User talk:Hishamabdelkhalek

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March 2009
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Speedy deletion nomination of File:Hisham Abdelkhalek.jpg


A tag has been placed on File:Hisham Abdelkhalek.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F9 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the image appears to be a blatant copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted images or text borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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Possibly unfree File:Hisham Abdelkhalek.jpg
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Proposed deletion of Hesham Nazih
Hello, Hishamabdelkhalek. I wanted to let you know that I’m proposing an article that you started, Hesham Nazih, for deletion because it's a biography of a living person that lacks references. If you don't want Hesham Nazih to be deleted, please add a reference to the article.

If you don't understand this message, you can leave a note on my talk page.

Thanks, ubiquity (talk) 17:50, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Problems with upload of File:Hisham Abdel Khalek.jpg
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Disambiguation link notification for July 29
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September 2016
Please do not write or add to an article about yourself, as you apparently did at Hisham Abdel Khalek. Creating an autobiography is strongly discouraged – see our guideline on writing autobiographies. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for articles about living people, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later (see Wikipedians with articles). If you wish to add to an existing article about yourself, please propose the changes on its talk page. Please understand that this is an encyclopedia and not a personal web space or social networking site. If your article has already been deleted, please see: Why was my page deleted?, and if you feel the deletion was an error, please discuss it with the deleting administrator. Thank you. Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 16:29, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add soapboxing, promotional or advertising material to Wikipedia, as you did at Hisham Abdel Khalek, you may be blocked from editing. Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 17:14, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Your addition to Hisham Abdel Khalek has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images&mdash;you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 17:42, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you remove an Articles for deletion notice or a comment from an AfD discussion, as you did with this edit to Hisham Abdel Khalek. -- Gestrid (talk) 17:50, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Akhenaten (musical)


A tag has been placed on Akhenaten (musical) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be a clear copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from http://akhenatenthemusical.com/. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

If the external website or image belongs to you, and you want to allow Wikipedia to use the text or image — which means allowing other people to modify it — then you must verify that externally by one of the processes explained at Donating copyrighted materials. If you are not the owner of the external website or image but have permission from that owner, see Requesting copyright permission. You might want to look at Wikipedia's policies and guidelines for more details, or ask a question here.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 19:16, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Nomination of Hesham Nazih for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Hesham Nazih is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Hesham Nazih until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 19:18, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

October 2016
Please do not write or add to an article about yourself, as you apparently did at Hisham Abdel Khalek. Creating an autobiography is strongly discouraged – see our guideline on writing autobiographies. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for articles about living people, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later (see Wikipedians with articles). If you wish to add to an existing article about yourself, please propose the changes on its talk page. Please understand that this is an encyclopedia and not a personal web space or social networking site. If your article has already been deleted, please see: Why was my page deleted?, and if you feel the deletion was an error, please discuss it with the deleting administrator. Thank you. CAPTAIN RAJU ( ✉ ) 16:29, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not for writing about yourself
Welcome to Wikipedia, but it is not a place like Facebook or LinkedIn for people to write about themselves. It is a quite different sort of site, a project to build an encyclopedia, so it is selective about subjects for articles, and writing about oneself is strongly discouraged, for reasons explained at Wikipedia is not about YOU and Autobiography.

The links in the Welcome message at the top of this page will tell you more about Wikipedia. CAPTAIN RAJU ( ✉ ) 16:29, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Hisham Abdel Khalek


A tag has been placed on Hisham Abdel Khalek, requesting that it be deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under two or more of the criteria for speedy deletion, by which pages can be deleted at any time, without discussion. If the page meets any of these strictly-defined criteria, then it may be soon be deleted by an administrator. The reasons it has been tagged are:
 * It seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. (See section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion.) Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Business for more information.
 * It appears to be a clear copyright infringement of http://www.sofreakantastik.com. (See section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. If the external website belongs to you, and you want to allow Wikipedia to use the text — which means allowing other people to modify it — then you must verify that externally by one of the processes explained at Donating copyrighted materials. If you are not the owner of the external website but have permission from that owner, see Requesting copyright permission. However, even if you use one of these processes to release copyrighted material to Wikipedia, it still needs to comply with the other policies and guidelines to be eligible for inclusion. If you would like any assistance with this, you can ask a question at the help desk.
 * It appears to be about a person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), individual animal, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. (See section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion.) Such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 17:29, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

October 2016
Your addition to Hisham Abdel Khalek has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images&mdash;you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 19:14, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

I own all the copyrights of the photos and text and I give full authorisation for Wikipedia to use}} them as I am a public figure. Hisham Abdel Khalek (talk) 19:22, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
 * You need to provide proof that you own it. Also, because Wikipedia licenses everything (except some special cases like fair use) under the Creative Commons license, you're literally releasing everything so that anyone anywhere can use it, provided they cite you as the source.  That is, if you actually own the copyright.  —  Gestrid  ( talk ) 19:35, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

