User talk:HillerJR

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Fiddle  Faddle  16:55, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Help me!
I've encountered some troubles with suggesting sub-pages for an article, and Tim Trent (aka Fiddle Faddle) has recommended that I contact admin help to see what can be fixed. On 30 August I uploaded a replacement for a stub at Light front quantization and submitted four sub-pages to support the new page. Someone doing editing of the submissions overwrote the first three sub-pages with the fourth, and just recently the fourth was installed with an incorrect name of Light-front quantization. Luckily, the hyphen keeps this separate from the main page, but the link from the main page doesn't work, of course, and the other three sub-pages are still missing. To match what I originally hoped for, the new page at Light-front quantization should be moved to Light_front_quantization_(applications) and the first three contributions on 30 August (at 17:04, 17:14, and 17:25, respectively) should be reconsidered as separate sub-pages named as Light_front_quantization_(formalism_part1), Light_front_quantization_(formalism_part2), and Light_front_quantization_(computational_methods).

Thank you for your help! HillerJR (talk) 17:45, 27 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I am still having trouble understanding with precision what you need. It may be that I am just tired and should stop editing for a bit! Even so, please spoon feed us with the things you require to be done. Ideally on action per line, in sequence. I've suggested admin help because the help required is likely to require admin actions to delete pages that are in the way. I'm really glad to see you ask for help. I just wish I coudl decipher the precise help required. Apologies if I am being thick! Fiddle   Faddle  18:46, 27 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Tim,


 * Thank you for pointing me at admin help! No reply yet, but I'm sure they're busy.


 * My explanation of things assumed that admin would have access to my contributions page, but maybe you don't? Sorry!  Here are the entries for 30 August (without the links):


 * 17:33, 30 August 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+103)‎ . . Light-front quantization ‎ (→‎Light_front_quantization_(applications): new section)
 * 17:32, 30 August 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+24,863)‎ . . Light-front quantization ‎ (New supporting page, to be linked from light front quantization as Light_front_quantization_(applications).) (Tag: Possible self promotion in userspace)
 * 17:26, 30 August 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+112)‎ . . Light-front quantization ‎ (→‎Light_front_quantization_(computational_methods): new section)
 * 17:25, 30 August 2014 (diff | hist) . . (-11,239)‎ . . Light-front quantization ‎ (New supporting page, to be linked from light front quantization as Light_front_quantization_(computational_methods).)
 * 17:15, 30 August 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+106)‎ . . Light-front quantization ‎ (→‎Light_front_quantization_(formalism_part2): new section)
 * 17:14, 30 August 2014 (diff | hist) . . (-5,924)‎ . . Light-front quantization ‎ (New supporting page, to be linked from light front quantization as Light_front_quantization_(formalism_part2).)
 * 17:07, 30 August 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+107)‎ . . Light-front quantization ‎ (→‎Light_front_quantization_(formalism_part1).: new section)
 * 17:04, 30 August 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+48,713)‎ . . N Light-front quantization ‎ (New supporting page, to be linked from light front quantization as Light_front_quantization_(formalism_part1).)
 * 16:53, 30 August 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+37,444)‎ . . Light front quantization ‎ (Complete replacement of stub with new page, to be linked with four additional pages that will be submitted soon.)


 * The steps that need to be taken to put things as I intended (if that is acceptable!) are to
 * rename Light-front quantization as Light_front_quantization_(applications)
 * restore the original submission of Light_front_quantization_(formalism_part1) done at 17:04 and consider for installation as a sub-page
 * restore the original submission of Light_front_quantization_(formalism_part2) done at 17:14 and consider for installation as a sub-page
 * restore the original submission of Light_front_quantization_(computational_methods) done at 17:25 and consider for installation as a sub-page
 * BTW, rest assured that the HillerJR account is mine alone. HillerJR (talk) 14:03, 28 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I removed the intervening heading, because the help request may lead whoever replies to look only in the section with the help request. I imagine they are busy too. Time, however, is a commodity available a-plenty. We can all see contribution histories, but the key is the explanation abive of what you hope to happen Fiddle   Faddle  07:45, 29 October 2014 (UTC)


