User talk:HighKing/Archives/2011/September

President of Ireland
Disagreeing with me is fine. However, accusing me (at the talkpage & edit summary) of trolling, can be viewed as an attempt at provocation. Please, tone it down. GoodDay (talk) 12:49, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It is trolling - I can't think of another word for it. You *know* that the edit won't stick, but you make it anyway.  Why is that?  Well, a reasonable person coming to this without knowing any background might think that perhaps you're knowledgeable or passionate on the subject or an expert.  Unfortunately GoodDay, you're modus operandi is well known and your pattern of editing over time is littered with comments and interventions that are based on your opinion (not policy or guidelines), often ill-informed, always polarized, and this is a genuine problem that is getting worse, not better.  So it is a genuine a deliberate action on your part - the very definition of trolling.  --HighKing (talk) 20:11, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Spot on, HighKing. Same tedious, POV trolling, same day, different article. It's hardly provocation to point it out. Daicaregos (talk) 20:46, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * And another one here as well. This low level under the radar disruption has got to stop. Bjmullan (talk) 20:52, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I find the Talk page comments more trolling. Like, what exactly is the point in this comment?  Think about it - why would a so-called uninvolved editor wish to remind Snappy of this?  It's another example of low-level trolling and disruption.  --HighKing (talk) 21:04, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It's just going to go on and on and on, as it has for months/years. Admins see it all the time, but do nothing - it's pathetic. This is an option. Can't see anything else working tbh, and he can't seem to stop himself. Daicaregos (talk) 21:19, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I tend to agree. It sorta feels like an  intervention for his compulsive behavior...  --HighKing (talk) 21:49, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Reckon you're wasting your time trying to reason with trolls. They just laugh at you, saying he can do what he wants. Best to do this instead. Best, Daicaregos (talk) 14:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

UK Alfa Romeo Owners Club
You PRODded this, and it was deleted. Undeletion has been requested at WP:REFUND, so per WP:DEL I have restored it, and now notify you in case you wish to consider taking it to AfD. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 19:14, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Also not a speedy - makes a claim to significance. Mt  king  (edits)  12:13, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Really? What claim exactly?  --HighKing (talk) 13:57, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Irish!
Hi there. You are helping me with the yodeling article and I noticed that you are Irish. I have had a very long-standing argument at the rutabaga article because I have wanted to include turnip lanterns. I worked on the info 2 years ago and decided a few weeks ago that come hell or high water I was going to insist that it be included. The info is there right now, but the debate is ongoing. One problem that I had when doing research is the fact that as far as I can understand, "rutabagas" are always called turnips in Scotland and Ireland - is that correct? So, what do they call turnips? I do a great deal of gardening myself, and I'd tend to guess that it is the "rutabaga" that was used for lanterns and not the more rounded-shaped "turnips". Would you know? Thanks. Gandydancer (talk) 18:34, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi there! You are correct - in Ireland we refer to the rutabaga as a "turnip". In Scotland it's the same (or they call them "neeps").  Here's a decent article.  I personally don't use the word "Swede" don't know if that word is used at all that much - I'm sure other editors will jump in and let you know.  I'd refer to the photo on turnip page as a "white turnip" to distinguish it from the traditional turnip.  --HighKing (talk) 20:46, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Poll on ArbCom resolution - Ireland article names
There is a poll taking place here on whether or not to extend the ArbCombinding resolution, which says there may be no page move discussions for Ireland, Republic of Ireland or Ireland (disambiguation), for a further two years. Fmph (talk) 20:25, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Trolls
Not a troll, just a person WILLING to expose some of the bias of editors on here that feed their own political views through seemingly NPOV. I WILL expose thier POV and POV pushing. Now if you want to sit aside and have POV pushed onto you under the guise of neutrality, by all means go ahead. But I dont think you take things sitting down. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.34.103 (talk) 11:24, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Globalize tag
Um... I'm not sure that Globalize is helpful when added to an article like Sternbergia candida (article now changed as noted below). Part of the problem, for me, is the wording it produces: "The examples and perspective in this article may not represent a worldwide view of the subject".


