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What is your name written in
Just Curious, What is your name in kanji form? - Yamamoto Ichiro


 * 金乃羊　My Korean name is: 金潤美　As you see its a play on words, or in this cae kanji.

Hi Hitsuji, please use your official signature when discussing on talk page (as on the Sailor Moon page). Use four tildes: ~ DirectorStratton 03:44, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

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 * This picture has had the same 'this is a living person, go out and stalkerazzi them for Wikipedia!' template uploaded on it again - any admin can delete it. You know more about her than I do, so can you please fix it good? - Malkinann 11:41, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Sailor Moon article
I'm very unhappy that that whole discussion was conducted in a totally different place; I had no idea anything of the sort was being decided on and was unable to contribute. Surely that's not hard to understand. I will try to gather my wits later to make a mature and helpful argument, but for now I'm extremely distracted and upset by the whole thing. Obviously you're just following consensus, which is fine, but I feel pretty exluded. --Masamage 20:01, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Regarding edits made during October 5 2006 (UTC) to Mamoru Chiba
Please stop. If you continue to blank pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Ryūlóng 07:46, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * And I replied to him, leaving a message and he deleted it, ignoring completely the fact that I had reorganized the page, and made it better to a project's standards. Wow, really, really mature there, glad you know you have teh powas an you constantly don't read talk pages like you're supposed to. Are you sure you want those powers since you have showed such great maturity? Or are you just failing to admit you could be for once wrong?--Hitsuji Kinno 22:08, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Stars question
Do you have any thoughts on the canonical name of Nehellenia's whatsits in the first few episodes of Stars? I've seen Mirror Parody, Mirror Paredory (most commonly), and Mirror Palais Dolly... No clue where anyone is getting these. --Masamage 08:49, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply! I'm still sort of uncertain, though. In ep. 197, Nehellenia's voice very clearly says "paredori," when Parody would be "parodi." Not only that, but the only reference I can find on Hitoshi Doi's site is in the episode summaries, where he consistantly calls them Paredories. I can't find a page about a Stars anime book, either. ?_? Maybe he's moved things around? --Masamage 00:23, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Another note: I just looked up "parody" in a Japanese dictionary. It's definitely パロディ. --Masamage 00:28, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Right, but the thing I saw said "Dolly," not doll, so "dori" works just fine. I'm a Japanese student too, by the way. ^^;;; And since the kana for parody is clearly "parodi," while Nehellenia clearly says "paredori," I must remain skeptical that there's any translation at all. --Masamage 04:07, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Nanowrimo
That's so awesome. :) If you don't mind my asking, have you ever finished it? (I really want to try it next year. Haven't had the chance yet, mainly because I keep doing nutty things in November, like getting married or taking calculus... But it's gonna happen.) --Masamage 03:49, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Haha. That sounds like an enormously cute book. And your word count is encouraging for there being nine days left. :D Ganbatte! What were your other ones about? And why the interest in the golden sheep? I notice it's your username as well.
 * I'm enjoying the calculus a lot, but in a pretty abstract way. I'm pretty sure I'll never use it, it's just really cool. ^_^ Also, thanks! Our first anniversary was on Sunday. (He was a dubbie when we met eight years ago, but he's up to speed now. XD)
 * Thanks for all your work and ideas! You've really helped enormously. --Masamage 04:16, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I found them!!
I was looking for pics of Naoko Takeuchi when I came across the character pics that match the one on Michiru Kaioh's page. There is one of each of the 10 major Senshi and even ChibiChibi. I think this is the best shot we have at uniforming the character article main pics. What do you think?? -Saturn Yoshi THE VOICES 00:36, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Asiophile
I agree with your statement on the talk page that its a difficult subject to write about without lapsing into unfortunate stereotype, however I also suggested a merge to the existing article Asiaphile which is about the same topic. Your thoughts? Dina 15:36, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oho, so one does exist, just spelled differently? I can try to help a little, but I don't know much about the subject other than arguably being one. ^^ --Masamage 19:41, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I posted a merge tag. Perhaps check out the other article, and if it gets at what you were trying to write about, db-author Asiophile?  Cheers Dina 19:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I answered you on the talk page of Asiaphile, but I figured I'd drop a personal line here as well. As I said on the talk page, I have a problem with stereotipisations of culture as well. I'm not Asian, but I am sometimes on the receiving end of stereotipisations, so I think I know how you feel. I'm European, and one thing I can tell you is, European women *do* shave their armpits :) I'm also from Slovenia. If you read up on it, you'll see that it's a small but nice, developed and fairly wealthy place, even though it's an ex-communist country. So imagine how upset I felt when I heard that the script for the movie The Terminal was originaly written so that the volatile, dirt-poor country Tom Hanks' charachter was from would be Slovenia. Nothing could be further from the truth, but Spielberg couldn't care less about truth. He was just looking for a small Eastern European country. And they're all the same, aren't they?

