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Nomination of List of Formula One Grand Prix Podiums for deletion
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Flags
By the way, I notice that in List of Formula One Grand Prix Podiums‎ you have used the San Marino flag to illustrate the San Marino Grand Prix. This is an incorrect usage of flags within wikipedia. The race was held in Italy and should be indicated with the Italian flag. This is similar for many other races like the European Grand Prix, many German Grands Prix that were held in West Germany, Luxembourg GP, some Swiss races and others. Riccardo Patrese did not become San Marinese when he won the San Marino Grand Prix, the same principal applies.

After all, you did not use the Indianapolis flag for the Indy 500, Dallas flag for Dallas Grand Prix, or invent flags for the Pacific, Pescara or Caesar's Palace Grands Prix etc. A single standard should be used for all races rather than one which is applied haphazardly.

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Nomination of V8X Magazine for deletion
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Proposed deletion of Timmy Hansen
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Re: Thanks
No problems. Learnt a bit doing the Nissan page which is always good. Kytabu Talk 10:18, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

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Re: V8 Supercars infobox race report
Thanks for the feedback on the V8s infobox, I did see your reply on the Project page but I'm going to wait a week from when I posted before implementing the new design in case anyone raises an objection.

Would be happy to help with an event infobox for the World RX. What were you thinking of in terms of layout and content? Kytabu Talk 06:57, 16 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I've just quickly put this together: User:Kytabu/sandbox3. Is that in the style of what you were looking for? It's based on the equivalent WRC infobox. Kytabu Talk 08:45, 16 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Alright, I will create the template page and start adding to the relevant articles. Kytabu Talk 08:56, 16 October 2015 (UTC)


 * No worries. Template:World_RX_event_report. I added it to the Portugal round as I had already completed that anyway. Happy editing! Kytabu Talk 09:01, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

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WRX and ERX
Hi, this may be helpful... ;-) RX-Guru (talk) 09:42, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the extra info, I appreciate this little token of information. As you've kindly done that I should probably explain my attitude towards Wiki editing in general: I personally hate it when things are - or seem - wrong in media (which this is), especially when it comes to motorsport; articles we've argued over are largely due to me being a perfectionist and an idealist (e.g. Spain vs. Barcelona). This usually leads to me getting quite protective over things that I personally think are set out in the best possible way, but sometimes aren't, and as a result I get quite annoyed when people interfere.
 * This link also reminded me to look into that image licensing issue at some point, which I completely forgot about - but like I said before, that isn't a necessity. Again, thanks for the link and I hope my explanation assists you in how to 'deal' with me being an unappreciative idiot sometimes. Hopefully it'll be a good year :-) Holdenman05 (talk) 11:17, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, and while I remember - do you think ERX event results should be included in the WRX event articles (where applicable) or not? The lower categories are too insignificant in the wider scheme of things to be included but maybe ERX? I'll leave that up to you. Holdenman05 (talk) 11:17, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * IMO ERX should better have its own articles, as most people don't understand the difference anyway. IMG have made it all a bit clearer now, but still not clear enough for the Rallycross laity. RX-Guru (talk) 09:19, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The issue with having event articles just about ERX is that it's information that can easily be covered in a WRX article as it's effectively been demoted to a support series, as it has no stand-alone events. Holdenman05 (talk) 03:31, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi, IMG has listed the Hungarian as "CSUCSU" for Belgium, possibly because they put his nick in the same columne as the family names of the drivers, which they all write with capital letters. I prefer "Csucsu" as well, but it could differ from the official ERX lists over the whole season... RX-Guru (talk) 08:03, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Driver order
Vandoorne follows Alonso, not Button because Vandoorne replaces Alonso. This was introduced when drivers adopted custom numbers - it was felt that there needed to be some way of discriminating as to who was in the car and when, so we use the rounds column for it.

