User talk:HkCaGu/Archive 2010 Jul-Dec

SD apt.
Thanks for the edit. You are actually the second person to find it excessive. The first guy didn´t like it at all. And I agree that it is better the way it is now. Hurray for discussion and consensus.

Shabidoo 03:59, 19 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shabidoo (talk • contribs)

JetBlue BOS-EWR
Can you please watch this as IPs continue to add this service even though JetBlue has not announced a firm start date yet? I have put a hidden note to it also. Thanks! Snoozlepet (talk) 02:42, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Climate stations
Regarding this edit:

When I put up articles for "Good article" status, reviewers want climate data, even if there isn't necessarily a climate station within the city limits. However the guy didn't appropriately cite the source for the Redondo data. WhisperToMe (talk) 02:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe it is something to bring up with WikiProject Cities. Maybe they can determine whether it is still appropriate to post climate data even if the weather stations are not exactly in the city areas.
 * WhisperToMe (talk) 06:18, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

United merger and Co Mike HQ
Hey! With the United merger happening, it may be possible that Co Mike is absorbed into United (as in there will be no separate airline based in Guam). When you fly into Guam next time (hopefully it will be before air certificates will be merged), it is of an utmost priority to photograph the old Guam terminal (especially if it still has Continental Micronesia markings) WhisperToMe (talk) 06:07, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Breaking format
Hey sorry about the breaking format, I was trying to make it so one city name wasn't on two different lines completely forgetting about screen width and didn't realize it was against format standards. I'll go back and revert any you didn't catch. Sorry about that. ZHoover123 00:44, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

OAK: Southwest/AirTran
Good day. While I have no argument towards the edit you made of (removing) 71.132.215.82's info, I feel that the announced service possibilities are very important to OAK, through the acquisition. Therefore, instead of copying and pasting the entire article, I (1) used my own wording; (2) included the link for the service talk; (3) listed the main destinations of talk, including their significance briefly. Looking back, perhaps it could be shortened further, but I am trying to figure out how. I am, of course, open to your suggestions, but figure that we could also bring it up on the discussion page. Fair? Also, would it be best to wait until this possible service to eastern cities becomes reality, before including in the article, rather than express optimism? Thank you for any feedback that you can provide.Min1Phoeb2 (talk) 12:34, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Delta BOS-LHR and MIA-LHR
I don't know if we should include these routes on the pages. Delta announced them...yes but the flights aren't bookable nor do they appear in scheds. A user insists on adding LHR to Delta on Miami International Airport but i keep removing it saying that Delta hasn't receive the OK to fly that route yet nor it is not bookable yet. HELP!!! Yhanks! Snoozlepet (talk) 23:42, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Continental Micronesia photo request has been fulfilled
Hi! I have some great news! A Japanese Wikipedian fulfilled the photo request: File:Guam International Airport Old Terminal Building1.JPG - Now we have the old terminal building, the Co Mike HQ! WhisperToMe (talk) 16:26, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

GIAA building
Okay this source says the building is at 355 Chalan Pasaheru, Route 10A, Tamuning, Guam 96931

Where is the GIAA building? Would it be on the airport property? WhisperToMe (talk) 16:38, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, the terminal map just answered by question WhisperToMe (talk) 16:39, 6 October 2010 (UTC)


 * The main terminal building is in Barrigada. I don't know if they get mail delivery, but 96931 is a POB ZIP code (Tamuning PO). Chalan Pasaheru is Route 10A. HkCaGu (talk) 17:29, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I added the Guam Airport Authority (in the main terminal building) to the Government section of the Barrigada page. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:25, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Guam Police
http://gpd.guam.gov/ContactUs/tabid/2260/Default.aspx says that the Guam PD is based at "233 Central Avenue Tiyan, Guam 96912" Is this in Barrigada?

