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Hi. Can you offer your opinion here? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 17:04, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

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 * Sometimes, when you're in a rush, you're in a rush. My apologies and thank you. Hiding T 09:25, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

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History of Crystal Palace F.C.
See User talk:Asnac where the other editor expressed agreement with my edit. Your reverting is extremely poor as it has re-added heaps and heaps and heaps of unreferenced and POV-laden material to an article. GiantSnowman 18:08, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Please use the article talk page to discuss the article as it helps other editors. Also bear in mind consensus can change, and please allow other editors time to actually edit. Hiding T 18:09, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The consensus was established only just over a week ago, and the article has been in its sorry state for 3 years. How much more time do you want?! GiantSnowman 18:14, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:DEADLINE, specifically the parts I added to it many years ago! :) Hiding T 18:19, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:IAR. Again, I'll ask - how does having an article that is 99.99% unreferenced material and POV improve Wikipedia in any way, shape or form? GiantSnowman 18:20, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to edit the article as we speak. It'll go  a lot quicker if you leave me alone to get on with it. If you want to lecture the author of Purpose, feel free, it's your call. :) Hiding T 18:24, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * A marvelous non-answer, you should be a politician. If you're editing, you might also want to take into consideration the WP:CONSENSUS I have already linked to re:layout. GiantSnowman 18:26, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, since you're straying into personal attacks and passive aggresiveness I hope you don't mind if I bow out of this conversation and actually try and improve Wikipedia. Happy editing, Hiding T 18:29, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, I can't see where you have linked to a consensus regarding layout, it'd be handy if you could give me that or better edit the page to achieve your desired layout when I've finished my bit. Collaboration, it's the wiki way. Hiding T 18:33, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Where was my personal attack? Where have I been passive aggressive? You're the one who suggested I should take a BREAK like I was some kind of naughty child. Link is here. GiantSnowman 18:35, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

"A marvelous non-answer". It doesn't really help move the conversation forward. And the line regarding becoming a politician, what are you hoping to gain? Do you want to improve the article? If so, how do those statements help? With all due respect, I have limited time and I'd like to spend those precious minutes editing the article. I'll have more time tomorrow but right now I'd like to edit the article. I think we want the same thing, so I don't see why we need to be engaging in this way. Your first statement to me began "Jesus Christ". Imagine how that makes me feel. Put yourself in my shoes. Ask yourself if making those the first words of a statement are the actions of a frustrated editor or one who is looking to openly collaborate. I've been an editor on wikipedia for years, cut me some slack and I'll cut you some. Deal? Hiding T 18:42, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I've been here for nearly 8 years myself, and I'm a fellow Admin, so please don't treat me like some ignorant noob. Of course I'm here to collaborate and improve, some of your comments have been as equally unhelpful to me as mine were to you. Collaboration of the worst kind ;) GiantSnowman 18:46, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I apologise for any offence I have given or caused to you, and do so in the spirit of being the better man. Imagine if you had apologised to me right at the beginning, or better yet not acted in the way you did.  First impressions and all that. ;) It's like kids at the end of the day, "he started it"! At some point I hope you'll apologise too. Hiding T 18:50, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I also apologise for any offence, I assure you it was not intended. Please let me know once you've finished editing the article. Regards, GiantSnowman 18:51, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries, see below. Hiding T 18:54, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