Say for example that McLaren permanently replace Alonso and Button. Alonso is replaced by Vandoorne after Melbourne, and Button by de Vries after Silverstone. If you listed them chronologically, it would look like this:


 * Driver - Rounds
 * Alonso - 1
 * Button - 1-10
 * Vandoorne - 2-21
 * de Vries - 11-21

But if you do it based on which driver was in which car (don't forget Vandoorne inherits Alonso's power unit allocation), it looks like this:


 * Driver - Rounds
 * Alonso - 1
 * Vandoorne - 2-21
 * Button - 1-10
 * de Vries - 11-21

It makes it easier to follow which driver is in which car. Rossi joining Manor in 2015 is a prime example.

Also, you need to include references at the first mention of new content. Don't stick it in halfway down the page. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 11:48, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
 * If you look at my original edit, I put the reference next to Vandoorne's entry as opposed to where I ended up moving it. Like I said, I very much doubt the chassis used by Alonso in Australia will be used in Bahrain. I was not aware that he would use the 2nd of Alonso's allocation of engines (which isn't an appropriate regulation under these circumstances but that's not our problem). I would also like to point out that with your example it would be simple logic to deduce that VAN replaced ALO and DEV replaced BUT. Either way, I'm not going to change it as I have no intention of getting in too many arguments over the F1 articles - that's not my area of 'jurisdiction'. My other argument (the GP winners table) is down to consensus. Holdenman05 (talk) 05:15, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

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Nationality links
Hi Holdenman05. In the interest of saving you some effort, there's probably no point in you adding links to driver nationalities in infoboxes, like you did here, because another editor is just undoing them, e.g. here, quoting MOS:OVERLINK. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 02:52, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

RX events
Hi Holdenman05. Well I have not come across such a consensus. Many sport events here are updated during their duration, F1 after qualifying etc. Honestly I don't see the problem but feel free to tell me, no problem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hakulin (talk • contribs)

Joker Lap
Hi Holdenman, I have overworked and extended the term Joker Lap here, but wonder if it would be better to make an own WP article for it. As English is not my mother-tongue this is possibly a better job for you... However, I'm willing to help. For example to check out where and when the JL was driven first (defo in Denmark, but as a shorter lap). Remember for example that Portugal wanted to introduce the JL in the ERX, but was hindered by the FIA for the first year they had already produced a JL slope at Lousada. It needs also to be included that a jump starter gets the order to drive the JL more often than just once... RX-Guru (talk) 09:40, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I think you have explained it very well there. My personal opinion is that it should be incorporated into the Rallycross article's "Format" section - that whole article needs a cleanup done at some stage anyway. Holdenman05 (talk) 11:54, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