I'm no die hard fanatic, but I figured I'd patrol the Asiaphile article and make sure it doesn't slump back into the adolescent "weeaboo!" form it was in. I'd suggest deletion, but it'd probably just get created anew. You're more than welcome to contribute. TomorrowTime 08:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Naoko-sensei
Hi fellow moonie ^^ Finally the english version of the Naoko Takeuchi-Article got a big update (okay, haven't been here for about half a year)

I'm the maintainer (uhm, okay, it isn't actually _my_ article, but I used to edit quite a bit) of the German Article: Naoko Takeuchi

Maybe we could work together, to improve more details (eg. find out her true year of birth and such) and to share information from each article (eg. I consider the german list of her works more cleary arranged but the english version has a more detailed description)

If you'd like to contact me, this is my UserPage: User:Merkur-kun

BTW: I consider myself as a wikipedia-newbie, especially in terms of working together in different languages :-) -- User:Merkur-kun 22:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Link for List of Sailor Moon locations
would this be a good link for the List of Sailor Moon Locations page? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sailor_Moon_locations http://www.geocities.com/lunararchivist/mystplan.html It's a little old but it talks about the places in the solar system that are based on real space locations. Would that be of good use? Neptunekh 04:54, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

sailor moon episode
hi you ask what episode of sailor moon where sailor uranus and neptune grow up it its 106 The bond of destiny! The Distance Days of Uranus! dont know what the dub was i just want through evrey episode on you tube lol (i started from 100 lol) Sailor cuteness 20:23, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

ChibiChibi / Sailor Cosmos
Since you'd expressed misgivings, I thought I should let you know about the test-merge page I made to show what these two articles would look like together. I think it addresses any possible problems with the merge, and that the two component characters are covered much more thoroughly than in the extant articles. I'd appreciate your thoughts at Talk:ChibiChibi. Thanks! --Masamage 16:56, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't tell if you looked at my test-page or not. It seems to me like it covers your concerns; am I wrong? --Masamage 22:21, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Church! by Yoshihiro Togashi
Hey, Church by Yoshihiro Togashi is a REAL series.

YuYu Hakusho volume 1 mentions an advertisement of "Church! Volume 3" - Which is no longer available. WhisperToMe 15:16, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Be sure to read YYH Vol. 1 at the bookstore.. you will find the page referencing Church. WhisperToMe 15:44, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

The Senshi Bios
I was just thinking you could add the senshi's birthstones on their bio pages on WIkipedia and Wikimoon. Like for example, Ami's birthstone is a Sapphire. It's just a suggestion. Think about it and let me know. Neptunekh 23:12, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Trouble Quartet
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yoshihiro_Togashi&diff=88549767&oldid=88548432

Togashi stated, in Page 116 of Volume 1 of YuYu Hakusho:

"Seisaku Hakusho ("The Production Report") Part 2 by Yoshihiro Togashi

The legendary manga of mine that never saw the light of day was Trouble Quartet. It got rejected because, simply put, it wasn't interesting. Objectively speaking, that is. Personally, I really liked it. It was a weird sports manga with homosexual characters and cross-dressing (I may have turned off a lot of Weekly Shonen Jump readers just by explaining this much of the story).

I wrote a script based on my own personal interest, and was satisfied with it, but I couldn't work it up to a level where it would be commercially successful. Still, I grew deeply attached to it. I hope that one day, once I built a name for myself as a writer, I will see the day when this title will be published in a different form.

To be continued on page 136! I'll unveil the main character of Trouble Quartet, Gen Otoda!"