 * This actually applies only to the section, as you had noted by its position, but the notice doesn't say this, it says the article.
 * There's no question about "may not", it "did not", because I had explicitly said so. There is a problem in knowing what geographical area Mathew is talking about. I deliberately included a geographical area, because a large number of gardening articles simply assume a US (or at best North American) perspective without mentioning this at all. It seems to me that these are the articles which should be tagged with Globalize – those which are written as if they are universal, but are not. Thus I would tag Habranthus (see the paragraph beginning "Habranthus, like other rain lilies, is an heirloom plant ...") since the phrase "heirloom plant that is not widely used in mainstream landscapes" assumes an entirely American perspective. But I wouldn't tag Agapanthus africanus, since this is clear about the geographical area which is covered.

On reflection, I think the best thing to do with material sourced to Mathew's books may be to generalize, and use something like "countries subject to frost" rather than a more specific area, since he's vague — I've made this change. But this doesn't deal with cases when the source clearly specifies a geographical area which is reproduced in the article. It doesn't seem to me helpful to readers or editors to tag such cases with Globalize but not cases where no geographical area is mentioned but is nevertheless implicitly assumed. What do you think? Peter coxhead (talk) 14:53, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Peter, thanks for the explanation. Not sure what tag would have been appropriate but on rereading, the Globalize isn't the right one since it's for an entire article.  Not sure there's even a tag for the right one - I'll have another look and see.  --HighKing (talk) 16:01, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * A lot of the problems with a lot of flora and fauna articles is that they're nearly always entirely written from a localised point of view, and use sources which only examine the object within the context of a local area. No doubt the opening descriptions, etc, are true for all areas, but when it comes to sections on usage or cultivation, it becomes apparent.  --HighKing (talk) 16:04, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Is that a general concern of yours HK, or only where the phrase "British Isles" happens to pop up? I mean, you may be right, but is it something you generally monitor botanical articles for in cases where the phrase "British Isles" does not occur but some other localised geographical phrase occurs? I ask as I wonder what the gardening scope of this particular plant is. Do you happen to know anything about the plant in question and where it is predominantly gardened? Jamesinderbyshire (talk) 16:19, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I've always had an interest in botanical articles. I knew nothing about this plant in question beforehand though, but it was a new article that caught my eye.  --HighKing (talk) 19:17, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Back to the tag issue: I can't find a tag which does what I think is needed for articles which are explicit about their limited coverage, namely one which says something like "This section only discusses cultivation in a limited geographical area; please add sourced material to improve coverage". If there is one, I'll be very happy to use it. Peter coxhead (talk) 10:14, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Good idea for a tag. Perhaps a general one such as "This section describes the subject in a limited geographical area; please add sourced material to globalize and/or improve coverage".  Something like that.  --HighKing (talk) 10:26, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Mt king  (edits)  21:20, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Brendan Bracken
Morning, just wondered if you'd seen this story? Apparently the Irish son of a Fenian man (Gaelic Athletic Assoc, etc), Brendan Bracken was eventually completely instrumental in saving the world from Nazism via his crucial intervention to persuade WSC to not say he would serve under Halifax. Interesting stuff. Jamesinderbyshire (talk) 10:50, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'd read about Brendan Bracken previously. A bit of an odd ball but fascinating.  Seems there were a lot of "characters" from that era.  --HighKing (talk) 23:11, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Ireland naming stuff
Do you have a dictionary, so that I can understand RTG's posts? GoodDay (talk) 15:58, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: UK Alfa Romeo Owners Club
Hello HighKing. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of UK Alfa Romeo Owners Club, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: '''It is not appropriate to speedy-tag an article which has just survived AfD. If you disagree, ask the closing admin, then go to WP:DRV.''' Thank you. JohnCD (talk) 16:22, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. --HighKing (talk) 16:30, 27 September 2011 (UTC)