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Bathurst 1000 results
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What the Eff
Don't you DARE accuse me of puppeteering again. That was not me. They were arguing different points than I was. I will not stand for this sort of BS. Withdraw that accusation immediately. Argue the point, not the man. You can't do that, you shouldn't be here. --Falcadore (talk) 03:51, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * What the hell. Report me. I want you to do it. I want to see your "well trained eye" embarrassed when the first hurdle of the accusation - the IP check - turns up there to be no connection. Do it. Don't take my word it wasn't me, get Wikipedia to do it for you. --Falcadore (talk) 03:59, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * If I react strongly, I want you to know that I dislike like puppeteering immensely and I resent the hell out of any accusation that I would participate in such an activity. I have been editting Wikipedia since April 2007 and I have never once resorted to such a tactic. Even in instances when my log in has expired while writing I've gone back and editted the entry to restore my name to the edit. That you feel you could make up such an accusation while professing to know my editorial behavior well is quite insulting. I have never resorted to such underhanded tactics. I do not care a jot about my popularity within wikipedia. I do care about my integrity. I've always apologised where I've done wrong in the past and I've always argued the point and not the editor. I would have hoped someone professing to having a "well-trained-eye" would notice this. --Falcadore (talk) 04:13, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey guess what? Five minutes brief research should tell you the IP editor is actually User:Kytabu. Look at the edit history. Go on. --Falcadore (talk) 04:31, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * You know what, since you accuse me of not doing work on the articles in question, I'll do the work YOU SHOULD HAVE and show you where I base the previous upon.
 * If you look up the edit history of User:124.149.79.23 at you will see the first edit this IP made was to add the long wikibreak template at Talk:Kytabu. (see here). Now why is it more likely that I would make such an edit rather than Kytabu, another editor with an interest in the some topic?
 * Next time you make an accusation of someone, do them the common courtesy of the basic research behind the accusation first. Making an easily disproven snap accusation is worse behavior, and considering the additional accusation of doing no work is hypocritical as well as being lazy.
 * If you think I'm harping on too much, I want you to remember this so you won't do it to anyone again. --Falcadore (talk) 05:15, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Whilst I may have been in the wrong in this instance, you have on multiple occasions have displayed behaviour that shows ownership traits over articles. Whilst I may be fairly new compared to yourself, may I remind you that Wikipedia is indeed for all to edit and should be open to new ways of doing things. This reaction is, despite my initial claims, far from rational and I may seek action over your attempts to forcibly clear your name. Don't think for a moment I forget incidents like these. Holdenman05 (talk) 07:43, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * A little story for you. I used to work with teenage boys - I still do now, but not to the extent I used to. In that role, you very quickly learn their individual behaviours and their drive, whether it be physical, emotional or other. People's cyber behaviour - notably among boys - is incredibly consistent, no matter how many times you try to change IP or profile or whatever, as the personality will always win through. Your messages and the unsigned one seemed very similar, almost coincidental. I don't believe in coincidence. You get the picture. I, like a lot of Novocastrians, will not lie down to a fight and have a very sharp tongue, so consider yourself lucky I didn't follow through with reporting action. Maybe not such an easy thing for you to do considering you are a little older than the boys I used to work with, but I suggest the dominating personality many men like yourself carry as a stigma of the 80s and before - which has rubbed off on boys today - should be dropped for the benefit of others, definitely here but maybe also in personal life if it so affects there as well. Holdenman05 (talk) 08:22, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * You may be wrong, even with Kyatbu owning up to the post? Checked the time stamps, three hours before your most recent post.
 * In between the my first post and response, I butchered a job interview and so a bad day was being had.
 * I don't mind admitting I was a bullying victim in my childhood and that it has affected me later in life most notably when I am wrongly accused because of the powerlessness I experienced as a teenager. The lack or maturity of the above does shame me slightly.
 * I apologise for the vitriol in my responses, but backing down ain't in my nature either, and I would have appreciated some effort put in like a simple check of the edit history of the IP number as I take puppeteering quite seriously and it would have made the ownership of the unsigned response quite obvious.
 * I have also been backing away from Wikipedia for sometime as my original aims of working with wikipedia have been achieved and I will be better off without indulging the darker parts of my personality. As to ownership? Like I said, I'm all but done with wikipedia. Do what you like.
 * If you feel the need to go ahead with a report because the obvious eludes you, then fine. Consider myself lucky? Not in the slightest. Ownership of the edit has been established and it wasn't me. Luck won't play a part in any result. You still feel the need to mention it as a threat? Don't apologise then. I wouldn't respect it. --Falcadore (talk) 10:06, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

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Holdenman05 I got your message on my talkpage regarding removing AFD templates (which I have no idea what means) and "creating an article about yourself" - Which I actually didnt do. Someone else was working on this and asked me for help with facts and then I got involved but unfortunatly wiki seems to difficult to use. So a little help instead would be much appreciated. Several users have tried but it always ends up with something wrong. Just wanted to help -Thankyou — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ole Kristian Temte (talk • contribs) 11:29, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

