User talk:HisSpaceResearch/Archive 3

Talk:Soft_Machine
Hi HisSpaceResearch, I would like you to add your view on the discussion here. Cheers, BNutzer 18:37, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

RE: Polish Bubbles the clown
Good Idea: send me the link once you have done it.

Riatsila 16:15, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Message to people reading this talk page
In a few days' time I'll be going away until next month, so don't expect to see me on Wikipedia.--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 16:27, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Gweek again
Could you be more specific in your objection to the references in the article on the village and civil parish of Gweek, please? See Talk:Gweek for my comments=== Vernon White (talk)  10:02, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response. I have tidied up the article and provided a Commons gallery of pictures. Would you be ageeable to removing the "Unreliablesources|date=July 2007" tag, please ?

TfD nomination of Template:Not a ballot
Template:Not a ballot has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Cerejota 04:11, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image (Image:King Crimson - 21st Century Schizoid Man.ogg)
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Feeder (band)
Sounds good!!, maybe we can use it within the article?. Marcus Bowen 10:27, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey!!, looks a great pic!!!!. Wish I met Jon!!, did seem him play live at the Leeds Met uni gig in 2001, which was amazing.

King Crisom I first heard of from a friend of a friend from Spain, who's into all 1970's prog rock. So I'll read that with interest and article comparison for GA! :D. Marcus Bowen 10:31, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


 * We've got GA!!!!Marcus Bowen 21:05, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Furry fandom GA nomination
I've tried to perform all that you asked for. I've removed weasel words, sorted out the problems with unreferenced text, and tried to include more criticism by including a section on anti-furries. ISD 13:59, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I think I have referenced it fully now. ISD 15:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I found some better refernces and deleted passenges that I could not find reliable references for. ISD 20:00, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I think I've finally done all of the requested requirements. Most of the "See Also" section has been included in the template. ISD 06:59, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

The anti-furry section had to be removed due to lack of references. ISD 14:13, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure if I can improve the article anymore. There has been some discussion as to whether or not the anto-furry stuff was relevant anyway, and I personally am not aware of any other sources for stuff critical of the fandom. ISD 07:45, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

GG&F
Personally, I don't think the year of formation needs a direct citation. Is it likely to be disputed? Yeah, I'm planning to improve Husker Du in the near future, but apart from Our Band, there isn't a ton of material written about the band. CloudNine 19:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, added a citation anyway ;) You may want to use sample box start and sample box end for the samples, but that's just a personal preference. CloudNine 19:25, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I've currently got the furry fandom article on hold, but can I ask you...
Would Monkey (advertising character) be considered a funny animal? I guess you'd be the one to ask...--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 23:36, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I do not think it would be. At least in my understanding, "funny animal" is just a cartooning term - and mostly professional cartooning, at that (or at least people trying to be professional . . .). Furries do not tend to use the term, and many might not ever have heard it. Monkey might be thought of as a talking animal, in the "simulated human" as opposed to the "humanized animal" variety. He is a person who happens to non-human, but has many of the mental aspects of a human - an anthropomorphic character. GreenReaper 00:12, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I guess it's obvious in that Monkey is not a cartoon character, therefore not a funny animal, but I was just wanting to kind of break the ice for me to ask you, GreenReaper... what do you think of ED's criticism of the furry fandom, and its page on you (which I notice you've edited)?--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 00:20, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * ED doesn't criticize - it points and laughs. There's a difference. :-)


 * I think it's possible to overrate their influence. ED isn't really a body so much as the sum of the individuals contributing of it. Their actions towards the furry fandom in general have been the metaphorical equivalent of prodding a small animal with a sharp stick, videotaping the result, and publishing the parts that don't make them look bad as a documentary. This works, because a certain proportion of furry fans are pretty sensitive to prodding, but it has become "old meme" over the last few years.


 * The sad thing is that there's a lot of effort going towards something that's essentially making fun of people's actions. I don't think this is a positive achievement. The furry community actually had something similar called Yiffsnark (originally the VCL/Furry Horrors Wiki), dedicated to making fun of particular artists and their works, but it closed soon after it was founded. I think the owner quickly realized the only people who could be cruller towards furries than members of ED was other furries (some of whom fostered real grudges), and they didn't like the result of all that concentrated hate. Or perhaps their servers just died. Either way, they didn't get very far. The sort of people who build a good wiki will spend far more time writing about things that they love than things that they hate.


