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A real gem
Sure, its my pleasure! I really love working on those articles. --Historyday01 (talk) 19:24, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

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Thanks again, and happy editing! Doric Loon (talk) 17:51, 27 July 2021 (UTC) Great! I'm so glad to hear that. If you wouldn't mind looking at Draft:Vivienne Medrano, I would appreciate that. It got rejected back in April, so its been in a bit of limbo since then, unfortunately. Historyday01 (talk) 18:46, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you
Aw shucks, thanks! Speaking of anime and manga, have you seen The Aquatope on White Sand, Princess Connect! Re:Dive, The Owl House, Star Trek: Lower Decks, Helluva Boss, or My Next Life as a Villainess: All Routes Lead to Doom!? Those are all are airing now (apart from Princess Connect! Re:Dive and Lower Decks which are coming soon with new seasons) with some LGBTQ themes. Well, the first one is only implied, but it seems to be leaning in the yuri direction. Whether it actually ends that way, I don't know, but I hope it does! I hope the same for Kageki Shojo!! too, but I don't have my hopes up too much for that one, as I was a bit disappointed by Otherside Picnic. I have heard about Invincible, High-Rise Invasion, Onyx Equinox, and My Pride: The Series, along with a bunch of indie series with LGBTQ characters, although they probably don't have enough notability to have their own pages, yet (or maybe ever?) --Historyday01 (talk) 23:29, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Nah, I don't get to watch a lot of new TV shows anymore, I try to save my limited vision for my most favorite shows. I am familiar with those shows and can always just listen if I have to, and still be able to follow along with the plot, since I know the characters and all. There are just so many things you take for granted when you can see, like driving, OMG, I had to give up driving a few months back, and that is killing me, having to rely on neighbors, friends and the OATS bus. Recently, I did get a service animal, Billy Joe, so that has cheered me up, at least I can go walking now without wandering around like an idiot. Isaidnoway (talk) 07:08, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * That's fair. You are right, there are so many things you take for granted when you can see, I'll agree with you there. Glad to hear that you got a new service animal too. As for me, I'll probably be relying more on public transit as right now I'm doing my job remotely thanks to the pandemic. And the number of shows I'm watching will eventually decrease to a trickle, bit by bit, as I don't want to overwhelm myself with watching too much, as I've done in the past. So, I'm working on that. Historyday01 (talk) 15:45, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * The other image is better, so I'm gonna let this expire. --Historyday01 (talk) 18:44, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Hugo and Djali in The Hunchback of Notre Dame
You asked for sources but I had a hard time to add them as I am not used to the functionality. Here is one: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/secret-not-secret-gay-disney-characters/hugo/

https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Djali "As Esmeralda refers to Djali as a "he", Hugo's crush on the goat is obviously a homosexual relationship, and Hugo's gestures seem to imply that he is, in fact, gay (or alternately, mistakes Djali for a female)."

Of course, there's the best source possible: the movie itself. :)

Thanks for your help!
 * The first one is a better source than the second one, but its just that the LGBTQ pages on here have a history of people adding stuff and not adding sources, so I've been trying to limit that whenever possible. Historyday01 (talk) 01:36, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

