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can you prove that maina is lesbian? I don't think so, because nowhere is it said — Preceding unsigned comment added by True meowmeow (talk • contribs) 15:41, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you for the notice. I fundamentally disagree with the nomination for deletion and I support keeping the article. Historyday01 (talk) 05:51, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

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Good to know. I'm not surprised by such sanctions. To be honest, I don't edit that many BLP pages, but I'll keep these in mind.--Historyday01 (talk) 18:23, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

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Good job!
Hey Historyday01! I just wanted to say, excellent work with the LGBTQ representation in animated web series article! Articles/sections on LGBTQ+ representation are so important, and it's awesome to see someone creating and adding to them!-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)  22:01, 1 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much for saying that! I've been catching grief from some users who are annoyed with the pages (that one and the three others: Cartoon Network and LGBTQ representation, Netflix and LGBTQ representation in animation, LGBTQ representation in adult animation) themselves, which has been stressing me out a bit, so I'm really glad to hear that. The previous organization was ok, but I think this new format is much better. I'll keep adding to the pages as much as I can, adding more all the time. --Historyday01 (talk) 22:10, 1 January 2021 (UTC)


 * What are folks saying? Is it some "original research" BS? I don't think there's really anything wrong with the pages you're creating, and I think they're super important if we want Wikipedia to start looking at marginalized communities/groups. If anyone sasses you, feel free to send me a note. I'd be more than happy to see if I can help make the situation better.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)  18:49, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Good question. So, it was one user (Crossroads) saying I was violating WP:UNDUE for adding some sections to certain articles... and I ended up removing most of those in order to address their concerns. Anyway, it got a little heated, unfortunately, and it was mostly a back-and-forth with this one user, Kingsif, who declared that he is "concerned with the new articles created" and said to "burn it all," claiming that "the information just already exists in a better form on Wikipedia" (no it doesn't) and asked if I had created a character list, not realizing that such lists already exist! The dumpster fire of a discussion, as it has become, is available here. Since the concerns of Crossroads have been addressed, Kingsif only remains, and he claimed on his talk page that "people have legitimate concerns" but I'm not sure who those "people" are other than himself...as no one has raised those concerns to me. Also, he said on the WikiProject LGBT studies talk page (in a section I've since reversed) that I'm "wrong" because "multiple editors have issues with your edits." Yeah, I don't think so. And who are these "multiple editors"? Yeah, so the whole thing is a bit of a mess, but when the dust settled, neither Crossroads nor Kingsif ended up proposing any changes on the WikiProject pages or the talk pages of the specific articles. It just seems absurd to say "burn it all" when you don't offer any alternative to that. Honestly, I don't think anything will come of it at this point. Historyday01 (talk) 19:47, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Oh goodness. God forbid you try to increase info about LGBTQ+ coverage on the site. I think pages like this are excellent contributions to Wikipedia, and sorely needed ones at that. For so long this site has focused on only what straight white dudes create or think is important. Increasing our coverage to include topic about LGBTQ+ folks or POCs, etc. is critical to making this site robust and more inclusive. Anyway, I hope that these sort of interactions don't deter you from more contributions. I know that some editors see major changes on pages that they worked on and immediately assume the worst, which is a major bummer. Also, claims of "undue weight" and "original research" often get flung around when someone creates a broader 'topic' pages (e.g., "Topic X in Subject Y"). I get the concern, as editors are kind of creating a narrative with their contributions, but that's true for literally every Wikipedia article, too. I'm kind of rambling now, haha. I'm just tired of nitpicky exlusionist BS that exacerbates the site's coverage biases.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)  20:55, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * @ Gen. Quon , thanks so much for saying that. I know your comment caused some more drama from Kingsif, but I could care less, honestly. You are right that for a long time "this site has focused on only what straight white dudes create or think is important" and increasing coverage to include topics "about LGBTQ+ folks or POCs, etc. is critical to making this site robust and more inclusive." I can assure you here now that these interactions will NOT deter me from more contributions. I agree with you that "some editors see major changes on pages that they worked on and immediately assume the worst," and I have have been prone to that at times, but I'm trying better to follow the assuming good faith idea, although at times people make awful contributions. You are right that claims of "undue weight" and "original research" get "flung around when someone creates a broader 'topic' pages." Like you, I get the concern around it, but it is undoubtedly "true for literally every Wikipedia article," and I am also "tired of nitpicky exlusionist BS that exacerbates the site's coverage biases," as you put it. --Historyday01 (talk) 23:05, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * FWIW, I