THIS is what I was talking about. WhisperToMe 20:50, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Either way, Trouble Quartet ought to be mentioned in some fashion in some place.

As for Church!, I'll see if the ad contains a date for Vol. 3 (this is all of the info in English that I know about - esp. since Church was a dojin) WhisperToMe 14:03, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

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I reported User:Mr strike my leg stop i dont like fly for his recent edits like the one above. Please follow this link to add your thoughts on this incident. --Knowpedia 04:02, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Church ad
The church ad does not mention specific dates, but it mentions a summer convention.

"Church!

Hagiwara-style Promotional Corner

Brought to you by the Church! Production Committee

Thanks to everyone- all the books we've printed so far have sold out this past winter. All the members who worked on it are getting psyched up and carried away for "Church! Vol. 3: We're Carried Away Here!" (tentative title) for the summer dôjinshi convention!!!"

And the editor note reads: "This is an advertisement for a dôjinshi (self-published comic) by Togashi and Co. Unfortunately, the comic is no longer available --Editor" WhisperToMe 20:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Adoption
Nice changes. I'll try to keep my own edits more "parent/family-centric" in future :-) Bastun BaStun not BaTsun 09:27, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

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Kakyuu's prince
I found the line I was referring to, and responded at Talk:Princess Kakyuu. ^^ --Masamage ♫ 23:55, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Family Adoption
My sister said it wasn't hard because my "father" abandond me after my mum passed and she was the only one who could look after me and it made sence putting me with family then putting me up for adoption with strangers ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 20:36, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Kibun & Nunchi
Don't Kibun mean "feeling" and Nunchi "reading of another's motive"? Ahh. Are you trying to combine them into one article? I don't think paralanguage fits. Maybe "Korean words without English equivalents". (Wikimachine 22:26, 2 June 2007 (UTC))
 * I see. Gl. You are knowledgeable about anime, right? What series should I watch?

I've seen Eureka seveN, NG Eva, Futakoi Alt, Gundam S & S Destiny, FMP & Fumoffu & TSR, Place Promised in Early Days, Hoshi no Koe, & 5cm per second. (Wikimachine 01:15, 3 June 2007 (UTC))
 * Escaflowne seems cool. Ok. I'll try it. Thx. : ) (Wikimachine 20:04, 3 June 2007 (UTC))

Timeline question
If Usagi is pregnant with Chibiusa when she gets married, which seems to be before she becomes Neo-Queen Serenity at age 22, and Chibiusa comes from 1000 years in the future but is only 900 years old...was Usagi pregnant for 100 years? --Masamage ♫ 22:26, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * ...So there's a six-year gap between when Usagi jumps in the cauldron and when she gets married? --Masamage ♫
 * Okay, that makes sense. But how do we know that Usagi gets married and becomes the Neo-Queen at approximately the same time? Couldn't the one happen significantly before the other? --Masamage ♫ 05:17, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I knew she was pregnant at her wedding; what I'm unclear about is how that relates to the start of Crystal Tokyo. Do we know Chibiusa was born at the very beginning of it? Or what? (And what do you mean, Crystal Tokyo is in the background? Like, spires?) --Masamage ♫ 06:04, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Manga definitions and the question you raised at Manga Talk
Thanks for your comments about definitions of manga that you posted on the Manga Talk page. You are raising interesting questions indeed.

I posted a few thoughts on the Manga Talk page, but wanted to let you know here that I did so. And I'd also like to invite you to help us revise the manga article. You can find the work in progress at my user pages Timothy Perper/Sandbox, TP/Sandbox2, Sandbox3, and the one we're currently wrapping up, Sandbox4. Your input would be most appreciated! BTW, you might also want to look at my own user page to find out who I am and why I may have some credentials for working on the revision.

Thanks again!

Timothy Perper 20:16, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yup, you're right in your criticisms of the manga page. And that's part of why I and some other people started a MAJOR revision of the article a couple of weeks ago. We put lots of comments in the manga talk page and on the manga/anime project talk page about the revision.


 * All the material up to the section called "Gekiga" is brand new. Why don't you read it?


