User talk:Historibuph

November 2019
Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit you made to Claremont McKenna College ‎, did not appear constructive. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use the sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. ''Your edit summary is completely inappropriate. The removal of your edit was not incorrect, it was not hypocritical, and it was not censorship. When you added the material in 2016 you linked it to a non-existent article, so we did not have the link as you claimed, and user:Davey2010 immediately (one minute after your second edit) removed it. Yes we have an article about the person that confirms that he attended, but you did not link to it and I can understand why an unsourced, unlinked claim that a serial killer was on faculty was immediately removed. It's unfortunate that you were not left a warning message at the time, but I'm sure it was  a good faith edit. And it appears that while Kraft was a student there, he was not on faculty as you claimed at the time, and as you claimed again this time. I've fixed it for you, but perhaps you should look to your own errors rather than coming back three years later and complaining about censorship and hypocritical editing.'' Meters (talk) 05:58, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Randy Kraft
I thought I linked the article on both occasions, I changed the hyperlink to his name (maybe that’s where I messed up). But considering my edit was “corrected” a mere one minute after I made it, I’m unsurprised that this occurred. A couple of things: the category I edited was not entitled “faculty” instead it is named “notable alumni AND faculty”; as well, I’m sure Randy Kraft is likely an embarrassing alumnus for Claremont Men’s College, or they may be ashamed of him, but do they have a special dispensation allowing them to avoid including embarrassing information about their institution? Or is that just like a Wikipedia thing, where an institution gets to pick and choose what information they want shared, regardless of its accuracy?; On Randy Kraft’s own page there is an entire category related to his time at Claremont Men’s College. If it’s available on his page, then I’m not sure why the College is exempt from having a link to the same information available on theirs. Anyway, here is the link to his page-proof that I know it exists, and that it clearly pays tribute to Claremont Men’s College-if you decide to look for yourself you’ll notice the category entitled “Claremont Men’s College.” I’m not sure how else I can read this, other than an institution or corporation wanting to avoid embarrassing information, and Wikipedia obliging them by allowing accurate information to be erased from their page. I’m probably talking in circles here, but I felt like I had to respond, especially to the false charge that the category I edited was entitled “faculty” rather than “notable alumni and faculty.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Kraft Historibuph (talk) 06:35, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * You added a person with an invalid link and a claim that he was a serial killer. user:Davey2010 was completely justified in immediately removing that edit. In fact, under WP:BLP, the first editor to notice that edit was required to remove it. It is a personal attack to claim that he was making a hypocritical edit and censoring or whitewashing the article. And where is your evidence that he has a WP:COI and is making his edit for the university?
 * And yes, you did claim that he was a faculty member, rather than a student. Here's the article as you left it after your addition: You added him in the faculty section.
 * And yes, you did claim that he was a faculty member, rather than a student when you restored the edit three years later. Here's the way you left the article   You again added him in the faculty section.
 * You made two mistakes when you made the edit three years ago, and you repeated one of them when you restored the edit this time. Even when I pointed out the errors you failed to see them. If you had bothered to even look at the article after your edit three years ago you would have immediately seen the problems. Repeating yourself three years later and making personal attacks while doing so is not acceptable. This is not censorship. It's not hypocritical editing. It's not the College white washing the article. You made a mistake, and the editor who rightly removed the claim didn't notice. That's all. Meters (talk) 04:55, 12 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Meters is absolutely correct in everything they've just said,
 * A) Your edit 3 years ago came off as trolling - Many students vandalise their schools article and many make the sort of edit you made so I obviously assumed this was another troll,
 * )B I don't work for this (or any) school and there's certainly no censorship going on here,
 * I find it rather bizarre you have this unhealthy obsession with this guy,
 * I have mixed feelings on it being added but I'm happy with whatever the community chhose. Thanks,. – Davey 2010 Talk 09:29, 12 December 2019 (UTC)