 * That is why ED works the way it does - because the people who write it love drama. But, in focusing on that, they magnify everything that is undesirable about parts of the furry fandom (and all the other groups they cover), as well as promoting stereotypes which they know not to be true. This happens on forums all the time, of course, but a wiki acts as an accretion platform for this stuff. Fortunately, few people take them seriously, but they can still damage the lives of individuals through malicious publication, and they don't really care as long as it's funny. That is hardly specific to furry fandom - we've just been a good target over the years.


 * ED's page on me is not a very good one. I don't really have much in the way of juicy drama for them to talk about (other than being a furry) so they have to make up stuff - and as drama is only really funny and believable if it's true, it falls a little flat. If I didn't lead WikiFur they wouldn't bother. GreenReaper 05:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * On reflection, I get the feeling you're looking for a way to introduce a sense of criticism that you felt was missing from the article. The thing is . . . furry fandom is, for most, a hobby. We don't kill puppies. We don't pollute the environment. We do raise quite large amounts of money for charity. About the worst thing you can really say about it is "these guys are wasting their time and money and deluding themselves living in a fantasy world" (possibly with ".., ha ha!" at the end). Oh, and apparently we have sex with one another (hey, at least we're getting some ;-) and keep baseball teams up at night. If you want an version of this kind of stuff from a "notable" individual, see Rush Limbaugh, but ultimately I don't think he's any better than ED. He just has a bigger audience. GreenReaper 21:30, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Anna Svidersky AfD
Howdy! On the Anna Svidersky AfD you expressed sentiments to keep the content regarding the notability of the aftermath following her death. I recently created the Mourning sickness article with a section ascribed to Svidersky and the reaction to her death. My intent is to respect the content that you and other "Keep advocates" have wished to retain but still maintain the encyclopedic focus on what is actually notable about Anna Svidersky. If you have an opportunity, feel free to review the article and give me any feedback about what I can do to improve it. AgneCheese/Wine 08:38, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject: Test Cards
I've just started a Test Card Project, and I wondered if you'd like to join, as you sometimes edit Test Card articles.

Go to it here (the link on the template is not working yet.

Test Card Maker
I was looking around for some replacement jpgs (Image:Tch.jpg is tagged and needs a rationale) when I came upon this, which may be of use to you:

http://www.oodletuz.fsnet.co.uk/soft/tcmaker.htm

Zir 12:05, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Furry fandom GA review feedback
Thank you for completing your review and pointing out further areas for improvement before GA status can be attained. It helps a lot. :-) GreenReaper 19:31, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Closure of AfD
I see that you, as a non-admin, have closed Articles for deletion/Advertising 2.0 (2nd nomination) as speedy delete even though, as of the time I'm typing this, the article has not, in fact, been deleted. This is not a good idea, since if an admin declines the speedy tag you placed on the article, a new AfD will have to be created to get rid of it. Next time, please wait until an article has actually been deleted before you close the AfD. Deor 11:27, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Having randomly come across this article in CSD, and not deleted it, I agree with this. The article is actually not identical to the previous deleted version (CSD G4). The previous version contained four short paragraphs, and no sources at all. I'd like to suggest that the AfD is speedy re-opened, by yourself, so that it can be reviewed and deleted properly. -- zzuuzz (talk) 11:49, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. You may have found an admin rouge enough to delete it, but this usually causes all sorts of drama. It's been nearly a year since the last AfD, and the term is now twice as old as it was back then. The article is a different one (though you weren't to know that). It'd be good to give it a fuller review. When you close an AfD, the nomination needs ab at the bottom, or it closes the whole AfD page! Good luck closing them in the future. -- zzuuzz (talk) 12:33, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Notification of discussion: Guideline/policy governing lists
Given your extensive Wikipedia experience, I'd appreciate your input on the following:

User:Sidatio/Conversations/On list guidelines

Thank you in advance for any thoughts you may have on the topic. Sidatio 01:36, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Your trip to Romania