 * We're going to finish the shōjo section by later today, maybe tomorrow. Then we were planning on moving to YAOI and shonen, and from there to the next major section of the revision, which was supposed to be about how manga portrays people and how people react to manga. Thus far, we've put in nearly a 100 references into the revision, which is a serious, solid, and scholarly piece of writing.


 * But I can't work alone and I won't work against people. So, here's the deal. Read the revised section, and comment on it on my User Talk page. Then let's see if there's any future in my continuing to work on the revision. At the moment, I have a lot of doubts. Read my User page and you'll see why.


 * Timothy Perper 07:36, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

 * And a Happy New Year :D JuJube (talk) 08:41, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Adoption
Did you know that open adoptions only break down because the "birthmother" loses interest? Me neither... We apparently must also reference things like Alabama and Oregon having open records, and that the Earth is not flat. But its so self-evident that all those lazy birthmothers close off open adoptions that we needn't reference that... *sigh* Bastun BaStun not BaTsun 11:56, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Are MangaStyle translations equivalent to the real books?
Hi, odd question, can I please get some confirmation from you that the translations on MangaStyle are true to the originals in the book? Per the discussion on WT:ANIME, I'd like to replace the citations to the scans/translations on MangaStyle (in articles like Tuxedo Mask, Sailor Galaxia etc.) with citations to the original books, and in order to do that, I'd like some kind of assurance that the two are equivalent. I gather that you own a great deal of the SM manga, and am hoping you can help me out. Cheers, Malkinann (talk) 23:49, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Luna and Wikimoon
Nope. :/ There's been no response at all so far. I'll try and get people's attention... --Masamage ♫ 02:42, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey, could you translate something for me...
Does this, 가벼운 맨 위, mean Lighthead? I put it on a page, I used a translator; but I don't know if it's right. I don't know if you have the right keyboard, but if it's wrong can you type it's equivalent on my talk page; thanks. I highly appreciate it. Lighthead  þ 20:37, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Translation request - Sailor Moon renewed edition volume 3
Can you please check if the "female gang" that's referred to here is sukeban in the Japanese text? Thanks. :) -Malkinann (talk) 21:01, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. :) Hope you had fun on your trip. -Malkinann (talk) 00:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Tuxedio Mask image
Wasn't aware it was an edit. Had another one just in case. I'll replace it with that one.Lego3400: The Sage of Time (talk) 20:05, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Tuxedio Mask image
Wasn't aware it was an edit. Had another one just in case. I'll replace it with that one.Lego3400: The Sage of Time (talk) 20:06, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Adoption Devastation
A new section has been added to the Adoption article. If interested, you may wish to check the history.Tobit2 (talk) 04:41, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Watase Yuu Picture
Hi, I did personally take the picture, a few years ago at a comicCon in italy. ;) --Smark911 (talk) 01:25, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Orphans and Foundlings Project Proposal
Hello we're trying to start up a new project to cover the adoption and related articles. Would you support it? Tobit2 (talk) 15:17, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Orphans and Foundlings Project Proposal

Bastun, a first page for the project is up at WP:O&F.Tobit2 (talk) 01:21, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Orphans and Foundlings Project
Hitsuji, I'm not sure whether you have been following the most recent discussion thread. But there is debate over the project's name with a proposal to change it to either Orphaned, fosterees, and adoptees, or Orphaned, fostered and adopted children. Do you object to this?Tobit2 (talk) 14:03, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

My two penn'orth
The two orange "parents" and the separated child - but the childs right hand half being a different colour - representing whatever its parentless life brings. I would think that would just about cover most things. Fainites barley scribs 21:21, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Tricky. Maybe the original would work because even if the child is not fostered or adopted there would still be adults involved somewhere.Fainites barley scribs 09:39, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Image for AFOD Project
I rather like H's graphic, but what about something like this? Fainites barley scribs 17:34, 31 May 2009 (UTC) Oh dear! Well personally I like H's graphic. I don't quite see how the presence of a child infantilises adopted people because this is some thing that happens to you when you are a child, but then I'm not adopted myself so its not up to me to say how these things affect other people. However, its a question of finding something striking yet simple but which doesn't offend or upset anybody.Fainites barley scribs 08:45, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Or just a generic child.Fainites barley scribs 12:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

AFOD
Hows it going with your acorn graphic idea? Fainites barley scribs 20:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

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Comment on Conquest of Space talk page...
To recap: "Anyone have a good source on thoughts of racism in this film? The most famous being:
 * Sgt. Imoto: Some years ago, my country chose to fight a terrible war... I volunteer.