I came to this page to thank Hiding for getting on and dealing with what will be a time-consuming page. So, thanks, much appreciated. In passing I see I've been quoted above, and in fact misquoted (at start of this section). I didn't 'express agreement' with the massive delete, just thanked Giant for clarifying the reasons for it.asnac (talk) 11:47, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It's no problem, thank you. I think both yourself, GiantSnowman and myself all want the same thing, which is a brilliant article to exist at History of Crystal Palace F.C. and I for one hope we can get there! :) Hiding T 11:58, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 78
Re Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 78, I'm looking at the bottom of the page as that's the only place that refs Palace, can't really see anything regarding layout, help me out please, what are you referring to, for example, what's a good one of these articles look like? Then I can have something to aim for. I've got to go out in a minute, so I'll take the inuse off, when you edit the article once I'm done and remove anything will you do me a favour and paste it on my talk page so I can have a bash tomorrow, it'd be much appreciated. Cheers, Hiding T 18:54, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The entire section at WT:FOOTY started as shock at the size of the TOC as every single season had a heading - not needed. For an example of an appropriate FA, see this as something to possibly aim for. GiantSnowman 18:57, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Cheers. I've hacked some stuff but really have to go.  She's all yours, have fun! :) Hiding T 19:01, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Have a look at List of Crystal Palace F.C. players and WikiProject Football - though we are just beggining an internal review of our MOS. GiantSnowman 09:49, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much. Hiding T 10:04, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Is List of Bradford City A.F.C. records and statistics considered a good way of organising things? Hiding T 10:10, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * List of Birmingham City F.C. records and statistics is a FL, try using that instead. GiantSnowman 10:22, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Lede
Looks much better, though there are a few links to disambiguation pages that need fixing. GiantSnowman 12:05, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Seasons
Yes, have a look at List of Bradford City A.F.C. seasons and Bradford City A.F.C. seasons GiantSnowman 15:52, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * There is no rush, thanks for all your work so far. I am unsure about images, they are by far my weakest area on Wikipedia - sorry! GiantSnowman 16:00, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

References @ History of CPFC
Hi there. I saw that you added some references to the History of Crystal Palace F.C. article and I'd just like to ask why there's no URL specified for them, as they look recent enough for there to be an online version. While URLs are not strictly required for printed references, if there is an online link available, it makes things easier to verify. On another note, I'd just like to say keep up the sterling work on that article! Malpass93! (what I've been up to/drop me a ___) 11:58, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I haven't had the time yet to add the urls, I will go dig for them at some point but I don't see it as a priority right now. The article needs a lot of trimming and rewriting, with most of teh material moved to individual season pages rather than housed in the one article.  It's a big job, so I'm juggling how I go about things.  I'm finding articles in library searches because it looks like google news search isn't as powerful as it used to be. Hiding T 12:46, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

A beer for you!

 * Cheers! Got another query for if I take this further and sort out the seasons pages. When do we consider one season finishing and another starting on Wikipedia? For example, are we still in the 2012-2013 season until the community shield in August 2013? Would transfers get detailed on a 2012-2013 season page, or would it make sense to start a 2013-2014 page and detail them there as happening in the close season? Thanks, Hiding T 08:35, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Seasons
The Charity Shield in August 2013 will be for the 2013–14 season. In England, the season to finish/start on 30 June/1 July respectively, as that is the day that most (if not all) player contracts run up until. The transfer window opens on 1 July and that is when most players move, so I'd use those dates if I was you! GiantSnowman 11:38, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

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Drowning Girl
Can you please Strike the resolved concerns at the Drowning Girl FAC.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:49, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Why are you suddenly posting on my talk page rather than the discussion page?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:23, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Am I getting close to getting your support on this nomination?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:37, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Whaam!/archive1
At Peer review/Whaam!/archive1 you mentioned a Gibbons interview. Which one were you talking about?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:15, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I guess I found Paul Gravett's highlights of it.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:52, 30 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Are you providing sourcing from physical print books or are there links that you might be able to help me with at Peer review/Whaam!/archive1?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:52, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I am unable to find anything in the search inside tool using either "one of the first things he started copying" or "He was just making large copies of the cartoons I had drawn and painting". What is wrong with the way the point is currently expressed in the article?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:07, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * In terms of Drowning Girl, I have expressed an opinion about the relevance of the Beaty content in the FAC discussion. What I need is for you to make a cogent statement including the bolded word Support at Featured article candidates/Drowning Girl/archive1‎, indicating that you support promotion to WP:FA.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:07, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Featured articles
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Crystal Palace F.C.
I have considered Peer review/Crystal Palace F.C./archive1. My problem is that I don't know much about what other countries call Football. As I read this article, I find myself unfamiliar with what would be normal presentation of certain types of content. Looking at the WP:LEAD, I wonder if promotion is LEAD material or infobox material in most cases. I also wonder why an article that is only 24KB has a spinout (History of Crystal Palace F.C.). Should the List of Crystal Palace F.C. seasons article be linked to this article somehow? I am not confident I could give a good review.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:04, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

