User talk:Historian777

Speedy deletion nomination of Christian Morecraft


A tag has been placed on Christian Morecraft requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article, which appears to be about a real person, individual animal(s), an organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag - if no such tag exists then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hangon tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. andy (talk) 12:35, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Article creation
I suggest you read the talk page for your creation above. Your response for keeping the page was confusing to say the least. Paralympiakos (talk) 18:30, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Listen, just to keep away from that talk page since it'll be gone soon, I think it's great that you're showing the initiative to create articles. It's just that neither of them are notable. Have a read of WP:MMANOT that I directed you to. Just a heads up for future article creation. We don't add nicknames into their article names. That's for the main text instead.


 * If you should find a fighter you ever want to create a page for again, copy the template for Bryan Baker that I created. I'm sure that you can see the difference in layout/presentation and overall quality. If you have any questions, then just ask. Good luck in the future. Paralympiakos (talk) 19:14, 8 June 2010 (UTC)r

I wanted you to know that your assertions on the talk page of the above-captioned article were indeed read and noted. You said: "I expect that if this page is deleted, it will probably be started by someone else after UFC 117 and its validity won't be questioned." and I think that is very probably the case. According to WP:ATHLETE, Mr. Morecraft hasn't yet quite met the standard because he has yet to have a professional fight. (We have a concept called "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball" that covers the potential assertion that Morecraft will attain that status after UFC 117. It's highly probable, but like all future events not guaranteed.)  If, after UFC 117, you would like to retrieve the content of this article and repost it, I would be happy to help you; just leave me a note (by clicking on the word "talk" after my name). Accounting4Taste: talk 21:49, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I am informed that I've made a mistake (my own talk page contains the relevant conversation). WP:ATHLETE contains a provision that specific sports may have specific criteria for notability; I was not aware of WP:MMANOT, to which I recommend you, which says that three professional fights is the MMA standard.  I apologize for misleading you.  If you have any questions about Wikipedia policy, feel free to leave me a note and I'll do my best to help you.  Accounting4Taste: talk 22:22, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

^Historian, just in case you are confused by A4Ts statement that was: "which says that three professional fights is the MMA standard" I'll clarify. As you know (and have mentioned), Morecraft has 6 pro fights. However, none of them are against notable opponents or for notable organisations. This is the key quality of WP:MMANOT. Fighters need to have about 3 or more fights against notable fighters or the organisations on the page. Best of luck. Paralympiakos (talk) 22:32, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * User:Paralympiakos knows much more than I do about this topic; I'm sure both of us will help you if we can, but he's correct about the details of the policy. Accounting4Taste: talk 00:03, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

All right, well, you say neither is notable but I confidently state that you will be hard pressed to find any serious MMA enthusiast who knows anything about MMA history that does not know Ranger Stott. As for Morecraft, if you say he's not notable then so be it. Though with people making pages for themselves and their friends on here, I was a bit surprised how quickly it was earmarked for speedy deletion. Anyway, I'm not particularly fussed either way. I tried to add a bit of info to the commons and I guess now wasn't the time. Can't say I'm in a rush to make any pages after being so deterred (which I presume you will consider to be a positive thing) but if I do in the future I'll try to adhere more strictly to the guidelines, though I did attempt to do so previously. Historian777 (talk) 07:03, 10 June 2010 (UTC) Historian777