"There has to be someone who commented as a film critic on this part of the film.--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 05:42, 16 September 2009 (UTC)"


 * The best complement would have been if nobody commented on it. I must have been 3 or 4 when I first saw this film, and 6 a second time: what I remember is the "spacewheel"... and Sgt. Imoto's speech. It struck me with awe then and now. Then, because the filmmaker had the courage to include a Japanese hero less than ten years after the end of WWII, and because so much of this speech is true (25 years later I learned that only 20% of Japan's landmass is arable). Now, because it turned out to be prophetic. Thank you for quoting it in full - it still moves me to read it. Shir-El too  09:56, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * My computer is being repaired, so I hope to reread and answer your response at a later date. Thank you for answering at length. Cheers! <font color="F64A8A">Shir-El <font color="DF73FF">too  19:41, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Hello again! I saved your comments on my page so I could get back to you some time - even if 10 months later. If you are still interested I would like to explore some of the caveats you raised. And would it be correct to address you as "Hitsuji-san"? All the best, <font color="F64A8A">Shir-El <font color="DF73FF">too  23:39, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Re: Urban fantasy
Hi. I'm not sure what material you're specifically referring to. In any case, the examples in the article are sourced, and according to the definition (which is also sourced), urban fantasy is simply fantasy that takes place within an urban setting. -- James26 (talk) 02:57, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying. I changed some of the sources (specifically for Rachel Morgan, Night Huntress, Darkest Powers, House of Night, Rampant, and Evernight). Others didn't need updating. Overall, the sources either mention "urban fantasy" directly, or mention cities and towns (Tulsa, Venice, etc). The one for The Immortals series simply mentions a "high school," but I would think that this is sufficient enough evidence of the genre. In any case, thanks for bringing this to my attention. -- James26 (talk) 06:39, 23 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think it's necessary to specify the name of the city in every example. The point is that they're urban fantasies. As for city issues, I don't know if those are even the major focus in each and every urban fantasy story out there. I could be mistaken, but I think the main focus these days tends to be on the character issues that are mentioned (paranormal romances, angst-ridden teenagers, love triangles, policewomen, etc). I updated the article because I was noticing those kinds of similarities in many urban fantasy novels, and I thought it was time to note all of those similarities in a single place.


 * However, if you think that the article would be better off focusing on unique city issues, or the other aspects that you've mentioned, you're more than welcome to change things. Keep in mind that the article received two "B" ratings upon being updated to its current state a few months ago, so it's not exactly in bad shape. But again, if you'd like to make some changes, that's up to you. Having done a lot of work on it, though, I simply request that you not remove too much of what's there. Best wishes. -- James26 (talk) 06:45, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I read your reply and respect the fact that you feel strongly about what you mentioned.


 * "Urban Fantasy CAN be paired with other subgenres and isn't mutually exclusive, but without the city mentioned as a major feature of the story in the genre, it really doesn't count as Urban Fantasy."


 * As stated, I don't know if the city itself plays a major role in every urban fantasy out there, or in all of the books mentioned in the article. I only know that those books are considered urban fantasies (and defined as such by the sources) because they happen to take place in cities. It may be as simple as that in certain cases -- regardless of our personal opinions as to how it should be.


 * As mentioned, if you'd like to improve the article by researching the sources within, or overhauling the page in the ways that you've discussed, I wish you well. It sounds like you have a pretty clear vision. -- James26 (talk) 23:25, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Possible SOS controversy on Sailor Moon pages
Hi! You weighed in a few years ago when I mentioned adding in info about the SOS on the Sailor Moon articles. A few people are trying to add in the SOS info, saying that they were responsible for the series being dubbed. I changed the article to reflect that these were only things they claimed they were responsible for & I'm kind of expecting a bit of an argument about it. Since you are knowledgeable about the SOS & their infamy, I was wondering if you'd mind checking in & backing up the info I posted about the SOS. It's all taking place on the Talk:Sailor Moon (English adaptations) page. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 17:35, 6 October 2010 (UTC)tokyogirl79