Also the guy who photographed the Co Mike HQ also got a photo of Guam Premier Outlets, so I added the photo to that article. I then made a request for an article about Guam Premier Outlets on the Japanese Wikipedia so the Japanese will have an article about it too. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:18, 12 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes it is definitely in Barrigada--almost near the SW end of the runway, on the north side above the cliff, near 13.48 N 144.78 E. What Google Maps labeled "N Street" is actually Central Avenue (which parallels Sunset). All the trapezoidal side streets are the lettered streets. HkCaGu (talk) 20:32, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you! The same guy also took a photo of the Guam Police Department Building, but he thought it was in Tamuning. I recategorized the commons pics to Barrigada. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:45, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Guam correctional facilities
I have some more questions: WhisperToMe (talk) 22:37, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * 1. Guam Department of Youth Affairs has its HQ at #169 San Isidro St. Mangilao Guam 96923. Is this the same location or a different location than Guam Youth Correctional Facility (indicated on this map)
 * 2. Is the Guam Department of Corrections headquartered on the Main Adult Correctional Facility site? I notice that this document says "ROUTE 15 IN FRONT OF DOC(MANGILAO)" - Is the DOC based on that one property?
 * 3. Are the adult and youth correctional facilities on the same property? This map indicates them as two separate points, but I only see one distinct prison property on Google Maps Aerial View.
 * DYA is likely at the same place as the youth facility. You can look up the Census maps to see if you can find the street names.
 * DOC has the main adult prison in Mangilao and a detention site in Hagatna. I don't know where their HQ is. Route 15 in front of DOC is pretty much the main prison.
 * Quite often it's on the news that someone escapes from DYA. A lot less often is the news that someone escapes from DOC, which often lead the media going into "breaking news" mode. So I'm pretty sure they're separate, especially if PDN puts two dots. HkCaGu (talk) 00:56, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Based on this map San Isidro Street is in Mangilao, off of Dairy Road. It matches with Guam PDN's dot for the youth facility, so they are probably in the same place.
 * The adult facility is in barely in Mangilao, and west of San Isidro. I believe it's separate.
 * Now I'm going to post photo requests for the adult and youth facilities.
 * Thank you,
 * WhisperToMe (talk) 01:43, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Guam old terminal
Please see Talk:Continental_Micronesia WhisperToMe (talk) 17:23, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Business
Hmmm..

the source at the business news says: "It also has expanded its presence in Asia and the Pacific. Continental Micronesia's routes to eight Japanese cities today make up 70 percent of its business." and "Thirty percent of the airline's business comes from its 4,300-mile island-hopper route, which begins in Honolulu, makes five stops and ends -- 14 hours and 10 minutes later -- in Hagatna, Guam's capital city." - But you are right in that it's leaving out Hong Kong, Bali, Manila, etc.

I suppose I could e-mail the journalist and point out that there are still other routes to be accounted for in the percentage? WhisperToMe (talk) 17:26, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I just sent an e-mail to them (the same message once to their e-mail address, and once in a form letter). Hopefully they will get it, respond, and make corrections if necessary. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:31, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think anyone will correct an old article or bother redoing their research. The article is simply not a reliable source for the "percentage" figures. Everything else can be quoted accordingly. BTW, The "Hagatna, Guam's capital city" phrase in the "ref" section is probably overused. HkCaGu (talk) 18:09, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Need your help: Listing of Continental's (and foreign carriers') flight to Newark
I have started a discussion here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Airports regarding the listing of Continental flights to Newark from various UK airports. Your input would be greatly appreceiated. Thanks! Snoozlepet (talk) 00:39, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Old Air Micronesia HQ in Saipan
Would you where I would find the information stating exactly where the old Air Micronesia HQ in Saipan was? Flight International seems to only have PO Boxes (understandable since things are different in CNMI) - But it means it doesn't say exactly where the HQ of Air Micronesia is. WhisperToMe (talk) 12:08, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Correct rather than revert (Typhon Megi)
Hello Cagu, I know that my English is imperfect, so I perfectly agree to see my wording corrected, reworder, etc. And ok, a next landfall, while expectable, is not certain. But Megi is, it's already facts, 1. going northward, 2. now expected to affect Fujian and Taiwan. So please restore this reliable content. That's a matter of 1 mins for a native English speaker. That will, indeed, be helpful. Yug (talk)  04:06, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Your content doesn't fit into either location: the lead paragraph or the preparation section. There is no way to rewrite it without a total research and comparison of what's already there. HkCaGu (talk) 04:33, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