 * :)Hi HisSpaceResearch :) I would like to ask you about your trip to Romania. How was it? Did you went with prejudice and how was the reality that you find? did you visit only Bucharest or also around, i.e. Transylvania. I'm really interested to see your opinion. Please reply me not just in few words. Thanks :) --81.74.236.38 13:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. I just want to ask you if the reality beats your prejudice. Many people form West see Romania very bad after watching some "clisee". Now, is the reality better or worst?81.74.236.38 15:44, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, wiki is not a forum, but at least a small socialization it's not a bad thing after all.81.74.236.38 15:44, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Gweek, Cornwall
Thanks for your advice about this page. Hope you like the improvements, although there is still a lot to be done to the article yet. Vernon White - T A L K . . . to me. 09:20, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * can I remove the tag, please? Did you like Hudson Swan's music? Vernon White -  T A L K . . . to me. 09:39, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism? In _my_ userspace?
I reverted some apparent vandalism to one of your essays. I hope you don't mind me editing your userspace. By the way, i enjoyed your essays. Foobaz·o&lt; 18:13, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * My favorite is /Participating in deletion discussions is a way of letting one's anger out. I personally subscribe to WP:FUCK, but people can get awfully worked up sometimes. Also, ever since i took it upon myself to be a neutral voice of reason at the Scientology articles, all other discussions seem harmonious in comparison. Foobaz·o&lt; 18:52, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the WikiLove
Crazy as it sounds, I did specifically take that picture with the idea of putting it on Wikipedia. As for the choice of award: I don't think it's ridiculous, but I personally dislike smoking and drinking (and don't do either), so it's probably not a good universal choice. Of course, some people dislike barnstars and (possibly) chocolate, too. GreenReaper 18:54, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Shitsu Nakano
I agree with your comments. This whole "anyone who is old deserves and article" thing is getting out of hand. Out of the ten here here, only the Top 3 have enough information on their pages for them to deserve their own pages. In fact, 90% of the names on the Oldest people page have articles, many of which are just a few sentences explaining where they stand in both modern and contemporary rankings. I'm an inclusionist in theory, but not when it means giving anyone who's ever had been one of the Top 10 oldest people a stub. If the people making these pages were actually including content on these pages and expanding them into full and detailed biographies, I wouldn't care. But there's no point in having a hundred stubs that will never be expanded. I would nominate many of them for deletion, except I already know that Mr. Young and Mr. Versieck won't support it (they told me so). So their votes, in addition with the vote of the person who created it will shout me down. And it's not a big or obvious enough subject that the vote will attract many other editors. It's frustrating. If an article can't be expanded past a stub, it probably doesn't deserve to be on Wikipedia ESPECIALLY if half of these people don't even want to be known, they want privacy, so their information won't ever even be available outside of original research. Cheers, CP 18:00, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually I do have to admit one thing, even Mr. Young thinks that it is "spinning out of control," so I do have to acknowledge that. Cheers, CP 18:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That psuedobiography link is very useful, thank you very much. I absolutely despise having to AfD, but perhaps it would be useful to have a test case. Just to get your opinion, should I nominate Shitsu Nakano or Gladys Swetland? Nakano will attract more editors as a recent death, but will also be harder to fight since the arguments will be that she was the oldest in Japan and that they need "time" to expand it. Swetland will attract fewer editors, but she also has even less of claim to fame than Nakano. Both violate WP:PSEUDO, which will quickly become one of my favourite wiki shortcuts. Cheers, CP 18:19, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Gladys Swetland has been nominated for deletion... if this goes well, I'll nominate Nakano after and, if that goes well too, it may be time to start clearing up the clutter. And yes, I am the DL Canadian Paul. For a second, I was a bit worried that I had been discovered on google and that I was going get a lecture! Although I cannot quite guess who you are, I know TF is on Wikipedia and was a surprisingly prolific editor. Cheers, CP 18:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Dear 'His Space Research', I AGREE that the supercentenarian biographies are 'spinning out of control.' That doesn't necessarily mean that the person doesn't deserve an article. It DOES mean that people are creating article stubs which make it difficult to identify needed points of expansion. For example, articles have recently been created for persons such as Annie Jennings. I believe this person warrants an article, but the person who started it has next to nothing when it comes to sources (the news coverage was from 1998 and 1999; not easy to find if you are just merrily creating stubs without a second thought).