Uttar Pradesh: Date gap?
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WP:SM potential move
See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Sailor_Moon. --Malkinann (talk) 05:20, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Sourcing on Sailor Moon (English adaptations)
Hi - some of the sourcing of the alterations to the Tokyopop manga is being vaguely questioned on Talk:Sailor Moon (English adaptations) - could you please be prepared to look up your copies so we can go direct to the source? --Malkinann (talk) 11:08, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Infobox Korean Film
Hello, I saw your ID on WikiProject and so I thought you might be interested in a debate at Template Talk on the topic of merging Infobox Korean Film into the generic Infobox Film category, deleting the Hangul/hanja/RR/MR information, or keeping it separate (as it currently is). I would appreciate it if you to contribute your thoughts or at least glance over it. The more people looking/thinking about it will give us better ideas as to what should be decided. Thank you. ₪Rick n Asia₪ 08:48, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request dated 2nd October on the "Kiss" Talk page
Hi Hitsuji Kinno!

I’m the person who made the edit request regarding the Indian “origins” of kissing on the 2nd of October 2013, which Stfg saw to on the 6th of the same month.

I’ve had reason to check up on this page and these kind of things in general on Wikipedia. If you go to the Talk page of the Wikipedia article “Man”, you’ll be able to read all about it. Let me give it to you in short. There is a group (a large one at that) of Indians who indulge in boosterism (as I’ve learnt to call it) on the net in general and Wikipedia in particular. The idea is solely to claim India as the origin of a whole gamut of things without any real scholarship at all to back those claims or very poor scholarship (when there is ambiguity). Furthermore, they will not argue rationally and will literally stop at nothing to propagate what they wish to be known to the world at large.

Now, let’s get to the “kiss” issue. Citation No. 5, which was in the article when I’d made the request, did not mention the Vedas. Citation No. 6 on the present page does mention what you say. Firstly, the West in general misunderstands India, and what is not understood too well is often glorified. Traditional Indians don’t know when to begin dating their texts; they were either there right from the beginning of the universe (I’m not kidding!) or date to some hoary antiquity which you and I can’t imagine. The discovery of the Indus Valley Civilization brought western historians to about the date 1500 BC for the composition of the Rig Veda (and hence the start of the Aryan period in India). It is acknowledged that the last of the four Vedas, the Atharva Veda, was composed in about 1000 BC, the Yajur Veda about 1200 BC and the Sama Veda somewhere between the Rig Veda and the Yajur Veda. It is also universally accepted that the four Vedas were composed before any of the other (numerous) works. The impression that the line you have quoted gives is that there were four texts from 1500 BC which talk about kissing. Even if I am wrong here, the fact remains that Citation No. 6 does not give any lines from the texts which would verify this. I have read parts of the Rig Veda and I did come across a few lines exhorting men and women to copulate in the sunshine (or something like that, if I remember correctly), but nothing about kissing per se. The lines from the Song of Solomon have been quoted in the Wikipedia article and the sources are genuine sources (one primary and the other a published secondary one). Surely Citation No. 6 cannot be taken seriously. It’s basically another ten-slide affair, with no citations of its own. Correct me if I’m wrong, but this is not the kind of citation which Wikipedia should have to offer the general public.

It’s also a matter of commonsense and rationality, if you really think about it. Kissing would rank, in my opinion, along with some other human achievements (like language, agriculture, etc.) which could be called basic/natural, in that it would be absurd to try to trace them to a single common source. These things developed in different places along different lines and at different times. It seems ridiculous to state that the Greeks and Romans had to wait till they heard of kissing from India. (Ovid's "Art of Love" predates the Kamasutra by at least two centuries!) And what about the Egyptians, who have an attested history going back to 3000 BC and who gave us the modern romantic notion of the wedding ring? Also, given that (i) the use of the mouth to taste, and (ii) the fact that the genitals in human beings are so located that intercourse would naturally lead to licking, sucking and kissing are both biological notions that are probably as old as the human race, wouldn’t it again be ludicrous to think that only a mere two to three millenia ago (which is 0.1% of the history of the human race as we know it today), people started to kiss, and that too in one geographical location? India, Greece, Ancient Rome and Egypt are all either tropical countries or close enough to the tropics. It would make more sense that peoples living in frigid conditions (like the Eskimos) would have felt the need to indulge in kissing out of sheer necessity (both as a means of increasing body warmth and as a reminder that one is not alone in a harsh Arctic land).

