User talk:His warrior

Previously, Issakar has been deleted from wikipedia because it either (A.) Did not site it's sources, or (B.) did not meet the criterion for notability. Issakar has now become more popular, and as such, we should get the opportunity to try to re-create it, they have FINALLY made appearances on the radio, and have had several discussions on various online radio-stations such as Word of Truth's Online Praise Cafe, 104.1 The Fish FM (Portland, Oregon), and last.fm. Also, their two hit songs on their newest album, Every Time It Rains, titled, Moonlight Serenade and Beauty of You, are now being featured on 105.9 Spirit FM In Spokane, WA. Also, I found these following results: Awards Won: (song) Come Away (Best Male Vocals in alternative rock) Feb 14, 2005, (song)One Million Songs (Best Male Vocals in Jazz Feb 21-28, 2005, Best lovesong overall Feb 21,2005) Chart Status: (song)Come Away #1,331 of 19,046 of all time in Alternative Rock, (song)Guilty #7,728 of 19,046 of all time in Alternative Rock If you could please take these statistics, and newest information into account and consider re-opening the Issakar article for creation/editing, it would be much appreciated. Please note that if needed, I can create the article on my user page, so that it can't be deleted, and then have one of the staff members tell me whether the article would stand a chance in the real world of Wikipedia. Please and thanks!

--Swayze (talk) 02:41, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Issakar
Hey there.

Sorry about having to delete the band article again; it's obvious you care about them, but they do not yet meet our criteria for inclusion in this encyclopedia. You might want to read up on reliable sources, which will also explain why the references you have added to the article were not adequate to establish verifiability: self-published sources, blogs, and myspace pages cannot be used since their content is not vetted and anyone could write anything there.

If you still think you can demonstrate the band has notability to be included, please work on a copy in your userspace, like User:His warrior/Issakar, where you'll be able to tweak it and have someone check it out for you without being deleted. In the meantime, the mainspace article has been protected to prevent recreation. &mdash; Coren (talk) 22:05, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

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The article Issakar Band has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group or service and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. NawlinWiki (talk) 03:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Issakar Band
If you read the top of this talk page, I site it's sources, it's credible, it's not advertising, because even Relient K and Hawk Nelson have pages on here. If it needs to be re-written to become an article, would you mind helping me please? Tell me what I need to do, other than reading the page, cuz it confuses me. Any help is appreciated!

--Swayze (talk) 03:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

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The article Issakar band has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This was done because the article, which appeared to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, did not indicate how or why the subject is notable, that is, why an article about that subject should be included in Wikipedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the notability of the subject may be deleted at any time. If you can indicate why the subject is really notable, you are free to re-create the article, making sure to cite any verifiable sources.

Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, and for specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for musicians, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. NawlinWiki (talk) 21:43, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes it is
Okay, look on my user page, where I have the rough draft saved. If you actually READ the discography section, it says that the band has gained notoriety (which is the SAME thing as notability), through 3 different radio stations, 2 local, and 1 online, so since I did this...it CANNOT be deleted.

Swayze (talk) 01:12, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

User:His warrior
A tag has been placed on your user page, User:His warrior, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person, and which is a violation of our policies regarding acceptable use of user pages: user pages are intended for active editors of Wikipedia to communicate with one another as part of the process of creating encyclopedic content, and should not be mistaken for free webhosting resources. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam, the guidelines on user pages, and, especially, our FAQ for businesses.

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Articles for deletion nomination of Sixteen Cities
I have nominated Sixteen Cities, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Sixteen Cities. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Ironholds (talk) 23:51, 25 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Regarding your edit ("rant", as you called it), I understand your frustration, but adding to that discussion almost three weeks after it was concluded is not the right venue. Regarding the article itself, the community consensus seems to be that the band is not notable enough for inclusion. The existence of other articles of questionable notability is not a reason to have kept this one. Perhaps you can find some assistance in understanding the guidelines at WikiProject Music. Also, it may well be that in time, this band will become notable. And, finally, if you disagree with the deletion of the article, you can open it for discussion at deletion review. (I should explain, though, that deletion review regards whether or not the discussion was properly closed as representing the consensus of the discussion and policies; it is not a place to reopen the discussion itself.) Also, if you have any questions, please feel free to address them to me directly. I'll be watching your talk page right here for a while. Frank  |  talk  15:28, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I also sympathize with your frustration, however I do not agree that the inclusion criteria are insufficiently specific or clear. In this particular case, it seems to me that the band is pretty clearly below the threshold for inclusion. It's always possible that there are better sources available which would better establish notability, however, such sources did not come up readily on a google search, and nobody brought them up during the discussion. Anyway, as a participant in that deletion discussion, I'd be happy to talk it over as well if you think that would be helpful. -Pete (talk) 15:45, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, well I guess I understand what you guys are talking about, however, would you mind if I showed you a very polite yet factual response that I wrote to one of the editors that deleted my article? It is kind of long, but it is not rude in any way, and I would really appreciate it if you guys would read it all. Please? Tell me if you would like me to post it on my talk page or one of yours. Swayze (talk) 16:15, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm happy to read it. -Pete (talk)