HOWEVER...I don't think this means we should go after 'mid-level' supercentenarian articles. Persons like Gladys Swetland aren't of top-importance, but neither are they the least significant. There are close to 200 supercentenarian articles now and I could find a few dozen with less significance than '9th-oldest in the world.' I disagree with you 100% that being in the top-10 worldwide isn't notable. If this were music, having a top-20 single would be notable. If this were tennis, having a top-10 player would be notable. If this were football, being a minor player on a college football team who dies of heat stroke or is shot is 'notable'. Keeley Dorsey and Bryan Pata, anyone?

If you are concerned with 'perma-stubs' I suggest you go after the low-hanging fruit first. I might even support your effort (as I did with Yasu Nishiyama, whose article was created when we had no information other than her age rank and no possibility of expansion). But going after a top-10 really means you have no respect for the field or the idea. Today we see ample media coverage (for example, Florence Busch, 59th-oldest in the world). If 59th-oldest is enough to get a Google-tracked news story, surely we can do a top-10.

P.S. The Shitsu Nakano article CAN be expanded; there's even a picture online we could add. Being Japan's oldest person is considered one of the top 'longevity' titles in the world (along with 'oldest living American'). The USA is #1 (most supercentenarians, only nation with at least one person aged 113+ for 20 consecutive years, currently has six of the top ten oldest people) but Japan is second in the world in number of supercentenarians, by far (USA about 70; Japan about 30; France might be third with about 10-15). Being the oldest person in Japan is no small feat. Compare this to the 'oldest person in Belgium' (age 108 right now) or 'oldest person in the Netherlands' (age 109 right now) or even 'oldest person in Germany' (age 111 right now). Arguing for deletion of Shitsu Nakano (4th-oldest in the world, oldest in Japan, top-100 all-time) will not work.Ryoung122 14:27, 23 August 2007 (UTC) Ryoung122 14:27, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

AYB
Article all your base, you might have overlooked a notice in talkpage. Please reconsider your delisting, soonest. Thanks. Lara_bran 15:38, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Fine then, i thought you considered it as lack of refs. Bye. Lara_bran 03:24, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

The Velvet Underground (book)
Which citations do you feel are missing, specifically? I wrote that text with the book in hand, so it should be easy to supply them if I can find it again. Rp 13:29, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Anna Svidersky part deux II
Howdy! I hope you don't mind the second interruption but there is currently a Request for comment on the talk page of the Svidersky article aimed at resolving disagreements over the outcome of the last AfD. We'd like to get some additional input so that we can amicably resolve those disagreements and your thoughts would be greatly appreciated by all the editors on the Svidersky page. Thank you for your time. AgneCheese/Wine 15:02, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Doan Van Chan
Here is a typical article that I'm talking about: do you see ANY references at all?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doan_Van_Chan

Ryoung122 15:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Sleep sex
You recently tagged Sleep sex as needing a cleanup but forgot to explain why on the article's discussion page. You are almost certainly correct here, but could you please explain your reasoning there and then readd the cleanup tag to the article? Thanks. --Yamla 18:54, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Nude FFA
On the AFD of Nude celebrities on the Internet, we need to consider Gimmetrow's and other bots and scripts on the WP:FFA page before adding a link to the AFD; I'm not sure if that will add clarity or complicate scripts, and would like to hear from others first. I started a discussion section at Wikipedia talk:Former featured articles. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 12:16, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Would you mind following the discussion I linked above? I've thought of a problem (but Gimmetrow is the one "in the know").  I'm pretty sure that by deleting the article talk page, we're going to have a problem with script tallies on the number of FFAs and so on.  Is it not possible on AFDs to leave the talk page, so that ArticleHistory is preserved?  To whom should I direct that question?  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 12:53, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks; I pinged Raul654 as well as Gimmetrow, so we should be able to figure out if there are issues relating to preserving the articlehistory. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 13:05, 1 Sept

ember 2007 (UTC)

