteful and some participants do not seem to operate in a manner in line with our policy on Consensus. One of the reasons I took an extended wikibreak was because of the actions of other people, and I do not have the time or the energy to attempt to win over those with closed mindsets. But good luck with it, and best regards, Hiding T 07:38, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, its a hornet's nest that's for sure. At least we tried to get WLNs, and we tried to open it up to a broader group of editors. It will all be over soon, lets hope! ~ GabeMc  (talk 21:45, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

ANI
Please note the responsibility of notifying users who are being discussed at ANI: "You must notify any editor who is the subject of a discussion." I was not the subject of the discussion until this edit.

My preference is to keep all discussions in one place, so you can reply here or move the entire discussion to my talk page. But you can also consider myself notified. I am just pointing this out for future reference. Thanks. Apteva (talk) 20:41, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * As you started the discussion yourself on WP:ANI I was unaware you would need notifying. Hiding T 12:40, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Webcite
It occurs to me to mention webcite, which I assume we all know and use, but on the off chance we don't I'll put it on the radar. I don;t know if it would be possible to build a bot which could read a reference, extract the url and submit and then extract the archival page and add it to the reference, but it is rather more simple for humans. It would be a worthy goal if everyone in this conversation ran through their watchlist and performed this useful task, wouldn't it? Hiding T 6:26 am, 7 September 2012, Friday (1 month, 14 days ago) (UTC−6)


 * Perhaps you remember this discussion. I have been pursuing some possibilities, when I came across this: Bounty board and this: WikiProject External links/Webcitebot2.  --  :- ) Don  07:16, 21 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I do recall the discussion. It looks to my eye that both those links are somewhat old, but here's hoping they can be prodded back into life. Hiding T 12:42, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Louis Riel
Thanks a lot for that archive! I'm going to make use of it. I don't have any of those TCJ's (let my subscription run it in the mid-230s)—if you can find something interesting in there, I'd appreciate it. In particular, could you get the pages for Kreiner's review in #259?  C üRly T üRkey  Talk Contribs 22:02, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * You are incredibly awesome. I'll set up an email account for Wikipedia and put it into my settings soon.
 * I have most issues of TCJ, although only sporadically in the late 100s/early 200s. If there's ever anything you need from there, let me know.  C üRly T üRkey  Talk Contribs 06:54, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Cleanup-comics
Template:Cleanup-comics has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 15:10, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

IPs 122.248.156.9 and 113.21.40.134
Are these User:Asgardian? 24.1.246.28 24.1.246.28 (talk) 01:55, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I will have to investigate. Incidentally, have you thought about getting an account? Hiding T 16:32, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I honestly don't know. While I am an admin, I don't have CheckUser powers. Another editor notified me by email of this, but I don't know what to say. My feeling is that it's mostly a moot point, as long as the IP is not violating policy or up to Asgardian's old tricks. The other editor, however, stressed that evading his ban is a violation of policy, but my question is what evidence is there that establishes that those IPs are Asgardian, since that is what they ask for at Sockpuppet Investigations. The other editor stated that he tried to request a Sockpuppet Investigation two years ago, but that it was closed without any investigation 10 days later because the IP stopped editing (which I find to be a inane rationale). I've told the other editor to try starting a new one. I also suggested contacting the ArbCom member who indefinitely banned Asgardian, to see if we could get some perspective from a higher-up acquainted with his case. Nightscream (talk) 19:27, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Arbcom elections
I realise that you only just recently came back from a wikibreak.

But I think you know the high regard I have for you.

So I was wondering if you might be interested in running for arbcom this year? - jc37 21:38, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Neutral notice
There is a discussion involving WikiProject Comics at Reliable sources/Noticeboard that may be of interest to you. With regards and respect as always to my Wiki-mentor, Tenebrae (talk) 02:20, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Comicswikia
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Wishing I had your insight
Are you around? - jc37 07:01, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Merry Christmas


Tenebrae (talk) is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Don't eat yellow snow!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding to their talk page with a friendly message. To my mentor, who has seemingly boundless patience with me! Happy Holidays and Happy New Year!!! --Tenebrae (talk) 17:06, 24 December 2012 (UTC)