 * Was this an email message? Are you posting someone's response as well? If so, please be mindful of privacy issues. And finally, I would note that I am the only editor (admin) who deleted the article; the others expressed opinions in a discussion and I closed the discussion by noting that the WP:CONSENSUS was to delete it, which I then did. Frank  |  talk  16:40, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Sixteen Cities
I didn't actually delete the article - I nominated it for deletion. Bands with the slightest claim to notability can't be deleted under WP:CSD, but this one wasn't - it was sent to Articles for Deletion, and the discussion can be found here. The fact that they are writing an album is not a claim to notability - you will note, for example, that it is not found under WP:BAND, which on the subject of albums requires at least two releases on a major/important independent label. I think you'd agree that being in the process of writing their first release falls a long way below this standard.
 * "Has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician or ensemble itself and reliable." - it may be on daily rotation an independent christian online radio station, but that doesn't mean it's a notable radio station. You will note that WP:BAND covers radio stations independently at point 11, which requires a "major radio network" for radio play to be a factor. A single online station is not a "major radio network". "they are obviously getting up there in the music industry, and slowly but steadily becoming popular" - is not a factor in deciding notability. every band could at one point have been described as "steadily becoming popular" - the fact that they may be popular in the future is not a factor. See WP:CRYSTAL. http://www.jpgmag.com links me to a photographic/image magazine - not sure if that was your intent. New-Release Tuesday is not considered a reliable source because it is written by volunteers over the internet - any mug can post a review, it doesn't show a band is notable. For that same reason we don't consider Wikipedia, or other Wikis a reliable source.
 * "Has received non-trivial coverage in a reliable source of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country," - it requires non-trivial coverage in a reliable source of the part they played in the tour - otherwise I could take my band to Fyfe, Alabama and claim I deserve an article. There was some stuff on the Gospel tour, but it failed the "non-trivial" bit, as it discussed the band in very little detail, mainly along the lines of "then Sixteen Cities played, blasting away the songs. At 9:30 Dude and the Other Musicians came on, and...".
 * "Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability." - being the only band in a city doesn't really work there. Sixteen Cities would have to be the most noted representative of the local scene, or of a particular style. A good example I always use is At the Drive-In, the most important part of the El Paso scene and a band who shaped modern post-hardcore music. In any case you'd need to find reliable, independent sources showing that they are representative of a local style/scene.
 * "Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a compilation album, etc." - I'm not finding any evidence of this CD being notable, and nothing on Downbeat Sounds really. Simply piecing a compilation CD together with your mates and some local bands doesn't really count.
 * Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network." - see "major radio network". The local FM station of a city of 40,000 inhabitants is not a major network, nor a network in any stretch of the word. The guideline refers to something like Citadel Media, not a local FM station.
 * "Is cited in reliable sources as being influential in style, technique, repertory or teaching in a particular music genre." - their mentorship program itself isn't the activities of the band as a unit. In any case, the only source you've given is a blog (yes, it's a blog) and primary - it's run by The Chronologic Internship Program. The first part is "cited in reliable sources" - the program's website, hosted on blogspot, does not fulfil this requirement.
 * The radio singles would be fine, if they charted. Have they been placed on any charts anywhere? I know my favorite band (Pure Reason Revolution) initially only got through on charting singles.
 * In any case the article was deleted through AfD, so the only place you can really get this reviewed is Deletion Review. Give me a poke if you end up doing so, but note that the people there normally require evidence that the initial deletion was obviously wrong. I haven't seen that so far. Thanks, Ironholds (talk) 17:03, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, so I reviewed your message, and you appear to be correct, but I do think the administrators need to be one-hundred percent clear as you were in your message, especially in the WP:Band article. That was quite helpful to me, what you said. SO do you think I should just wait till they get another CD made under that label, because their singles haven't been on charts as of yet, but they probably will be in the future. Thanks for all your help. Swayze (talk) 17:26, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait until they get some interviews and the like with reliable sites, or their singles chart, or they release more albums, that sort of thing. Album releases are normally good for a few interviews, we can use those. Once something happens, bring it to me and if I think it passes WP:BAND I'll help you write the article myself and get it to a standard where it won't be deleted. Ironholds (talk) 17:29, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I think Ironholds' breakdown is very accurate and thorough. I'm glad this is helpful to you in understanding, and sorry if the initial discussion/decision did not provide enough information. It can be very time-consuming to write such a detailed breakdown, and you're right...we often don't go into that much detail. I'm glad this helped, and I will try in the future to be a little more specific in such discussions. -Pete (talk) 18:13, 19 August 2009 (UTC)