agree with the original post. I think that the work you are doing is important and has been ignored for too long. There are some minor prose issues that I see, but that's normal, and I would tidy them up if I had the time. Certainly the writing is more engaging than most articles here. You may take inspiration from the deftly written Phineas Gage article. Thanks for your contributions, I hope I see more. Urve (talk) 21:37, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Having fun shit talking users here without good reason and without alerting them? That's not cool, especially specifically naming us. Civility warning. Kingsif (talk) 22:41, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * who deserves to see this shit, too. Kingsif (talk) 22:42, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * @Urve, thanks for saying that. Kingsif, I don't even know what to say to you, about "shit talking users here without good reason and without alerting them." Anyone could see the discussion if they wanted. If I could send a private message, I would have, but I felt that a talk page seemed appropriate. I don't care if you don't find it "cool" and grumble about a "civility warning." In my above post, I never called you any names or anything, I just told it from my perspective. I'm sorry if that upset you or annoyed you, as you declared I would be in posts yesterday. I'm not taking back my words this time.Historyday01 (talk) 23:19, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I so wanted to support you (no, really) because of how passionate you seem. But how do you not see that explicitly naming other editors, but not pinging them, to complain about them to someone else is wrong? Without any provocation, you started complaining. Without any reason, you started complaining. Without giving any chance to those you decided to complain about to tell their side of the story. It's an issue. You can't do that and still be collaborative. If you have issues with users, either tell those users, or keep it to the thread where the concern is. Anything else goes against Wikipedia civility guidelines. Do you see other talkpages full of random complaints about run-ins with users they disagree with? NO! Kingsif (talk) 23:07, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I didn't think naming you was necessary, as Gen Quon could easily go to the original discussions. Its like on Twitter, where I may, occasionally, talk about someone but not mention them directly so that their notifications are not full of interactions with others. I don't see a problem with complaining to be honest. Your perspective is clear enough from the WikiProject. You don't need to tone police me, and declare that I'm not letting you tell your side "of the story." That's not true, as your side is on that WikiProject post already! The talk page is my space, just as your talk page is your space. You should respect that. The only users I have a concern with is those who vandalize or mess up pages which I manage. I don't really have an issue with you and I would be open to collaboration, but you seem to be closed to that. What's the issue with commiserating with friends? You have your friends on here and I have mine. I get what you are trying to say, but that's not how it is. This talk page used to be full with some complaints from people, as you can see from the history of the page itself, but I removed their comments (and my own responses to them), in order to allow space for others to speak. Historyday01 (talk) 23:15, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Let's go through this, since there is a problem with just about every statement you've made: I didn't think naming you was necessary - you did name us, but you didn't ping us. If you name users, you should also ping them so that they know where they are being discussed. This is at least a courtesy on Wikipedia but I'm pretty sure it's an actual guideline. I don't see a problem with complaining to be honest - it's rude. It doesn't add anything to the encyclopedia. It gives other users a negative opinion of people they haven't interacted with. It doesn't resolve anything: if you have issues with a user, tell them, don't spew shit about them to others. You don't need to tone police me - evidently someone does since you're still being uncivil and acting superior about it. declare that I'm not letting you tell your side "of the story." That's not true, as your side is on that WikiProject post already - no, our discussion already exists. Note: it exists elsewhere, not here, so the context isn't immediately available. But more precisely: you are not simply quoting above, you are giving your view on how you were treated and playing the victim. You did not allow others to equally tell their experience, did you? The talk page is my space, just as your talk page is your space. You should respect that - I will when you don't use your talkpage to shit on me. The only users I have a concern with is those who vandalize or mess up pages which I manage. - how about you read WP:OWN again. You don't manage any pages. What's the issue with commiserating with friends? You have your friends on here and I have mine. - it's rude. I don't go to my "friends" talkpages when I have a run-in with a problematic editor. Nor do they. Nor does anyone except you and your "friends" apparently. This talk page used to be full with some complaints from people, as you can see from the history of the page itself - complaints and criticisms about your editing are different things. Maybe you should learn that. I removed their comments (and my own responses to them), in order to allow space for others to speak - have you heard of archiving? I think you know now that just removing comments and threads is wrong. Kingsif (talk) 23:42, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, @User:Crossroads, if I was you, I'd avoid this dumpster fire, just a suggestion. I'm willing to talk to you on the WikiProject and would prefer to talk you there about the merits of the article