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FIA Formula 2 Championship related edits
Hello! Please stop adding FIA Formula 2 Championship tables and statistics, it's against our consensus and practice. Also it is preliminary because we didn't separated GP2 and F2 articles. We never add the tables before the first race of the season. Corvus tristis (talk) 08:29, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * What consensus? I've nosed around these articles for quite a while and a consensus is non-existent. I was even thanked for my edits to Câmara's article. Don't act all false about it, just because you were slow to the party. I tend not to get involved elsewhere for this reason - muppets like yourself who believe they control articles and series; consider yourself added to the list. Holdenman05 (talk) 00:42, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Did you ever seen F1 tables to be added in the drivers' articles prior the season started without being reverted? That's the indication of consensus. Also your insulting shows that you failed to reason your position. The fact that somebody thanked you for it doesn't make this table necessary prior the finish of the first race of 2017 FIA Formula 2 Championship. I haven't competed with you for adding the table to Camara's article or for the like, if it was neccesary I can easily made that in the exact week when it was announced. Also it is really pity that you are making edits just for likes (If it's really matter, it's not hard for me to thank your edits too, just make the useful edits and don't cry). Corvus tristis (talk) 05:15, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm on Wiki for the likes, really? If you immediately jump to the conclusion that anyone is in this for the recognition then I seriously think you are in the wrong place and have the wrong idea about the work we do here. You flatter yourself, and falsify the idea of what we work for. The appreciation I get for making that edit suggests to me (as it does for anyone) that I am doing the correct thing, and the fact that you have removed it proves you are in the wrong. If anything, you are the one having a cry. So go on, try changing what I do - just know that if you do we will ban you for edit warring because you know I'm doing the right thing. Holdenman05 (talk) 05:27, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Where I said about anyone? The conclusion was about you personally. It seems that you have read something other than I wrote. The appreciation of one user doesn't prove anything. You added the table the month before the finish of the first race. Anything can happen. For example, Robert Kubica crashed in the Rally in February 2011, but he had a contract in F1. What the sense was in the table prior that crash? Some drivers have contracts but loosing their funding prior the season, the round may be removed from the calendar, etc. So we certainly must wait for the finish of the first race. It's a results table, if it doesn't contain a result than what the purpose of the table? We already have the information that the driver will compete in the championship in the infobox and in the word form in the article. If you do the right thing than why are you afraid to ask about it in WP:MOTOR? Corvus tristis (talk) 06:32, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I suppose your level of perception isn't great, so I'll spell it out for you - being right doesn't mean that you must be correct, something which the much-disputed COMMONNAME is an example of. No-one could have predicted what happened to Kubica, we just used the information we have at our disposal which was that he was competing in the F1 season at that point in time. As for WP:MOTOR, you don't always need a consensus to come up with a useful conclusion. Holdenman05 (talk) 01:06, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I said that your feeling that you are doing the right thing, because it's the opinion of you and someone, it's not the ultimate truth (it will be the correct thing if you have added it after the finish of the first race). If you have a dispute about something than you should seek consensus. Because if you restore Camara's table now it will be a first act of edit war in which I haven't any desire to contest. I will just report on you. Why it's so hard to answer about purpose of the results table prior the finish of the first race when the table doesn't contain any results? If you provide valid arguments than I will understand and support your position. I assume that you are not familiar with WP:Crystal. Corvus tristis (talk) 04:34, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I have a crystal clear understanding of WP:CRYSTAL and including a line in a table for something that to all intents and purposes is going to happen is not a CRYSTAL contender. People know from a statistical standpoint that they will compete in the series that season. Seeing as there is nothing in the table would suggest to a reader that the season hasn't started yet, which it hasn't. As I have already stated, we are using the information and resources we have to come to a necessary conclusion - and in this case that conclusion is that Câmara, Gelael, Leclerc and everyone else you removed my edits from is competing in the 2017 F2 season. Also, I'm not suggesting that what is included is necessarily the ultimate truth (i.e. what is correct) - you are guilty of that yourself with VAR in Italian F4. You are trying to argue against logic, and logic is rarely beaten. Holdenman05 (talk) 09:34, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