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Noelle Stevenson/Molly Ostertag pages
Hi! I noticed your revisions— it was the overly-specific details regarding the show that I took issue with, so I'm more than okay with how you reworded that info. I'm writing this on your talk page because I didn't want to address it and make a big fuss over in the edit history area of their pages :) Dog Starkiller (talk) 19:00, 27 August 2021 (U:TC)
 * Oh good. Half of the time people end up writing on this talk page and being annoyed with some thing I've done or another, so its great to see someone having a more positive comment, so thanks for that! --Historyday01 (talk) 03:04, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Copyright problem on List of fictional trans characters
Content you added to the above article appears to have been copied from https://www.cbr.com/80s-sci-fi-anime-dirty-pair-transgender, which is not released under a compatible license. Copying text directly from a source is a violation of Wikipedia's copyright policy. Unfortunately, for copyright reasons, the content had to be removed. Content you add to Wikipedia should be written in your own words. Please let me know if you have any questions. — Diannaa (talk) 14:01, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Uh huh. Now that it has been stricken... who knows what it originally said! I guess that character will just be lost to history. Thanks a lot. If you are so concerned about copyright, @Diannaa, then you write the entry yourself and add it. Users like you always end up creating problems for other people. --Historyday01 (talk) 14:12, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Historyday01, I encourage you to rethink your attitude toward copyvio issues. The problems are so prolific that demanding that editors/admins who do copyvio work take on the additional task of proper paraphrase would be untenable. For this specific issue, you only made the edit a day or so ago, and the article is clearly about the character Joanna from Dirty Pair. If you're sour on the subject, I'd be happy to take a look at adding the character back into the article. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 14:42, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, then. You don't need to pile on my case. I know which character it is on, obviously, I just wish the content had been reversed or removed rather than stricken from the article. Its just annoying. Historyday01 (talk) 14:51, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry. I really didn't mean to pile on. It's so hard with written communication, but the spirit I intended was: "I know for a fact that Diannaa is a stellar editor/admin working tirelessly on important copyvio issues. I also know for a fact that Historyday01 is a stellar editor working tirelessly on underwritten gender and sexuality in popular media articles. I sure wish there were a way to de-escalate the brief flare-up in tension between these two excellent editors." Firefangledfeathers (talk) 15:01, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Firefangledfeathers, I admit I could have said it a different way, but I just found it annoying. I guess I am just on edge when someone basically challenged the whole List of lesbian characters in anime page, from my perspective, pretty recently (which is why I stepped back from editing/updating that page for a while). But, yes I get, and understand why Diannaa is concerned about copyright violations. It makes total sense. Historyday01 (talk) 15:07, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Oof, the history of that page looks rough. Thanks for the reasonable discussion. My apologies again for piling on; I'm doing some thinking on how to approach similar issues in the future (or just stay out of them). Firefangledfeathers (talk) 15:12, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it is rough. I decided to basically do an update of EVERY single entry on the list of LGBT characters in animated series, then come back to the page with lesbian characters in anime at that point... but, of course that takes time. Sure, its my pleasure. Historyday01 (talk) 15:14, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

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AfC notification: Draft:Vivienne Medrano has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Vivienne Medrano. Thanks! Robert McClenon (talk) 15:49, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I thought that if I submitted it again, the result would be different, but apparently I was wrong. I should have just created the page instead of going through this gatekeeping process. Something to learn for the future. I hope you are happy, @Robert McClenon that all sorts of content was removed, because that's because of your comment. I see no point in going to the Teahouse and your threat warning that it "may be nominated for deletion, or a topic-ban may even be requested against further submission by the responsible editor." That really is uncalled for. And to assume that most are "low-quality sources" is faulty as well. I would recommend you actually look at the submission, after my recent edits, and re-assess at that point. If it gets rejected ultimately, it reinforces my belief to never go through this process again when creating articles, as it is bureaucratic and makes you depressed after rejections. --Historyday01 (talk) 16:32, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Historyday, that remark by Robert McClenon, who is one of the uses who works the hardest on drafts and submissions, is simply not a "threat". McClenon is not an administrator and cannot delete things, but even if they were, it's not a threat but a logical outcome. "I hope you are happy" is a toxic passive-aggressive comment, and I hope you will refrain from using those--it is also a basic violation of WP:AGF. Please consider this a warning. I actually came here because I saw this edit, and the comments directed at specific users caught my attention: doing that in edit summaries, which are quickly visible to anyone who looks at the history, is really frowned upon. Again this is an unwarranted sneer at McClennon; your article, your job--McClennon is giving you advice to the best of their ability. I don't care about User:CommanderWaterford because he got himself banned months ago. So pleas reconsider this kind of approach. We are all volunteers here, and we are all (well, most of us--not that Commander, obviously) here to improve the project. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 17:05, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Drmies, there's no need for a warning. What McClennon wrote appeared to have a negative tone, at the time, which is partially why I responded the way I did. I can admit that "threat" was the wrong word and "warning" is a better word. I'm not going to pull back any of my comments in response to McClennon, whether on here or in the edits on the draft page, as they made sense at the time, and were logical when I wrote them. I can't go back in time and tell myself to say something different. Time travel isn't possible and even if it was, I wouldn't waste it on some Wikipedia comments. I do wish McClennon had made their comments on my talk page first, so I could make revisions, rather than immediately jumping in and responding to the submission, as it puts the whole thing in jeopardy even though edits/changes have been made since their comment. That would have been more helpful and appreciated. Unfortunately, they did not do that. Otherwise, I am glad that CommanderWaterford got banned for edits and style not "in accordance with our policies and guidelines," as it said on Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents like "serious copyright violations, brusqueness and rudeness, a lack of good faith, and more." Historyday01 (talk) 17:59, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

== Reversals on Summer Camp Island, Adventure Time‎, Steven Universe, Craig of the Creek, History of LGBT characters in animation, and History of LGBT characters in animation: 2010s pages ==