GovGuam
I'll see if I can find a list of all of the government agencies. Lemme look up the Guam Government website... WhisperToMe (talk) 07:28, 21 October 2010 (UTC) I noticed a few commissions: Should they be listed with the other Guam agencies? Or should they be listed separately? WhisperToMe (talk) 11:42, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I found some agencies in this document: http://www.guamlegislature.com/Bills_introduced_30th/Bill%20No.%20B439-30%20%28COR%29.pdf
 * I'll go ahead and add to the listing
 * WhisperToMe (talk) 07:30, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Chamorro Land Trust Commission
 * Guam Ancestral Lands Commission
 * Hard to say. Some commissions are like agencies. CLTC for sure--they decide and grant leases. Also GEC which runs election. HkCaGu (talk) 11:49, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Guampedia images on Flickr
If you ever see any images uploaded by the Guampedia Foundation that are on Flickr, and you think they may be useful for Wikipedia and/or the Wikimedia Commons, contact the Flickr account to see if the images have been taken by Guampedia. If the have been taken by Guampedia employees, Guampedia will relicense them to Creative Commons so they may be used on Wikipedia. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:10, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

San Gabriel Valley
I am sorry it is not clear that "whole cities are not what is meant. SEctions of cities, most certainly many on Valley Blvd. I live right there, near the former Alpha Beta in Rosemead. I would very much like more input from you if I get more support on the delete page. Altho all my neighbors are Chinese, I would not call my neighborhood Chinatown! Thank you for your remarks. I will need to clarify that point!  Namaste...DocOfSoc (talk)

Help! BA to SJU!
Many people continue to insist that BA to SJU is a resumption. BA LEFT SJU over 10 years ago! Resumed should not be used at all. THis is getting old, help please. Look at WP:AIRPORT's discussion page. This needs to stop. It is New. Simple as that. Thanks T ofutwitch11 ''' (T ALK ) 17:19, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

OAK: thanks for the help
These last few days have been busy for us on the OAK page regarding SWA destinations. Thank you for keeping an eye out.Min1Phoeb2 (talk) 11:29, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

KLM service to Xiamen
A user continue to add Xiamen as a destination to KLM destinations however, I continue to remove it as "mid-2011" is NOT a date. Snoozlepet (talk) 19:07, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Re: November 2010
What type of 'vandalism', as defined by Wikipedia, was my editing considered to be? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Douglas the Comeback Kid (talk • contribs) 23:38, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Airport Names

 * I have added an exhaustive list for discussing the contentious airports here. Please contribute and provide any suggestions / additions etc. Thanks, jasepl (talk) 16:44, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Guam Hospital
If it's created again, I'll delete and protect against recreation  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  13:05, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

SNA
I'm not going to change it further, but just FYI: Whatever the listing in the table, Orange is a whole county, not a city from any angle. Santa Ana is the largest city and county seat of Orange. jasepl (talk) 05:14, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The city is Santa Ana (hence the airport code of SNA); the 9th largest in California
 * This city is located in Orange County
 * Orange is one of the 58 counties in the state of California
 * Everyone markets SNA as Orange County. Orange County is akin to Los Angeles (as in Santa Ana akin to Westchester). People say "flying to Orange County", "Orange County Airport" and never "Santa Ana Airport" or "Santa Ana's Airport"--unlike how they address BUR, ONT, or LGB. HkCaGu (talk) 05:36, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Southwest Airlines destinations
Thanks, I have reported him. Tofutwitch11 - Chat - How'd I do?   02:21, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Tofutwitch11 - Chat - How'd I do?   02:25, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Airports in Madrid
In addition to the Madrid-Barajas Airport (MAD / LEMD), Madrid has three other airports open to civilian traffic: the Madrid-Torrejón Airport (TOJ / LETO), the Madrid-Cuatro Vientos Airport (MCV / LECU) and Getafe Air Base (LEGT).


