User talk:Hidwah

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Welcome to Wikipedia, Hidwah! Thank you for your contributions. I am HiLo48 and I have been editing Wikipedia for some time, so if you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page. If you wish to contact me on this page, please use  such that I get notified of your request. You can also check out Questions or type at the bottom of this page. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: Also, when you post on talk pages you should sign your name using four tildes ( ~ ); that will automatically produce your username and the date. I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! HiLo48 (talk) 08:56, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
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Consider this a final warning.
I have repeatedly provided links to relevant Wikipedia policies. I have provided links to options for dispute resolution. Since you seem however to be unwilling to comply with normal Wikipedia processes, and I have done all that seems reasonable under the circumstances, I am not going to dispute with you further: if you add the contested material the the Scott Morrison article again, I will raise the matter on the Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents noticeboard, and ask that you be blocked from editing the article (but not the talk page) until such time as the matter can be resolved. Article content is arrived at through consensus, in compliance with relevant policies. It is not imposed unilaterally through edit-warring. AndyTheGrump (talk) 04:32, 16 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Well you seem completely unwilling to reach a consensus. You seem to think that the Australian economy shouldn't be mentioned in the lead of the article. i would be more than happy to have this matter placed on the noticeboard. I am confident that my changes are factual and would be supported by a third party. Hidwah (talk) 04:42, 16 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Just so there is no misunderstanding, please note that the noticeboard in question is for contributor conduct issues. Content disputes (properly conducted according to Wikipedia policies and guidelines) are decided elsewhere. AndyTheGrump (talk) 05:04, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * @Hidwah: I am an uninvolved administrator who noticed the discussion at WP:DRN. You must slow down or you will be blocked. There is far too much activity at Scott Morrison and Anthony Albanese. Please engage with the discussion on article talk and patiently wait for opinions by others to form a consensus. I have not fully investigated all the recent edits but the advice on talk seems to be very accurate. These articles are about politicians and need to use sources that commented on the people. Regardless of who is right and who is wrong, there is just too much repetitive editing and commenting (17 comments on talk and 6 edits at Scott Morrison in under 24 hours, including three attempts to add one edit). Johnuniq (talk) 07:20, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking the time to reply. I have stopped making attempts to add my proposed edit, and am trying to discuss it on the talk page. Is it wrong to post too much on the talk page? I am just trying to respond to everyone that replies to me. Hidwah (talk) 07:25, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Warning
If you persist in bludgeoning Talk:Scott Morrison and steamrolling responses, you will be blocked from contributing to the article and the talkpage. This is an egregious example, where you say "What i added was a 100% factual statement", illogically ignoring that you were just told that even if it is a fact, it can't be added unless sources discuss it in relation to Morrison. Then you go on to assume bad faith of your opponent: "I think the only reason why you’re against this edit is because you don’t like Morrison." That kind of talkpage editing exhausts other editors' time and patience, and will not be tolerated. Re "I am just trying to respond to everyone that replies to me" above, do please read WP:BLUDGEON about that. There is no need to repeat your arguments every time somebody replies. PS, considering your recent addition to Anthony Albanese, I'm also within a hair's breadth of blocking you sitewide for tendentious editing. Bishonen &#124; tålk 08:08, 16 April 2022 (UTC).


 * Ok, i will stop posting on the talk page. I admit that I went too far in assuming bad faith in my opponent. I'm a bit confused as to how i was the one bludgeoning though when they were also responding to everything i posted. I also am not entirely sure what the normal way to reach consensus on Wikipedia is, which is why i was replying to everyone. It didn't seem like they were actually trying to reach a consensus. I am willing to learn from this and correct my mistakes. Hidwah (talk) 08:41, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Some advice
Greetings, I am a volunteer at the WP:DRN. I reviewed the talk page of Scott Morrison and I think what is going on is a simple failure to understand on your part. First- what you are saying does seem to be factual- and I don't see anyone disputing that. But the way you arrived at that information is the problem. You took the information from a reputable source, which is good. However, that source does not say that Morrison had anything to do with those statistics. Now, it seems obvious to infer that as a state leader, he had quite a bit to do with them. But that is an assumption- also known as original research. In order for information to be included on a wikipedia article- it must be directly stated in an article. so you would have to find a source that says, "Australia did this and it was because of Morrison." So that is the first problem you are facing.

The second problem is Due weight- basically, the opening is a summary of the rest of the article, and you can't add anything to that summary unless it is covered in the rest of the article in more depth. So- if you want to add a section on Morrison's leadership during COVID-19, that would be a possibility, but it would need to be done before you could add a sentence to the lead. And remember, everything you put in that sentence must come directly from a reliable source- no assumptions. I would strongly recommend you get some help in the writing of that section from a more experience editor. You can ask at the tea house for a mentor or coach (No- I'm not a good one, I don't know enough about the subject).

Finally- as to why you are being considered the one bludgeoning. You need to build consensus or agreement with other editors. That is rarely accomplished by arguments and insults, nor is it done by assuming that they hate the subject because they don't agree with you. You have been a little to aggressive and dismissive of your fellow editors. Instead of taking a you vs them stance- assume that you all want the same thing- a complete and non-bias article on Mr. Morrison. Assume they want to work with you and they are giving you advice of how to best do that- because they are. All they have been pointing out is ways you have not be adhering to WP policy- not that they disagree with what you want to add, but rather how you are adding it.

The last piece of advice I will give you is this- remember we are a general information site. We do not seek to either support or disparage leaders, but rather to provide an overview of the good and the bad. We are to have no opinion- but provide only factual information. We do not exist to have every detail covered in our articles, but instead to provide the uninformed reader with a general overview. I wish you luck in your editing endeavors. Nightenbelle (talk) 21:01, 18 April 2022 (UTC)