User talk:Hojuhanguk

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I just saw a notification that you made on a user whose talk page a watch about the group ICIWORLD and a potential meetup in real life. Please do not send such messages via Wikipedia talk pages. Wikipedia cannot be used as a way to promote outside activities or events, no matter whether the invitation is for commercial or non-commercial purposes. User talk pages are to be used for communicating issues necessary for the growth of the encyclopedia. Ideally, you should now go and remove all of those invitations from the pages you posted them on. Thank you for understanding. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:22, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * the purpose of those messages is solely to provide a medium in which to grow the encyclopaedia. truth be told, I thought that perhaps there may be some issues with such a meet up, but wasn't sure. I will happily delete/edit them if required.  Am I allowed to use email as a way to talk with fellow Wikipedians so that we can collaborate and work together to further information that we are all interested in? If so I will simply edit those posts on talk pages, if not, I will happily delete them, thanks for bearing with me.ICIWORLD (talk) 06:47, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Conflict of interest
Hi, I also saw one of your talk page notifications. You said that your organization "promotes the exchange and development of accurate Korean historical information around the world" and that you want to "do this through wikipedia." You also said "we can see if we can all try and formulate a plan to contribute to wikipedia together and for you to be rewarded for editing. " I don't know what your plans are, but if you are thinking of doing either one of these things, please understand we do not allow these practices. Please be careful not to do them. Other than that, I am glad you want to encourage people to edit Wikipedia, and indeed I hope we will be as accurate in our history articles as possible and welcome any verifiable and reliable corrections you have to offer. If you have any questions about what I said or anything else, please feel free to ask and I will do the best I can to help. Thanks for your understanding and your participation in Wikipedia, -- Joren (talk) 07:07, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Rewarding people for editing on Wikipedia will present a conflict of interest. We try our best to be a neutral encyclopedia, so giving people compensation for editing for an organization is not allowed.
 * Gathering people to promote a particular point of view or sway consensus is what we call canvassing or WP:COI. Even though you only want to inform and educate people, others who are not part of your organization may not understand your intentions, and it may seem overly promotional, so that is why we try not to do that.
 * thanks again for your advice. By reward I meant we are able to issue people that spend time updating Korean based articles with Certificates of Volunteer for the time that they have spent doing so. I don't want to "canvass" or sway people to a particular side or view-point. Our aim is to simply produce more articles with more information about Korea. Of course we expect the information to not be biased and to always be neutral. Thanks again for informing me of that previously unknown information, I look forward to improving wikipedia articles with valid references information. If I need any assistance I will no doubt use you as my second point of contact-after consulting the help pages that is.ICIWORLD (talk) 07:30, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Iciworld, thanks for your reply (btw - I'm not the same person as Qwyrxian, above) I saw that you removed the notices, and I want to thank you for taking action so quickly to avoid any misunderstandings.  I am glad we were able to understand each other.
 * BTW - have you talked with people at WikiProject Korea? That seems to be the best forum to coordinate improving Korea-related articles -- they might even give barnstars if they use them, I dunno (they are like the Wikipedia version of certificates).  If your goal is to make the articles better I am sure they will be happy to advise :)
 * -- Joren (talk) 10:27, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * thanks for everyone's assistance. The wikipedia barnstars sound like a good idea. I was previously unaware of them. I hope that I can simply use the Project Korea forum and work through that to improve wikipediaICIWORLD (talk) 08:49, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Username block
Your username may be blocked any moment as Wikipedia prohibits user names representing organisations. Kindly choose another username and discard this username as soon as possible. Kindly do read our Username policy whenever possible so that the new username you choose adheres to Wikipedia's username policy. If you need any assistance or clarification, feel free to drop into my talk page and leave a message. Regards.  Wifione    .......  Leave a message  15:14, 16 December 2010 (UTC) Your account has been blocked indefinitely from editing Wikipedia because it appears to be mainly intended or used for publicity and/or promotional purposes. Please read the following carefully.

Why can't I edit Wikipedia?

Your account's edits and/or username indicate that it is being used on behalf of a company, group, celebrity or other well-known individual, or organization for purposes of promotion and/or publicity. The edits may have violated one or more of our rules on spamming, which include: adding inappropriate external links, posting advertisements, and using Wikipedia for promotion. Wikipedia has many articles on companies, groups, and organizations, but it is considered inappropriate for such groups to use Wikipedia to write about themselves. In addition, usernames like yours are disallowed under our username policy.

Probably not. See WP:FAQ/Organizations for a helpful list of frequently asked questions by people in your position. Also, review the conflict of interest guidance to see the kinds of limitations you would have to obey if you did want to continue editing about your company, group, or organization. If this does not fit in with your goals, then you will not be allowed to edit again. Consider using one of the many websites that allow this instead.
 * Am I allowed to make these edits if I change my username?