Scapegoat
You placed reference quote against this article, but do you watch the article when they are referenced? I just get peed off when people have an automatic non-ref hit on articles but don't then watch those same articles they have invested in to take a stand. I have articles with no reference quotes against them with multiple reference quotes attached. Can I delete these messages when I quote, or do I need the people who made the quote to personally remove? Love your work by the way.--FruitMonkey 23:14, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete the when you quote, or replace them with a tag. Which of my work do you 'love'? I'm curious.--h i s   s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 08:19, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

KC FAC
Hi. I just noticed your comment on your FAC. I'd like to say that the comments by Sandy and Tony are to be respected because they know their stuff, but in all actuality, they are minor issues, and bringing this up is not impossible. And, incidentally, I am impressed with all the good things Tony had to say - (rare). I can help with MOS issues and ref format, prose I'm not so good at but I know a few heavy metal guys who are GREAT at prose in music-related articles and I can ask them to take a look too - (they helped me with mine at FAC - and yes - they sent it to the meatgrinder and crushed it to bits - but they helped me piece it all back together into FA standards.) And if this work can't be done before Raul does his next promotions, it wouldn't take much work and then it can be brought back to FAC. I guess what I'm saying is that it can be done, and to not get discouraged. ♫ Cricket02 16:55, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Did some ref fixes today. Need a few things:

I added templates for these - but you need to add as much info as possible to empty parameters such as authors, etc., and change title (I put in "Article" for title) : (or use the album template like you said - just need more info some how on these)
 * Bellfast Telegraph (30)
 * NME1974 (31)
 * ActonGazette (32) - state where this paper is located with wikilink if possible
 * Cashbox (33)
 * NYTimes (37)
 * TheTimes (39)
 * SoundsMag (40)
 * MM82 (41)
 * NME82 (42)
 * ThrakQMag (47)
 * Vox (48)

Got an author for 70 or 71?

If you get these straightened out, ask Sandy to revisit. She usually does. Good luck again. ♫ Cricket02 17:28, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The editor on her talk page said she expected to be blocked, so I obliged (48 hours) - I'll watch the space and salt and reblock if recreated Jimfbleak 11:18, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Bolster Day
Greetings, you have recently listed Bolster Day for an AfD. I have performed a Non Admin Closure on this according to the Snow Clause. Please lodge a Deletion review if you have any issues with my decision. Fosnez 13:22, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey (reply)
Feel free to copy any userboxes you like.
 * ^) wbfergus undefinedTalk 16:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys (song)
An article that you have been involved in editing, The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys (song), has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/. Thank you.  Jreferee  (Talk) 20:01, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Biography Newsletter 5
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Mr Bean
Back in Feb you answered a question about the Mr Bean article on the episodes. I was wondering whether you can add some information in regard to the episode 'Mr Bean rides again' because the section when he is on the train is missing. Since everyother recap is there i thought it might be best to add it. I would do it but i wouldn't know what to write. You can refresh your memory by typing in Mr Bean train in youtube and you can see the part. Roadrunnerz45 08:14, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

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I am back on Wikipedia now after a month and a half's absence
My old computer died on me, and it took me this long to get a new one. Feels great to be back on Wikipedia.--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 18:16, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Jeremy Kyle
Hello there, I was just wondering why you sprotected Jeremy Kyle? The volume of vandalism isn't at all unmanageable, especially as it seems to be on a fair few watchlists. I reckon the sprotect device is best used sparingly, as a general rule. Yours, Jdcooper 15:10, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Ace, that is good to know actually. I sometimes worry that everyone else on here are middle aged highly-qualified academics who would look down upon me pretty hardcore for being a "normal kid". Apologies for miscontruing your housework anyway! Jdcooper 16:54, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah of course, I know that its a misconception, but I usually restrict myself to housework, sourcing, or at the most merges, because I don't really have wide-ranging or specific enough knowledge in most areas to contribute new material. That said, without housework the encyclopaedia would decline thoroughly in quality, so it takes all sorts. I love wikipedia essays, I read a few of yours as well, i find them a good and enjoyable de-stressing use of time. Props on the HSH reference in your name too. Jdcooper 17:07, 29 October 2007 (UTC)