Basically, one should be careful in today’s internet world, where everybody has a lot to say but very, very little of it is of any worth. I repeat: 1) I believe that the claims do not hold water; 2) The purported “lines” from the texts are neither quoted nor are the “source citations” convincing to any degree; 3) I believe that this is part of Indian boosterism, either by Indians themselves or non-Indians who don't really know much about India. If you read what is there on the Talk page of “Man” and check Jimmy Wales’ Talk page (where I brought it to his notice sometime in mid-October; it would be in one of the archives by now), you’ll get a better picture of what I have to say. Mr. Wales himself wasn’t interested and neither were the editors who responded (in the large), but I happen to be Indian and living in India. I know what’s happening. I see either falsehoods or exceedingly ambiguous notions being reported in the newspapers or on Indian websites which can more often than not be traced to Wikipedia. And Indians then take great pride in these things, which only contribute to their store of accumulated hubris. It's okay to be proud of things that are true, but not when they're not. A lot of the latter happens in India, probably more so than in any other country.

I’m pasting this on your Talk page and not on the Talk page of “Kiss” because I’m not sure that you’ll get to read it there. You may of course paste it back on the “Kiss” Talk page, as other editors have done. I look forward to hearing from you. Till then, take care!

Andrew Cabral — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.98.76.29 (talk) 12:31, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not Indian for the record, and you have to just realize there is a page 2. It's just a little tech savvy. Restore it. Because you can't link to page 2. I'm 100% sure it's there. I cross referenced the sources too. And it's from a reputable website, discovery.com, who runs several documentaries, written by someone who is clearly not indian, if you actually bothered to look at the reference. I'd recommend looking at the dots at the bottom of the page I referenced and clicking on the shiny next one. I'm mostly annoyed because making references in wikipedia takes a lot of work and I double verfied the material.--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 03:58, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Have replied to both your posts, Hitsuji Kinno, on the Kiss Talk page. Any further communication between us can be restricted to that page.

Andrew Cabral — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.98.77.89 (talk) 10:06, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

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Asian 10,000 Challenge invite
Hi. The WikiProject Asia/The 10,000 Challenge has recently started, based on the UK/Ireland The 10,000 Challenge and WikiProject Africa/The 10,000 Challenge. The idea is not to record every minor edit, but to create a momentum to motivate editors to produce good content improvements and creations and inspire people to work on more countries than they might otherwise work on. There's also the possibility of establishing smaller country or regional challenges for places like South East Asia, Japan/China or India etc, much like The 1000 Challenge (Nordic). For this to really work we need diversity and exciting content and editors from a broad range of countries regularly contributing. At some stage we hope to run some contests to benefit Asian content, a destubathon perhaps, aimed at reducing the stub count would be a good place to start, based on the current WikiProject Africa/The Africa Destubathon which has produced near 200 articles in just three days. If you would like to see this happening for Asia, and see potential in this attracting more interest and editors for the country/countries you work on please sign up and being contributing to the challenge! This is a way we can target every country of Asia, and steadily vastly improve the encyclopedia. We need numbers to make this work so consider signing up as a participant! Thank you. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 04:49, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi!
Hello, very odd request. And I apologise in advance if this is against some rules but is there any way to contact you outside here? Thanks in advance! Ytro na more (talk) 15:50, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Rashomon
Hi!

I saw your comment on the Rashomon talk page where you wrote the following:

''"The story is often praised as being among the greatest in Japanese literature." - Western or Eastern Influences, Japanese, both or overall? Make it clear because the movie Rashomon didn't have consistent feedback from both countries''

This got me wondering, what was the response to the movie in the East or in Japan specifically? I know the film is highly regarded in the West, but I wasn't aware there was a different response in the East/Japan so that got me curious.

Also, do you disagree that the short story is regarded as one of the greatest in Japanese literature? What is in fact its critical appraisal, if you know? 89.201.205.69 (talk) 21:35, 8 June 2023 (UTC)