@User:EvergreenFir, I'm just posting this to get out in front of this before it becomes an edit war or something. So, please go here before doing any reversals of content. I really don't want an edit war. My recent edits of adding a summary of the The Hollywood Reporter's "Hollywood Remixed" podcast on the pages above was done purposely. I thought it was interesting and relevant enough. I didn't just add it randomly. I will say that I am willing to accept the reversal of the addition to the Summer Camp Island page, on the proviso that it become part of a reception section for the series (which that page sorely needs), the addition to Adventure Time page does talk about "gender nonconformity and gender-swapping" in the series and how the reporter related to Lumpy Space Princess, the addition to the Steven Universe page is about how the show upends gender expectations (and it is relevant as Pokelova put it), the addition to the Craig of the Creek page talks about how the show has "one of the highest numbers of non-binary characters outside of Steven Universe" (I do think that section on LGBT rep also needs some more sourcing, so I'll work on that when I have time), the addition to the History of LGBT characters in animation talks about the relevance of Bugs Bunny in terms of him dressing in drag (this was also mentioned in some of the early Insider articles for their meh database), and the addition to the History of LGBT characters in animation: 2010s was just about the significance of a POC non-binary character in Danger & Eggs. I've been following the Insider articles since they started their whole big project on LGBTQ characters in children's animation and I've added a number of their articles to various pages since they have been published, so I thought that the podcast, considering it is on Hollywood Reporter, and considering that the person interviewed (apart from Asia Kate Dillon in the second half of the podcast on their role in Billions) wrote many of the original articles on LGBTQ characters in children's animation and is non-binary themselves, it seemed to be relevant to me, enough to be added to these pages. The podcast is only one of many sources on LGBTQ rep in children's animation. So, that is simply why I added it. If you have a different perspective, feel free to share it here, because I'd rather talk about it then get involved in some sort of edit war. If you do reverse my reversals, that would be unfortunate, but I also do not want to get in some back-and-forth on reversing edits, because I have done that in the past and it is self-defeating and ever ends up solving anything, so my reversals today are the only times I'm going to reverse it. I'm not going to fight it anymore if you claim it is "not relevant," even though I'll disagree with your decision on that. Historyday01 (talk) 14:46, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Your edits were all about Abbey White's opinion on various shows. Their opinion on shows like does not seem notable overall and were making statements that were likely to change (e.g.,  being the #2 show with non-binary characters). Information on which characters are non-binary would be more relevant. On, the info was about an individual's personal identity journey and how the show was formative. That info belongs on the person's biography, not on Adventure Time's page. The statement on  is an opinion and demonstrably false (c.f. The Dragon Prince).  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 18:02, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * EvergreenFir, that is true, it was about her opinion, but I don't see that as a bad thing, considering that she is a reporter covering this issue, not just some random person with a blogspot or Wordpress spouting off about LGBTQ characters and never citing sources (there are a lot of those out there). In terms of Summer Camp Island, I was interpreting that as one of many reviews, but I just revised that a little bit. My plan was to add that and look for more reviews, as there are bound to be reviews on the subject elsewhere (probably one on Common Sense Media for instance), considering it is a show on Cartoon Network after all. There are bound to some reviews of that. Hopefully its not like Victor & Valentino or something, where I really struggled to find reviews, when I added/updated? a reception section for that article. I see what you are saying about saying it "belongs on the person's biography" but she would never be able to have a bio on here, as you well know. In terms of the LGBT history page, I just did some edits there which made it more general, while adding a not mentioning Kazi in The Dragon Prince, who I think you are talking about. I don't know why White didn't mention Kazi, but this way its more general. I did the same on the Craig of the Creek page, making it more general, and also on the Adventure Time page. I do wish White had talked about which characters are non-binary but when speaking about Summer Camp Island (which I haven't watched yet), they only spoke in general terms. In the future, I suppose, I'll keep stuff more general, since that is what is "notable" and other aspects, like the fact the reporter was/is non-binary, isn't "notable." I do wish Dillon had talked about her role in GenLock too, but I guess it was still interesting to hear what she had to say about Billions. Historyday01 (talk) 19:20, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Question
Can I model my userboxes page after yours? 🌪CyclonicStormYutu🌪 (talk) 14:16, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, sure. Go ahead. --Historyday01 (talk) 14:17, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

History of LGBT characters in animation: 1990s
Hi there, I've tweaked the grammar of a sentence you recently added to the "Animated films" section of History of LGBT characters in animation: 1990s. If you have a ec, would you please take a look at my edit (here) and change it if necessary? I think I got what you were aiming for, but would like to be sure. Thanks! Jessicapierce (talk) 19:19, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that looks fine to me, but thanks for letting me know. I created those pages (ones for the 1990s, 2000s, 2010s, and 2020s) a while back and am always trying to update them as much as I can, when I have time. --Historyday01 (talk) 19:21, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Wizard City of Distant Lands
Do you have some ideas of citing reviews of "Wizard City"? I searched and there are an article or two like that, but I am not sure how you would choose articles that are suitable, like some "notifications" you previously mentioned? - George6VI (talk) 02:51, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I'll see what I can find. I have a Google Alert notification for "Adventure Time: Distant Lands" and that pulled up some articles in the past. --Historyday01 (talk) 03:03, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

