User talk:HighConcept

October 2007
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Fuel Cell and Direct Methanol Fuel Cell Edits
Thank you for reverting my blunder in adding a NEW and legitimate reference to recent fuel cell news to the Fuel Cell references. I spent an hour trying to figure out how to add a reference correctly, and obviously failed.

However, the reference is still valid, and important, so when I do figure out how to do it right, please don't revert it.

In regards to your reversion of the External Reference on the Direct Methanol Fuel Cell that I added correctly, that was a valid, and extremely useful reference to the predominant source of hydrocarbon membranes. Hydrocarbon membranes are supplanting Nafion for DMFCs, and they are totally under-represented in this Wiki article. I may fix that some day soon, but in the mean time, Wiki users deserve to be pointed at this reference, as much as the other external references in the list.

TIA. HighConcept 20:10, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * No, they don't. It looks very, very much to be advertising for a specific company, which is a violation of policy. WP:LINKSPAM explains it best. Please don't add it. See WP:V and WP:RS for what counts as a reliable source... and WP:CITE for how to cite things, while you're at it. If you have reliable sources, then you can add content, citing those sources. Otherwise, please don't add links to commercial sites in a general topic article. Gscshoyru 20:23, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Then let's be consistent. In the DMFC article, remove the two external links "Startup taking big steps to launching this technology" which goes directly to a manufacturer's site, and "World's smallest DMFC", which goes to Toshiba. Let's not have selective enforcement.


 * In regards to the citation I tried to add to the fuel cell article, the story ran in at least a half-dozen publications online. I had a choice of several links to use, and decided, based upon similar examples in that same long list of citations where the ORIGINAL source document (i.e., Press Release) was cited several times, to chose the link that had the least probability of going dead -- that of the original release. Again, the very Wiki I was editing provided a precedent for what I was doing.


 * Finally, I understand the issues about "advertising" for a specific company. But the line gets fuzzy on the bleeding edge of technology, where there might only be one company that is even referenceable, and is, in fact, the center of competence (and information) for that entire field or segment. What do you do? Pretend they don't exist, and deny users the information they could learn from the technical material provided by that company? Thanks. HighConcept 21:02, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * If there's a newspaper article, then cite the newspaper article. Not the original source. Secondary sources are much more reliable than primary sources, so secondary sources are what we use -- see WP:RS. And as for selective enforcement -- please, remove the links -- they don't belong, for the same reason yours does not. And if there's a company on the "bleeding edge" then there should be some sort of secondary source about this -- a newspaper article or something -- that you can reference. Online articles usually have links to the company, so the reader can easily make their way to the page. But we don't usually directly link to a company, when the article is about a general topic. Or shouldn't anyway -- this rule isn't well enforced, as you have seen with the other links on the page. Be my guest and remove them -- and when adding information from the news, cite the newspaper article. Ok? Gscshoyru 21:13, 4 October 2007 (UTC)