CSR v Team 18
I have noticed that you have changed my Team 18 edits in the 2016 and 2017 V8 Supercars/Supercars pages. Everything I have read from 2016 so far states the team has been called Team 18. Team 18 is the entry name, Preston Hire Racing is the sponsor name, therefore Team 18 should be used unless you can find any current source that still calls the team Charlie Schwerkolt Racing. Or at least explain why you are so opposed to the Team 18 name. JRam Wiki (talk) 06:12, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Racing license
Hello! FYI, the same team may enter under different racing license usually for sponsorship reasons. For example, in 2008 Arden entered under Dutch racing license in GP2 Series, as well as in 2016, Campos Racing under Indonesian racing license. We don't use flagicon of country where placed the team's headquarters. Corvus tristis (talk) 12:43, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I need more proof than a one line entry list. They can often be incorrect, as was the case with this years' World RX - with Guy Wilks team accidentally listed as Latvian as opposed to British. Holdenman05 (talk) 00:39, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * If it was a mistake of the promoter than we wiil change it back to Dutch, now you hadn't any proofs that they will participate these year in Italian F4 Championship under the Dutch racing license. Corvus tristis (talk) 05:24, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Apart from the fact that they are indeed a Dutch team. We use the information as we get it - and there is clearly more evidence to prove that they are a Dutch team than an Azeri one. Holdenman05 (talk) 01:08, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Formula One drivers from
Hello. Please, stop edit war. Discuss it initially at WP:F1. Corvus tristis (talk) 10:21, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Like you said, it's only an edit war if you change it again. Holdenman05 (talk) 10:22, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
 * It is already an edit war, as you basically reverting my edits without waiting of the opinions of other users on this problem. Corvus tristis (talk) 10:26, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

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FIA prefix
The "FIA" prefix is necessary. Although the article is called 2017 Formula One season, it is named that way because it addresses all Formula One racing in a year (yes, I know that the World Championship is the only Formula One racing in the year, and yes I think that's the most ridiculous argument ever). Formula 2 only supports the World Championship&mdash;or, to give its proper name, the FIA Formula One World Championship. It doesn't support any Formula One racing outside the championship. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 09:51, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

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De vs. de in Belgium, not in Holland!
Voor het eerst denk ik, dat je niet eens de Nederlandse taal beheerst. Voor het tweede ben ik vrij zeker dat je nog nooit een EK of WK Rallycross wedstrijd live gezien hebt. Dus vertel maar liever aan iemand anders dat je weet wat je doet. Je bent toch niets anders dan een RX fan die zijn infos uit de diverse media haald. Feit is dat De Keersmaecker en De Ridder zich zelfs met groote D schrijven. En niet, omdat ze te stom zijn hun eigen familie naam te spellen! RX-Guru (talk) 10:31, 30 April 2017 (UTC) PS: No wonder that you have always probs with other WP users being busy with Rallycross things, when acting like Wikipedia is yours.
 * I don't speak the language so I have no idea what you said, but my family is from Dutch Limburg, and they refer to the language as Flemish. 'De', 'Van' and other surname prefixes are only capitalised when the forename is not used, e.g. Shane van Gisbergen vs. Van Gisbergen. The other time this is used when the surname begins after the end of a sentence. Seeing as the full names are used, the prefixes are lowercase. I don't think you realise that German is not the same as Dutch or Flemish yourself. As for your complaint, I am going off personal information and the references were not linked, so there is no argument here. The same goes for (inevitably) VW - and similarly WRX Austria - as they fall under COMMONNAME. One of you changed Mr O'Donovan under this criteria, so you have no argument there either. I don't make the rules, I just follow them. Holdenman05 (talk) 10:39, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I myself can speak and write Dutch fluently. Here and here are the links that have shown up in red before. The language for The Netherlands and the Flemish part of Belgium is both Dutch, the old terms are Northern Dutch for Holland and Southern Dutch (aka Flemish) for Belgium, but the differences are more than many may think. In Dutch Limburg (just a 10kms drive from my doorsteps) they speak Limburgs, which is no language, but only a dialect. I agree, the people in Holland would write de Keersmaecker and de Ridder, but the people in Belgium write De Keersmaecker and De Ridder, like the two guys do themselves, as to be seen on their own Facebooks. Or do you think they are just too dumb to spell their own names? Or should they follow the rules in The Netherlands, because the Dutch know better what to do? However, I'm no longer interested to deal with Rallycross "fans" who think they know all, because they get their info from all kind of media rather than having insider knowledge or being to the WRX and ERX venues themselves. Therefore, go on and do what you want, I will not interfere any longer. RX-Guru (talk) 11:24, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