than the stuff here. Historyday01 (talk) 23:19, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * What you keep doing - at the LGBT project telling editors not to read the TV discussion, and here telling Crossroads not to read your comments about them - is also inappropriate. Let people choose to read what they want, not demand they only read what you want them to and discuss what you want them to and only do it at talkpages that you want them to. You have zero control over anyone else, and you need to stop acting like you do. Kingsif (talk) 23:28, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Kingsif, oh Kingsif, I am not demanding that Crossroads not read this discussion, I am recommending it. If they want to read it, that's their choice. Of course, you are right that I do not "have zero control over anyone else." I definitely don't have control over you (as made clear from your comments), and I certainly don't have control over Crossroads. If I could reverse time, I never would have posted about the pages I created on the LGBT studies WikiProject and would have chosen, better, the pages I had added LGBTQ sections too, as to avoid accusations of undue balance. However, I can't reverse time, so we are where are right now. Historyday01 (talk) 23:32, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Are you mocking me? Kingsif (talk) 23:42, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * No, I am not mocking you, not at all. I'm sorry if you saw it that way. I stand by not pinging you and I stand by complaining. I'm not acting "uncivil" or superior. Not in the slightest. The fact that it exists elsewhere does matter and I stand by what I said in that regard as well. You are having your chance to speak NOW, so you should be glad about that. In terms of the mention of the talk page, I stand by that. I guess you like to talk shit about me, apparently. Oh well. When I say "manage" I mean be a steward of. Of course, I do not own the pages, I know that. Sorry if I'm rude? I didn't call you any names. In terms of "complaints and criticisms" about my editing, I would say what you have pointed out falls into the category of complaints rather than criticisms, but whatever. And yeah, I know what archiving is, I studied it in grad school, and I KNOW that archives do not and can not save everything. I am curating this page just as an archivist curates their collections. Its completely and totally justified. Historyday01 (talk) 23:52, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Your diatribe at the TV talk is such condescending drivel I want nothing to do with you. You're still being a dick. You say in this response above I'm not acting "uncivil" or superior. Not in the slightest. and then go on to say You are having your chance to speak NOW, so you should be glad about that. - acting so superior. Are you unable to see your own hypocrisy? Get off your high horse. I stand by not pinging you, you think you can just break Wikipedia conventions because you enjoy trash-talking. As for you archiving, obviously I meant archiving your talkpage, which you've since set up. So you don't delete things, they get archived to a user page on Wikipedia. But I'm done, if I see you being so dickish to other editors I'll just admin report it like any problematic editor. P.S. You can say shit like "you keep calling me uncivil but you're uncivil" to me all you want, it doesn't make it true. You have a shit attitude that looked to be improving but I won't stand for how you've again started talking at me like an idiot and think it's perfectly fine to create a little corner for yourself and your internet buddies to shit on other users. Kingsif (talk) 01:58, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

LGBT Cartoon characters
Hey, I don't know if you received it, but I asked a question on my talk page. I was worried that you didn't read it. Annalisa10 (talk) 23:32, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, I haven't seen it yet. I'll take a look shortly.--Historyday01 (talk) 01:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Hey, I Wanted to ask something about LGBT videogame characters instead now: should Kirby be added on the list as Non-Binary or something like that? Because take a look at this reference. Annalisa10 (talk) 13:37, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Vegetarian characters in fiction
Hi, I checked out Vegetarian characters in fiction and I think you've done a great job with it!★Trekker (talk) 17:09, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm really glad to hear that. I was surprised to find as much as I did, actually. --Historyday01 (talk) 17:45, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm very happy you decided to be inspired by my comment on the AFD, even if we disagreed there on the topic of the list.★Trekker (talk) 22:48, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I thought about it after the AFD and put it aside for a while, but then decided to finish the page and get it out there.--Historyday01 (talk) 23:08, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Polyamory "Difficulties" and "Criticism" sections
Hi. Yes, so what I was saying is that the section labeled "Difficulties" used to be "Criticism" and and used to be at the bottom where the current Criticism section is. I didn't make this change, but I didn't contest it because it didn't seem too unreasonable and sections named "Criticism" have a bad reputation on Wikipedia. That said, I think they have their place. Now, I'm not necessarily advocating strongly for anything being anywhere necessarily, but I wanted to make you aware of the origin. The contents of these two sections seem to encompass several different subjects, and I'd like to reach a consensus on how best to organize them. If you like, I will start a new thread on the talk page.Legitimus (talk) 17:25, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Good to know. And yes, that would be fine to have a thread on the talk page, sure. --Historyday01 (talk) 17:28, 28 December 2020 (UTC)