User talk:HokieRNB/Archive 1

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 * Image:Tivo.png seems to be an unlicensed derivative work from the original Tivo logo, such as the one at Image:TivoLogo.png. Even if you start with a blank sheet of paper, and work freehand, you can't copy parts of another image. It is listed for speedy deletion. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 14:20, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

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Revert on Elder (Religious)

 * (cur) last 19:31, 14 November 2006 HokieRNB (Talk | contribs) (re-revert - this is not plagiarized, I developed the content in question and release it for use on wikipedia)
 * (cur) last 20:42, 13 November 2006 Hroðulf (Talk | contribs) (revert to Revision as of 06:40, 6 November 2006 by Andycjp - probable plagiarism - see http://www.theopedia.com/Elder, http://bowingdown.wordpress.com/2006/05/26/sheep-make-baaaaad-shepherds/,)
 * (cur) last 20:13, 13 November 2006 52.128.30.11 (Talk) (elder in the Bible)

response
Hroðulf - thanks for your enthusiastic defense of the content on the elder page, in making sure that it does not violate copyright violations. I assure you that I developed those thoughts myself, gave proper attribution to both the Scriptures and the external authors, and release them for use in both Wikipedia and on Theopedia as well. I understand they may not stand the test of time nearly as well in such a public and neutral forum, but I think they are a fine beginning of a biblical understanding of eldership and I look forward to seeing how they are developed here. Please let me know if you have additional concerns. Oh, and regarding the blogpost from http://bowingdown.wordpress.com/2006/05/26/sheep-make-baaaaad-shepherds, I hadn't seen that material before, but I think it's very well thought out and is good reading. I didn't however, see any connection that would make it appear it had been plagiarized. HokieRNB 18:41, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * No problem. Since HokieRNB at Theopedia had precedence over your anonymous contribution here, HokieRNB was entitled to proper attribution.  Since I guess both HokieRNBs are one and the same person, I think that is dealt with.
 * I have one remaining niggle, and that is: much of these seminary lecture notes so closely resemble your words (for example the list of qualifications is identical) that, at minimum, proper attribution of the source of the commentary should be acknowledged (is it you or Strauch or ...?)  We may even find out that the original commentary is not in the public domain nor subject to fair use. Sorry to be such a worry wort. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 19:18, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I should come clean and say that I am happy to see extensive copy and paste from public domain source—the lengthy quotes at Presbyterian polity are my doing. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 19:25, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

response 2
I understand your concern. The reality is that you won't find too many lists of qualifications that differ much because they are taken from the exact set of biblical passages, and when you use the same common translations (likely the NASB and ESV) you are quite likely to get identical lists. However, you have astutely observed in this case that they are in fact from the same source. The wording here was developed by the leadership at Grace Community Church and subsequently adopted into the proposed constitution for my home church. I would not be opposed to listing the 2006 notes as a resource. Our church documents need not be cited, we are glad to release them to the public domain. HokieRNB 19:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Sources should be always cited, even if they are released into the public domain. There is plenty of opportunity for independent authors to produce different results, even when reading the same bible translations: for example Strong's concordance comes up with different numbers for the occurances of the three Greek words.  Please remove the material and restore only freely licensed work with citations for the sources. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 14:20, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Copyright issues
Hroðulf - the more I read and discover, the more I'm frustrated by what can't be used on Wikipedia. While I have no choice to agree with you in terms of what needs to be deleted, I disagree in principle that the use of these images actually amounts to copyright infringement. The whole point of the use of logo images is to point people back to the products for which they were created. The one that really gets me boiling is G o o g l e ... give me a break. Sorry I just needed to vent. I submit. Please delete the images. HokieRNB 13:51, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm not an admin, so I can only delete links to images; not images themselves.  Once the tivo thing was tagged, a more powerful volunteer came along with a mop and cleaned up.  It looks like someone made an alternative for you: [[Image:Tivo.png|thumb|new more free [[:Image:Tivo.png|Tivo.png]]]]  It is ok to vent! Copyright law in some countries allows the defense against infringement of "fair use" or "fair dealing", but that is not for much more than "critical commentary" on the copyright material itself.  One of the five pillars is to create a free encyclopedia that anyone can use for any purpose, and the more unoriginal work that appears, even in user pages, the harder that task is.  In some cases I believe you were infringing, in other cases you were just contravening house rules that you were not aware of at the time. If you want to use logos to advertise Google or Firefox or most other good causes, you are better off getting your own website, where such things are usually allowed, because here, you can't use anything that isn't copyleft or free (libre). --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 14:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

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Grace Community Church (California)
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 * Virginia Tech colleges has also been proposed for deletion. NickelShoe (Talk) 08:17, 21 December 2006 (UTC)