User talk:Hillsboroughartscouncil

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Also, thank you for your new article on your organization. It may indeed be workable into a full encyclopedic article, but please pay particular attention to the style manual above.

If you need help, check out Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place  on your talk page and ask your question there. Again, welcome! &mdash;--Darkwind (talk) 19:16, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Hillsborough arts council
I've gone directly to the article to make some changes you should be able to see in the wikitext. Specifically, some things that you might find helpful:

- just leave a blank line  and  - just put an asterisk at the start of the line you want to have a bullet in your article text exactly where you want it to appear. Note that's two underscores each before and after the word TOC.
 * There's generally no need for HTML tags as the wiki software has easier alternatives:
 * Categories won't take effect if they're inside HTML (like the li tags you used)
 * A table of contents will only appear if there are 4 or more sections. It's not typically appropriate to start your article with a section header, which is why I removed it.  That means there's only 3 sections and the TOC won't appear.  If you want to force one to appear anyway, put

I hope that helps! --Darkwind (talk) 19:52, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, a couple other things I forgot to mention. Please try to avoid "we" and other self-referencing phrases when you write an article.  Articles MUST avoid sounding like advertisements or press releases.  Also, your article currently doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines as it stands now.  You'll need to reference some reputable third-party sources that establish why your organization is encyclopedically notable. --Darkwind (talk) 19:54, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

In reply
Regarding the notability issue, I'm not going to make any kind of final judgment call as to whether what you've included is completely sufficient -- I don't think I really have the experience in that depth of Wikipedia policy. You certainly have made a sincere effort to comply with the guidelines, and that helps. Other editors will eventually happen upon the article to make a more informed decision, since the template about notability at the top of the article also puts the article in a category for articles that need notability refinement.

Regarding "nofollow", you may have seen it mentioned that it's included with external links in articles. That's done automatically by the MediaWiki software, and you don't have to worry about it. You can see it there already if you use your browser to look at the page source of the rendered article. --Darkwind (talk) 23:44, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Misunderstanding
There seems to be a bit of a misunderstanding here. The page was moved because I fixed the capitalization (moving the page is the only way to rename it), so it's now located at Hillsborough Arts Council to comply with article naming standards. Hillsborough arts council should also link to it via a redirection. I'm not sure why you're having trouble finding it.

Regarding the notability issue, it's quite easy to see if something doesn't meet the standard at all-- no cited sources beyond the organization's own website is a dead giveaway. The notability template was added to let other editors (including you) know that they should do some research to find some sources, or consider whether or not the article needs to stay.

Since I added the template, you've added more sources. It's reached a very grey area now, where I don't feel qualified to say "yes, that's enough" or "no, you need more." Personally, close judgment calls like that are uncomfortable to me, and that's the great part of Wikipedia--I can hand it off to other editors who'll eventually come along to review the page. It's fairly standard practice here that if you see an article needs something, but don't feel like doing it yourself, you can tag the article and someone will get to it. If YOU feel you've met the notability criteria, remove the template. *shrug*

The category you cited ("unclear importance" etc.) is part of the template and is added to the list at the bottom of the page whenever the template is anywhere in the article. It's that category that lets more experienced editors know that the page needs someone to look it over for notability issues. I added that template to the article before I left you the initial message that mentioned the notability issue.

I hope that clarifies what happened. --Darkwind (talk) 01:23, 8 August 2007 (UTC)