 * Madrid-Torrejón is an Air Base open to civilian traffic (as well as other airports in Spain like Murcia-San Javier, Salamanca, León, Valladolid, and Badajoz). It is open to civilian small-sized aircraft, primarily those that can not operate in Madrid-Barajas. Severeal years ago, when Madrid-Barajas was full of capacity, it had regular passenger flights by Air Truck/Navarra and AIRCAT, but the extension of Madrid-Barajas, poor facilities at Madrid-Torrejón and bad communications in TOJ caused the closure of the scheduled passenger lines, though the airport is still entitled to receive scheduled passenger flights.


 * Madrid-Cuatro Vientos airport is the oldest in Madrid. Due to the small size of the track and its location within the city it has severe operational restrictions (being open only during daylight hours) and also, it is poorly served by public transport to the city, so is unattractive to airlines. However, is still entitled to receive scheduled passenger flights and is the only airport in Madrid opened to helicopter flights.


 * Getafe Air Base is only open to civilian cargo flights, mostly directed to the aeronautical industrial zone next to it (mainly cargo flights for Airbus, Airbus Military, CESA and Raytheon).

Bye!. Felipealvarez (talk) 09:10, 10 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I must have expressed myselff wrong. By Civilian I meant scheduled commercial passenger flights. Noticet that all four Madrid Airports have strong military & state (non-scheduled by its nature) presence, hence the reason why I had said that they were civilians. Felipealvarez (talk) 12:02, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Response to Non-domestic hubs
As in our previous discussions you are clever and very well-reasoned. I will defer to your good judgment and knowledge of facts on this topic because you are well learned about U.S. nationals. Thanks for your insight. --Inetpuppy (talk) 07:09, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Might you please try to stop the vandalism on the Albert Pyun page.
Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mostchin32 (talk • contribs) 20:45, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Airport destination listing
Another set of topics:


 * 1) "Serves" field in the airport inbobox can be wrong, as you have said for Orio al Serio Airport wich server Bergamo and not Milano.
 * 2) Wikiproject conventions don't have to be followed by everyone, as no one has the obligation to join any wikiproject. I don't care about your conventions if they are against common sense and veracity.
 * 3) Airlines really fly to Airports and not to the City Downtown. If the Airport has a different common name that should be expressed. I've seen quite examples as East Midland instead of Nottigham/Derby; Tenerife South instead of Granadilla de Abona. Madrid has four airports, one of them placed at Barajas town wich is the only one with scheduled passenger operations as whose name is Madrid-Barajas. Beauvais airport is placed at Tillé (not at Beauvais), hence the name Beauvais-Tillé, there is only one airport but with a complex name.
 * 4) There is quite totally erroneous destination listed as Arrecife or Las Palmas de Gran Canaria, confusing them with Lanzarote and Gran Canaria, wich are the real destination served.
 * 5) I've tried to presume good faith, but the only thing that I see is that a small group of wikiusers have usurped the property of some articles regarding airports, in which they insist in including absurd things and they show that have little knowledge of European geography.

Bye!. Felipealvarez (talk) 09:29, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Delta hubs
One user removed CVG, AMS, and CVG as Delta hubs as their are clearly listed on their website. HELP! Snoozlepet (talk) 14:23, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but those ARE NOT Delta hubs! Speed74 (talk) 14:24, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes that ARE! see this . we strive to be accurate here, and since we have a reference, we cannot go against it.  T ofutwitch11 ''' (T ALK ) 20:13, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * As my roommate, who is taking a Wiki-break, used to say. Delta is boasting to overstate their dominance. If a carrier is distorting facts to boost their appeal (for marketing purposes) as it the case for CDG (and perhaps AMS), I think there is a serious problem. As for CVG, it should be downgraded to a Delta Connection hub because of the loss of the lions share of mainline service and complete loss of a widebody crewbase. --Inetpuppy (talk) 05:38, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Inetpuppy; it may be that in a Delta news article AMS and CDG are refered to as "hubs", but this does not make them DL Hubs by law and definition. Speed74 (talk) 17:54, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing Southwest Airlines destinations
Yeah, it was silly of me to strikeout focus cities for WN. I should have just removed it. But then again, someone could cry bloody murder. Well, you are nice for fixing. Thanks! --Inetpuppy (talk) 05:29, 15 December 2010 (UTC)