History of Crystal Palace F.C.
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Palace
I'll certainly get to the PR later this week. I suspect August may be a little ambitious with the speed at which FAC works these days, but let's see what we can do. Sarastro1 (talk) 18:51, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I concur. It seems that FA takes a minimum of 4 or 5 weeks. Then you have to get it to WP:TFAR in advance of the date desired. It should already be at WP:FAC for the desired date.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:56, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

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 * Not bad, self? Hiding T 10:04, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Very glad to hear it : )
 * On my (not written down or anything) list of those I miss interacting with, you're definitely one of those at the top : )
 * And doing ok. Though still trying to recover from/acclimate to the whiplash I received with DC's new 52.... - jc37 05:22, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Comic sources
Do you know how to find some of the original artwork that David Barsalou points to for many of Lichtenstein's works. I would like to find the source artwork without Barsalou's imprint for a lot of works including Grrrrrrrrrrr!! (graphic source still needed), Oh, Jeff...I Love You, Too...But..., M-Maybe, Happy Tears (Roy Lichtenstein), Mr. Bellamy, Masterpiece (Roy Lichtenstein), Varoom! and Girl in Mirror.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:44, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Does Barsalou name the issue number of each source?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:31, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

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 * If you two would come to some agreement, we could move on with this nom.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:44, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

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Comic arts view at Whaam!
has come by the Featured article candidates/Whaam!/archive1 with strong opinions that the comic arts perspective should be removed from the article. Would you care to comment.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:14, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The debate continues and your expertise is welcome and needed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:05, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Kevin Phillips
Hello, and thanks for providing the Parish source. However, what he said was that Phillips had agreed a deal, and "I believe the paperwork has all been done so it's going through" (my highlighting). Normal practice from a BLP verifiability point of view is we don't update a transfer until it actually is complete (as opposed to rumoured, agreed, "Sky Sports understands", or will be completed as-and-when) and the club concerned confirms it as such. There was a relevant discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 58. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:27, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay replying, real life insists on interfering with my time... Your ce is fine by me. Thing is, what a club chairman says to the local reporter as an exclusive, on the assumption that things will progress as quickly as he wants them to, isn't RS for the deal being complete. There are many cases of club chairmen/presidents saying what they hope to be the case rather than what is, more's the pity. The difference with Campana is that the club has announced officially to the world at large that the deal is complete. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:48, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Expanding alternate views
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Whaam!
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Featured article candidates/Whaam!/archive1 is now three weeks old and has now had over 250KB of discourse. I don't think I have ever been involved in an FAC like this. As I stated at the beginning of this FAC, Whaam! will experience the 50th anniversary of its first exhibition on September 28 that I hope can be celebrated at WP:TFAR. Before that, however, we must make a decision on the quality of this article here at WP:FAC. Please consider making a Support or Oppose decision some time soon.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 00:15, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Whaam! FAC
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FA Thanks
Thanks for your editorial contributions to Drowning Girl, which has recently become a WP:FA.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:36, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * P.S. Although the debates are as heated as ever at the Whaam! FAC2, the current count is 5 supports, 1 neutral and 1 oppose. Feel free to drop by and help shape the article.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:38, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Newcastle United F.C. 0–1 Crystal Palace F.C. (1907)


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 * I don't think this is a notable match - no significant events, no significant coverage, no significant legacy

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Nomination of Newcastle United F.C. 0–1 Crystal Palace F.C. (1907) for deletion
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 * It is precisely because of our rapport/friendship that I thought an AFD would be the best place - a neutral venue. Apologies if I have offended you. Regards, GiantSnowman 16:08, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes I added a PROD - as I do to most articles where I thought deletion would not be an issue. Should I have discussed it with you? Perhaps, but you had been offline for a number of weeks. Would it have prevented me taking it to AFD? Probably not. GiantSnowman 16:30, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

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Tintin (character)
Hello Hiding, I come to respectfully ask if you would please review the Tintin (character) article that I have submitted for FA. You and Fram are the only obvious choices to ask, as you once played a major hand in this and other Tintin articles. Thank-you for considering it; I would be most honoured if you could stop by. The review is here: Featured article candidates/Tintin (character)/archive1. Prhartcom (talk) 06:08, 30 December 2013 (UTC)