You are still welcome to write about something other than your company or organization. If you do intend to make useful contributions on some other topic, you must convince a Wikipedia administrator that you mean it. To that end, please do the following:
 * What can I do now?


 * Add the text on your user talk page.
 * Replace the text "Your proposed new username" with a new username you are willing to use. See Special:Listusers to search for available usernames. Your new username will need to meet our username policy.
 * Replace the text "Your reason here" with your reason to be unblocked. In this reason, you must:
 * Convince us that you understand the reason for your block and that you will not repeat the edits for which you were blocked.
 * Describe in general terms the contributions that you intend to make if you are unblocked.

If you believe this block was made in error, please see how to appeal a block. TN X Man 15:11, 16 December 2010 (UTC)


 * (I am not the user being blocked) - Ok, I can see now that ICIWORLD's name fails username policy because it is the same name as a real-world organization. However, blocking based on spam seems a bit late in the game; the user voluntarily and swiftly took action to remove his/her own postings once the user realized they were against policy.  The user has also indicated the main goal is to improve articles rather than promote the organization.  I agree the username needs to be changed, but I would ask the administrators involved to find a way to recognize the effort apparently made to comply with policy and not to bite the newcomer.
 * -- Joren (talk) 20:30, 16 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Where's the biting? This is a standard block notice in this situation and contains instructions for requesting to be unblocked to request a change of user name. – ukexpat (talk) 21:52, 16 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Eh, it's just seemed a little odd to block for spamming after the user had self-reverted their talk postings and expressed a desire to conform with policy. Putting myself in their shoes, it would feel like biting.  Blocking for username policy violation is justified and understandable, but going after the self-reverted talk postings just seemed a little off.
 * -- Joren (talk) 22:38, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I see that this is the template used for all username policy violations. Fair enough, I should have checked that first before I said anything.  Still, I wonder if it could be handled or worded differently for cases like this?  Just to recognize that they have taken steps is all I'm asking.  I guess my participation here fulfills that role; ok then, I won't bite the admin :)
 * -- Joren (talk) 22:48, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * May I also note here that the blocking administrator specifically took care to undertake a soft block disabling the autoblock. That's the maximum leniency shown to editors with corporate usernames. Regards.  Wifione    .......  Leave a message  08:31, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * thanks to the fellow Wikipedians that have also talked about this topic, I didn't realise that what I was going was in violation to any code of conduct, and promptly undid all of the 20 or so messages that I had written (in the best intentions, but inevitably, wrong). I have requested that my name be changed, I would also like to reiterate that I have at no time tried to write anything that was not NPOV, nor written about this organisation. In fact same edits and talks that I have contributed in have been regarding bias TOWARDS Korea. I am not sure when my unblock will come into effect, but I am a bit annoyed that it was enacted in the first place, my first mistake, that brought attention to the mods was fixed immediately, if this had been brought to my attention, I would undoubtedly have rectified the situation immediately. Finally, although I have requested a name change, the name that I was or am currently using til the name change comes into effect is not the name of any organisation, it is simply the name of the website address that the organisation i work for uses... but alas, I have requested the change and anticipate my unblocking to come as soon as possible. Thanks.ICIWORLD (talk) 08:56, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to clarify that I'm not a mod, just a fellow Wikipedian :) Glad you will be able to get a new username and be able to participate,
 * -- Joren (talk) 19:31, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * This is a bit bloody ridiculous, the alleged reason that I was blocked in the first time was for supposedly creating an account for promotional or publicity purposes, which is completely false, this was based on me creating a name that was incorrectly assumed to be based on a real-life organisation, when in actual fact it was merely similar, secondly, I never edited any information pertaining to this company, so it is inarguable that I neither promoted or publicised anything based on my name, the only thing that i ever did wrong was message people in the history group to discuss ways of furthering wikipedia-which I found out was wrong, and immediately rectified the situation, since then my name has been changed, but I am still blocked although really it was unnecessary and overkill. I am simply trying to create more content on Korea.  If it is the prerogative of some admins to go around blocking people for the slightest violation then you need to go and have a look at why you use wikipedia and why you are a "mod".