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 * Glad to hear this! I had that article in the drafts for a while now, and thanks for accepting it. And in the future, I'll just create articles myself, for sure. Historyday01 (talk) 12:56, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

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Aquatope - new characters duplicated
I would like to combine the duplicated list of new characters using the hiragana but in family/given name order as official site and consistant with kanji and hepburn romanization The reference citations would show together as [6][7] The added character descriptions from the offical and anime news network sites would end with a new reference citation [8] to the offical news release All diacritical marks are per WP or actor site (Yuusuke/Yūsuke)

Dave-okanagan - tools - Email this user  Dave-okanagan (talk) 22:20, 25 September 2021 (UTC) Sure, you can update it with the correct romanizations and all, and add in character descriptions. Go ahead... I'm totally ok with that. --Historyday01 (talk) 22:24, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

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Utena: Influence
Apologies, I'm brand new to the site. I guess I don't understand how a reviewer's personal speculation differs from a fan's in this case? I can't find any actual statement that Utena influenced Noelle Stevenson and his crew. In the stream where he drew fan requests (one of which being a utena/anthy and adora/catra crossover) he stated he hadn't seen Utena or grown up with much anime at all, if I recall correctly. TabbyJean (talk) 06:34, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I mean, it is the reviewers determination that is the case, not Noelle specifically, so I'd say they have more weight than just some random fan out there. That's at least how I see it. I did just change the section a little so it says that is influenced Noelle, rather than the show.--Historyday01 (talk) 15:08, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

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 * Ok, thanks, I suppose. --Historyday01 (talk) 21:47, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

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Review Bomb Citation on Talk:High Guardian Spice
Posting here because I legitimately don't know how else to have a conversation about this, so I'm hoping you'll engage in a dialogue here.

First: please check out Talk Page Guidelines. You should not remove a post requesting discussion on a legitimate editorial topic of interest to the article because you have some personal objection to the discussion. That is simply not how Wikipedia works. The talk page is meant as an open forum for discussion, not a message board with a single moderator. It was inappropriate to remove my post - the discussion is relevant, and it's what the talk page is for.

Second: the topic of my post was completely valid and legitimate. The article claims that High Guardian Spice has been "review bombed", citing the following article: https://thegeekiary.com/spicing-it-up-high-guardian-spice-is-a-cute-and-magical-coming-of-age-story/102114 - I'm not sure if you've read the article, but it mentions nothing about "review bombing". Thus, the claim in the article (that the show was "review bombed") is not attributable to a third-party source. The claim is thus unsupported, and should not be in the article.

This is not disputable; if you've discussed this issue and reached a conclusion, your conclusion is not satisfactory or appropriate as per Editing Policy. Again, this is basic proper article editing. Unsupported, uncited claims are not appropriate content for an article on Wikipedia. I'm not sure what part of this you take issue with. Please elaborate, or otherwise, please don't remove a legitimate topic from a Talk page. 96.83.187.81 (talk) 21:36, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * There has already been a discussion about this, as you can see in archive 1 where there was a consensus to use that wording. That article, by the way, DOES mention review bombing, of High Guardian Spice and Magical Girl Friendship Squad. You apparently just don't know how to read, which is pretty sad to be honest. I would think that someone who is bringing so much attention to themselves would know how to read a review. Apparently not. Just because it doesn't cite a "third-party source" means nothing. I don't want to have a discussion again, its that simple. Your previous edits seem to show a bias against the show, and I would suggest you take those thoughts elsewhere, like a post on Twitter, for example. Please do not post about this again or I will request that the High Guardian Spice page be put under semi-protection. I have zero tolerance for vandalism such as the posts you have put forward in the past which try and stir people up. Historyday01 (talk) 21:50, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

A Wiki project
Hey, Historyday01! I'm working on a LIS manuscript about how to start editing and improving Wikipedia, and I was wondering if you'd be willing to take a quick peek at it to see if I captured the most important elements? I can send it to you via email, where I can also provide additional deets, if you're curious.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)  15:08, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll take a look. Thanks for letting me know. --Historyday01 (talk) 22:41, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Awesome! I sent you an email with a few more deets + a copy of the work. Thanks a million!-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)  22:38, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey, hey! I sent you another message about a related project. Just wanted to let you know here.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)  14:59, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks, I'll take a look. --Historyday01 (talk) 18:01, 25 January 2022 (UTC)