User talk:HistorianSamale

Walashma
Actually there's a lot of proof that the Walashma trace back to Ismail Al-Jaberti several sources from their era clearly trace them back to Isma'il Al-Jaberti. And the Walashama/ Wilinwili are not actually a dead dynasty- their descendants are very much alive and are "Ogaden Darod". I can give you the contact details of one of 'em. I'll also track down the accounts of their genealogy that match the genealogy given by their descendants for example. By your name I can sense that you're a "Pan-Somali" of some sort? A nationalist maybe? Don't worry brother, I don't care for clans at all either. We are a very genetically homogeneous/ close knit ethnic group 1 But in the future please do go to a talk page and try and discuss this with someone instead of assuming that there's some sort of clan bias going on. The modern Ogaden have claimed the Wilinwili for some time. Walashma is not their name at all- it comes from "Umar 'Wali Asma' (Lord of the Awash- where the dynasty began) Dunyahuz" and his nickname in history was in fact "Wilinwili", hence his descendants prefer the name. We're all Somalis here, lets be civil.

But just to refute your "there is no proof" statement:

"However, the semi-legendary apologetic History of the Walasma' asserts that ʿUmar ibn-Dunya-hawz had as a progenitor Caliph ʿAlī's son al-Hasan.[4] The claim to Akīl ibn Abī Tālib is based on the tradition that their ancestor Ismaʿīl Jaberti is the same man as Sharaf-ad-Din Ismaʿīl ibn Ibrahim al-Jaberti al-Aqeeli, a famous Sufi theologian of the Qadiriyyah order who was buried in Zabid, Yemen in 1403 who traces an Aqeeli nisba."

Darod clan:

"Al-Masudi wrote about the specific Arabian families and tribes that lived in Jabarta and Zeila in his 9th century book Aqeeliyoon. This book sheds light on one individual, a Sufi Sheikh of the Qadiriyyah order called Isma'il ibn Ibrahim al-Jabarti, who fathered several children, one of which was named Abdirahman."

Same famous Sufi Sheikh of the Qadiriyah order who birthed "Abdirahman"- the ancestor of all Darods and these guys too and the only descendant of Ismail or Aqeeli to have ever supposedly come to the Horn. Now, genetically speaking- the Arabian origins of all Somalis are indeed "fake" (nor were the Solomons descendants of Solomon or Beta Israels don't originally come from Israel as you may know) but you get my drift.

The only Somalis in the Horn region to trace descent to him via their line through Isma'il are the Darod, not any other "clan" (again, it grieves me to even speak of clans like they truly matter but they are Darod clan members...). The only other people who seem to tie themselves to Jaberti in the Horn are the Jabarti people who are essentially Muslim Tigrinyas- and have jack to do with these guys. Awale-Abdi (talk) 01:03, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Here's a genealogy taken down by Lewis via an old an inaccurate Harari record. It seems to infer that the "Barkhadle" or "Barkanti" (name can go both ways) in the line of the dynasty is the same saint known as Aw Barkhadle who is credited with the establishing of the Somali-Arabic writing script (Wadad's writing) somewhat utilized in the middle ages. However Yusuf bin Ahmad al-Kawneyn whom they are mistakenly thought to be descended from lived during the 13th century (1200s) while the founding of the Wilinwili line is supposed to have started out in 1285 AD (but the founder was was born long before that) with Umar Dunyahuz (founder) tracing himself back to "Barkhadle" (who is in truth named Yusuf ibn Barkhadle (not "Aw" Barkhadle) )by about five generations. Now a generation is relatively 25 to 32 or so years as you may know... 25 * 5= 125 years, 32 * 5= 160 years , seems like conjecture until you look into the actual historical records on Yusuf bin Ahmad Al-Kawneyn and realize that he never had children... It is chronologically and factually impossible for them to be his descendants (everything Lewis notes after the great saint is invalid hence). And that one genealogy is the only one that ties them to the old saint, all the others just tie them to Aqeel Ibn Abi Talib and Ismai'l Al-Jaberti & do not consider them to be descended from Yusuf Al-Kawneyn.

(Btw, without this ancestor- if you remove their Darod origins then you're essentially saying they weren't Somalis because there's no proof beyond their genealogy and guess work based on the extraction of their soldiers and the reach of their rule that they were Somalis (much of that other than their abtirsi/ genealogy is just conjecture and guess work and cannot prove that they're Somalis. However it is clear that they were native to the Horn (source though that source uses the Saint to attest their native origins and why they proved more successful than an actual Arabian dynasty that was present in the Horn and were seemingly not finding it easy to consolidate their rule due to their foreign origins) ). Also, Yusuf the saint does not trace back to Aqeel but Ali (this source is semi-legendary and as I showed you- impossible), all other sources claim that they said they came from Aqeel Ibn Abi Talib via the line I've been on about ( source - the source mentions the "legendary" invalid nature of the "Apologetic history of the Walashma"- the only source to ever claim a non-Aqeeli origin)

The genealogy of the descendants of the dynasty who live today, they trace back to the actual Barkhadle (where the mistake of assuming he was the great saint was made) correctly and from there continue on to the Aqeel and Isma'il trace:

'''Wali Asma Omar "Wilinwili" DunyoHuz Ahmed Mahammad Hamid Yusuf Barkhadle (or Barkanti)''' Saad Muddan Muqabul Abdirahman (Ogaden) Absame Kumade Mahamed Abdirahman (Darod) Isma'il Jaberti

It is a well-known tid bit in history that the line never just died but just became weak and was sort of herded around by Ahmed Ibn Ibrahim & Nur Ibn Mujahid who took over their territories and sultanates to further their "Jihad" against the Abyssinians. ( source )

Simply email the modern descendants (they're well established and will clear any questions you may have up- saad2din@gmail.com). Again... I slightly get your "anti-tribalism" if that's why you removed their clan genealogy but there is ample to clear proof of their origins. Next time, like I said; simply broach a discussion with whomever made the edits you disliked or start a discussion on the talk page. I'll be reverting back what you edited... Awale-Abdi (talk) 11:44, 9 September 2014 (UTC)