 * So if I understand correctly you want to create 4 separate articles on this topic, two of them on the same sub-topic. This is not the way Wikipedia is usually organized.  It would be better to include whatever material is needed all in the same article.  It's also usual for an encyclopedia article to give people a basic understanding of a topic, and not necessarily be a comprehensive study.  As it stands I've tagged the article suggesting that the lead section be rewritten to provide more of a layman's explanation of what the article is about.  As a non-scientist if I saw the term light-front quantization used in an article, and I wanted to know concisely what that is, I would come to Wikipedia not for a detailed scientific study of the topic, or a comprehensive lesson, but rather for an explanation I could understand about the basics.  The lead paragraph should provide that and then build into the more detailed information. —&#160;&#160;  &#160;&#160;Bill W.&#160;&#160;  &#160;&#160; (Talk)&#160;&#160;(Contrib)&#160;&#160; (User:Wtwilson3) &#160;&#160;— 14:25, 29 October 2014 (UTC)


 * HillerJR, I am an admin and I've looked at the responses you've already received and I can't add to them. There shouldn't be multiple articles on one main topic unless it is so broad and/or long that multiple pages really are unavoidable. Nthep (talk) 15:24, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

To Bill W
Thank you for your input! But please realize that the page linked at light-front quantization was incorrectly installed. It was supposed to be a sub-page named light_front_quantization_(applications). The main page is at light front quantization (no hyphen). If the sub-page is not permitted, it (the one with the hyphen) should be deleted.

Also, if Wikipedia is working on improving coverage of physics, perhaps these pages can fit in some way.

John HillerJR (talk) 15:07, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Requesting decision re subpages
My comment above has gone unnoticed, so I'm trying again directly to adminhelp. If my subpages are unacceptable, I will need to do quite a bit of work to re-formulate the main light front quantization article. Therefore, I would like a clear ruling on the (un)acceptability of having a main page and four subpages.

To recap my situation: I did intend multiple articles, to be able to fully cover the topic of light front quantization without making any one article too long. Four subpages were submitted, to be linked from light front quantization, and one subpage was posted, but with the wrong name light-front quantization instead of light_front_quantization_(applications). The incorrectly named article has now been declared an orphan, which is not surprising. One caveat is that the four subpages that I submitted were almost immediately overwritten by copies of the fourth; to see my versions you will need to look at the oldest versions.

The discussion by Bill W. above appears to assume that the incorrectly posted subpage is the main page. I suspect that this may have distorted all subsequent discussion and opinions.

In any case, if the four subpages that I submitted on 30 August are not acceptable, I will need to revise the main article to remove the proposed links and to alter the content to be self contained. I will do this if you give me the ruling that the subpages are unacceptable.

However, if the four subpages are acceptable, then I will need admin help to get things back to what they should have been. The steps needed are discussed above.

Thanks for your help!

John HillerJR (talk) 20:54, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * We don't make subpages in main space. Please break the topic up into a group of articles. Each article should be no more than 10,000 words. -- Diannaa (talk) 01:21, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Subpages are article titles that contain a slash. Subpages are not allowed in main space. Multiple articles on the same topic are okay. For example:


 * Main article: Messiah (Handel); additional articles located at Messiah Part I, Messiah Part II, Messiah Part III, etc.
 * Main article: Adolf Hitler; additional articles include Adolf Hitler in popular culture, Sexuality of Adolf Hitler, Hitler Cabinet, etc.
 * For large topics, navigation templates are used: Template:George Frideric Handel, Template:Adolf Hitler. Navigation between articles can also be accomplished by listing in the See also section or through the use of hatnotes. -- Diannaa (talk) 15:49, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Maximum article size is 10,000 words. Your two articles Light front quantization and Light-front quantization total less than 10,000 words, so there's no reason why the material could not be combined into a single article at the correct title (Light front quantization) and the duplicate article (Light-front quantization) could then be deleted. -- Diannaa (talk) 15:59, 1 December 2014 (UTC)