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Block for alleged sock puppetry
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REALTIME
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My advice to you
If I may return the favor, next time you remove content as a result of a discussion it might be helpful to add in your edit summary that there was a discussion, so that you don't look like you are removing content because you think you know better, the same goes for if you remove content due to a wiki(project) policy. Also please don't assume that just because I am younger I am unable to take criticism, don't stereotype, my age is irrelevant, it is about my expirence, after 18 months I know how wikipedia works, just because I reverted your removal of content, (for which you didn't give a good justification until after several reverts) doesn't mean I think I know better because frankly from my point of view it looked like you were the one who thought they knew better. We are both equally responsible for the edit war, don't blame it on me because of my age. SSSB (talk) 10:31, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Check before you remove content
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Speedy deletion nomination of Marta García (racing driver)


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Flags, again
MOS:FLAG: please see edit summary. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 22:35, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, and please don't do this ghettoization of women. There is no such thing as a "female racing driver"--I assume you don't write up "male racing drivers"? If you want to add that list, which can certainly serve a purpose, do it in the See also section or something like that. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 22:41, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
 * There's no "ghettoization". There are articles and everything is linked in the most efficient way, as has been done with every single driver article ever created - that's how Wikipedia works. And as for the template flags, see Template:Red Bull Air Race World Series Pilots - I'm hardly the first to do it. Bear in mind also that if you decide to revert my edits on the drivers you will trigger 3RR as you initiated the changes and I will pull you up for it as you are clearly following your own agenda. Have a nice day. Holdenman05 (talk) 09:10, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Feel free to do that. In the meantime I'll point you more specifically to WP:INFOBOXFLAG. For wikilinking country names, see MOS:OVERLINK. And I think I know a bit about how Wikipedia works. Putting "female" in the lead as an adjective, and not doing so for men, that is ghettoizing women. You're welcome to read up on the last time a thing like that happened; it is a matter that you will be welcome to defend in a broader forum. Drmies (talk) 14:24, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * You'll have to do more than say "nonsensical argument": you need to have an actual argument that allows you to counter policy and common sense. And I'll drop a warning template below for this condescending comment toward User:Checkpoint10. Drmies (talk) 14:28, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * My problem is people like yourself who have not done an ounce of research into WP:MOTOR, relating what we do and how we work. You're more than welcome to try and "fix" other people's "mistakes", but you're eventually going to end up pissing off a bigger fish in this community with your standover tactics and those people will argue much harder than I'm going to. You talk about "ghettoization" (if you want nonsensical terms, that's a perfect one - a very loose manipulation of the Collins/Cambridge dictionary) but what you do to perceived 'lesser users' is hardly any better. Holdenman05 (talk) 22:35, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * If MOTOR works in a way that marks female racing drivers by their gender in the opening line, and doesn't do the same thing for men, then MOTOR needs to change that. As for ghettoization being a "nonsensical term": the OED cites an example from 1939 already. If you spend a bit more time in the world at large, and maybe a bit less on MOTOR which I'm sure you know well enough, you would become an even better editor. Drmies (talk) 00:45, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

May 2019
Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Miki Koyama. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 14:29, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hardly an attack. If you bothered to read the other pages before editing them you'd see they are well sourced and informed, unlike this one. I did not create that particular one for a reason, and I use the following example where Marta García (racing driver) would be considered as notable but has been removed on multiple occasions whereas Vivien Keszthelyi and Amna Al Qubaisi are much less notable and very obviously self-made and yet do not attract criticism. Holdenman05 (talk) 22:38, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * "Put some effort into your research son" is very much an attack: it's a condescending and uncollegial comment, and in that edit summary it's a permanent black eye. Drmies (talk) 00:47, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

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Marta García
Hello. I see at 2019 W Series section “Championship standings” that Marta García has no article. My English is not very good and I see you have created several articles about drivers so, will you please create Marta García article? Thank you --83.59.222.111 (talk) 01:38, 7 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Maybe its easier if you copy/translate from Spanish https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marta_García_López

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MfD nomination of Template:User WP Maldonado
Template:User WP Maldonado, a page which you created or substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Miscellany for deletion/Unused Migrated Userboxes and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Template:User WP Maldonado during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:22, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Max Pucher for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Max Pucher is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Max Pucher until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished. Walt Yoder (talk) 04:45, 4 April 2023 (UTC)