I don't think I need to reiterate this anymore, but it is plain and simple idiotic of you to go around blocking users who have wikipedia's best interests at heart. I don't know about all this code bullshit and appealing this and applying for that and the whatnot, I simply want to use my experience and knowledge on this topic to make it better for readers, so as soon as you finish work at the TSA for the day can the original "mod" unblock me, or would someone who realises my plight please unblock me, or even someone who can tell me the simplest way to do so please do so, so that I can go back and edit wikipedia and make it better not worse, churr.Hojuhanguk (talk) 02:49, 24 December 2010 (UTC)


 * You do not appear to be blocked. Here is your block log.  Unless I'm missing something, you should be able to edit...  what message do you see?  What is it that you're trying to do that you can't?
 * -- Joren (talk) 05:23, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, and if you do get logged in as ICIWORLD somehow, it's gonna show up as blocking you, so you'll need to sign off and sign on again.
 * -- Joren (talk) 05:26, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it just expired... it said that the Ip was the same for the old name, and that i needed to unblock it, it also had a time stamp that said it would expire today at some time, which it apparently has... cool thanks againHojuhanguk (talk) 05:30, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * That does actually happen sometimes; if you happen to share an IP with lots of other people and one of them vandalizes and gets blocked as an anonymous user... then Wikipedia has no way to know which person's using that IP. I think there's a way to make your account immune to IP blocks in cases where you're forced to share the same IP with lots of people; you have to ask an administrator or something...  If it happens again, let me know and I'll dig up where/how to ask for that.  I know this place can feel like a big jumble of acronym alphabet soup and it can seem rather impersonal at times, but thank you for sticking with it.  Your experiences now will help work with other users later who experience the same thing.  One reason I try to explain policies and stuff is b/c I kind of had to stumble into them myself and would rather save others the trouble.  Anyway, let me know if you see another IP block notice and we'll see what we can do.
 * -- Joren (talk) 05:39, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

NAME CHANGE

 * Hi ICIWORLD, just wanted to clarify (per Rich's talk) that you need to go to WP:Changing Username and personally request that it be changed. If you still want Hojuhanguk, since no one else has that name you can use the simple form at WP:Changing username/Simple and request it there.  Thanks!
 * -- Joren (talk) 21:08, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Userpage deleted content
I left a message for the administrator who deleted your userpage but he doesn't seem to want to restore it. Wikipedia has a strict policy against administrators undoing one another's actions (WP:Wheel warring) so I'm not going to jump in and undelete it, but here is the content of the old page in case you want to recreate it yourself: I will update this page as soon as possible. I work for a NPO that promotes Korean History and Culture around the world, and conducts youth exchange with Korea. My edits and contributions are all NPOV.

As I said over there, I don't think that has any content that violates the policy on user pages. If anyone thinks it does, they will have to take it to WP:MFD for debate if they want to have it deleted. r ʨ anaɢ (talk) 15:16, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I left a message too, I really couldn't remember anything that I had written on the talk page, but was a bit pissed off that it was deleted in its entirety without any ability to change and so called disallowed information. I appreciate you allowing me to repost what I had originally written. I have added to the talk page and explained a little bit more about things, but as you have already mentioned I also don't believe there is anything that violates the policy on user pages either.  Thanks for your assistance.ICIWORLD (talk) 00:34, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. By the way, you should update your signature so that it points to your current username (and doesn't leave "ICIWORLD" everywhere, which people might consider spamming). You can do this in your preferences page. r ʨ anaɢ (talk) 00:47, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't even realise that it was still leaving that signature, I just figured it would automatically update it, but thanks for pointing that out.Hojuhanguk 01:01, 22 December 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ICIWORLD (talk • contribs)


 * For some reason, you're still logged in as ICIWORLD... that's strange... I wonder if they renamed you properly?  Can you try something?  Please click here:  Special:UserLogout - this will log you out.  Then log back in as username "Hojuhanguk" and same password as you used before.  Then I guess someone will need to delete the old ICIWORLD.
 * -- Joren (talk) 03:24, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * weird... well i have done as you mentioned, so let's see if this has now worked out...(success checked the preview) thanks for all of your help.Hojuhanguk (talk) 06:41, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you using the username ICIWORLD on a different Wikipedia, like the Korean wiki? If you do, then if you edit that wiki and then come back here, it might log you back in as ICIWORLD again.  So you'll need to be careful and watch which one you're logged in as when you're editing the English Wikipedia.  You don't have to, but if you want, you could ask for a name change on the other wikis too, it might make it easier to avoid this.  Sorry for the inconvenience,
 * -- Joren (talk) 05:17, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't use that username on different Wikipedia.. I am not sure what the problem was but, delete the cache and cookies etc, relogged in and it seems to have been rectified...
 * Great! Thanks for your patience.  And again, feel free to participate in WikiProject Korea and ask/suggest how you can help out.
 * -- Joren (talk) 01:20, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I intend on updating all of the information for the Joseon Royal shrines as there is some incorrect information and overall a lot can be added to it... but apparently I am still blocked... Have I missed something, is there something that I need to still do, I thought that everything had been sorted out. Can you please let me know what I am now required to do? thanks,Hojuhanguk (talk) 02:41, 24 December 2010 (UTC)