I am Hisham Abdel Khalek, and this photo is solo ownership of me as a public figure, director and producer. What proof you need Hisham Abdel Khalek (talk) 20:34, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Read all of Donating copyrighted materials to understand what you're doing. I'm going to bring  into this conversation, as they know a bit more about uploading images here than I do.  —  Gestrid  ( talk ) 21:02, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, The thing, I don't want to delete the page, as it was there for years, and when I tried to updated with all the recent details and photos, Zackmann asked for delete, I just want to be guided well how to make it on Wiki rules, since I am the artist concerned and I own all the information, photos, text about myself and my work, and it is not for personal promotional, So I am trying to make it correct, and you guys are free to adjust and edit it to make it to Wiki standards and I totally appreciate all your help here. Hisham Abdel Khalek (talk) 22:39, 7 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Hey, . I don't use email for normal Wikipedia business.  I (and most other people here) use it whenever we're discussing something private, such as something that needs to be hidden from public view.  (You wouldn't believe how much of that there is.)  Anyway, I wouldn't be the person to go to for help writing an article for two main reasons.  First, I don't have that kind of time at the moment.  Second, I don't have experience in writing articles from scratch.  I  would recommend going through the Articles for Creation process.  It allows you to write a draft of the article and, when you think it's ready, you can submit it for review by clicking the "Submit for review" button at the very top of the page.  An experienced reviewer will take a look at the article (this may take a while, as AFC usually has a large backlog) and will tell you if it's ready or not.  If it isn't, they'll tell you what you need to fix before you submit it again.  (You can submit your draft for review as many times as need be.)  If it is ready, they'll let you know and move it out of draft status to article status for you.  With your article as a draft, the only way it could get deleted is if it was a copyright violation (but don't quote me on that).  —  Gestrid  ( talk ) 02:18, 8 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia takes copyright seriously, even if you are the artist concerned. That said there's a general consensus, that if you are the primary subject of an article, you shouldn't write about yourself. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:04, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi thanks a lot for your help and support, will do what you asked for, All my best regards, Hisham Abdel Khalek (talk) 12:14, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi that's exactly what I am trying to do, and see who can write about me ... And again it is not for promotional reasons but I see and I know that Wikipedia is a source of information specially in my field like broadway musicals and also films and movies. Thanks again for all the information, I appreciate your help as well as  Hisham Abdel Khalek (talk) 12:18, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

File:Hesham Nazih.jpg
You uploaded, File:Hesham Nazih.jpg, where you either stated or implied that you had permission of a third party to upload it; or that evidence of such permission would be provided on request.

Wikipedia currently needs the permission to be explicit and proven at the time of upload.

Please read Requesting copyright permission, which advises on how to confirm the permission you obtained from a third party.

It is also advisable to ask the third-party what source attribution they desire, as opposed to marking the image as having been "sent personally".

I will in good faith add OTRS pending ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 12:22, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi again, Hesham Nazih, is the composer of my broadway musical and one of the terms in our contract that I am allowed to use his photo in any ways in all online and printed materials. Nazih is one of the top music composers in Egypt and he is very well known for his music in movies and tv shows. Also you can find several sites online using the same picture. So it is a public domain for use. Hope this can answer your question. All my best regards Hisham Abdel Khalek (talk) 12:26, 8 October 2016 (UTC)


 * You'd need to let the OTRS queue have the appropriate confirmation of those contract details :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:30, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Hisham Abdel Khalek (November 18)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Bradv was:

The comment the reviewer left was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


 * If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Hisham Abdel Khalek and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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Bradv 16:28, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

December 2016
Hello, I'm Oshwah. I noticed that in this edit to Draft:Hisham Abdel Khalek, you removed content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, the removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks.  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   13:16, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Oshwah, can you please help me in this article and get it approved, I will be so thankful for this, I have added a lot of new interviews of Hisham Abdel Khalek with BBC radio and Monte Carlo as well as press interviews during his presence in Cairo International Film Festival presenting his latest film there. I will be so thanks really. Hisham Abdel Khalek (talk) 13:26, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Hisham Abdel Khalek has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Hisham Abdel Khalek. Thanks! SwisterTwister  talk  18:53, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Hisham Abdel Khalek (January 6)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Cerebellum was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.


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 * You can also use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Cerebellum (talk) 20:53, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

File permission problem with File:Hesham Nazih.jpg
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File permission problem with File:Hisham Abdel Khalek - Salon du cinema.JPG
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Proposed deletion of File:Fatoush01.JPG


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Proposed deletion of File:Fatoush03.JPG


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Proposed deletion of File:Fatoush04.JPG


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Proposed deletion of File:Fatoush02.JPG


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