User talk:Holderca1/Archive 4

U.S. Roads Newsletter, Issue 1

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Speedy deletion of Template:FLRouteBox
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Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 02:51, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Feel free to delete sooner if you so desire, this template is no longer used or needed and has been replaced by infobox road. --Holderca1talk 17:32, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

TX Hwy assessments
I noticed that you've been doing some housekeeping on TX highways and their assessments. I have been tackling unassessed & unclassified articles for WP:TX so you've probably noticed my assessments. I want you to know that when doing assessments on highways I deferred to the Hwy project's assessment, if it was a "start" I made TX a start too. Rarely did I assess differently, I did scan each article but still I deferred to Hwy since I felt they know the standards better than I. I hope that I didn't create more work for you in the process. Jacksinterweb (talk) 17:09, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * No extra work at all, the highway articles have enough work to keep me busy. During reassessing the articles, I have went ahead and changed the WP:Texas tag as well, hope that is okay.  Once the articles are up to a quality B-class, I am going to submit to WP:GAR where it would be a GA-class across the board anyways.  --Holderca1talk 17:14, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Of course that is ok, I was just concerned that I might have been stepping on toes. Like I said, I generally defer to the parent project's assessment so any changes made to TX project is fine.  Jacksinterweb (talk) 17:26, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Template:Mi-km
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Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 21:19, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

AARoads
I believe it to be a really reliable source for interstate highways. I personally contribute pictures and other info to their site. But it has about 25-30 individuals who are extreme road geeks who spend countless hours updating their site, and making sure things are accurate and up to the minute. They also cite their sources like anyone on wikipedia would expect. I don't know how you would say AARoads is not reliable. Other than federal transportation logs, I don't know anyother place where you can get that amount of info on the interstate highways. -Airtuna08 (talk) 21:11, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Then by that logic we should be finding original sources for everything. All secondary sources come from a primary source. And AARoads is a secondary source. The difference between AARoads and Wikipedia is that AARoads only focuses on roads, and their contributors are experts on the subject. Some who contribute to Wiki roads are, but many are not. Anyone can sign up for an account with Wiki, that isn't so with AARoads. Not just you, but I really believe you guys are mistaken about AARoads, and I have already brought it up on the Interstate talk page. -Airtuna08 (talk) 17:27, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter - Issue 2

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Speedy deletion of Template:USRD-AIDvoter
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Re: Automatic centering of text on templates
Hey, I saw that you asked how Mr. Matté how he fixed the text to be automatically centered regardless of the number in one of the requests I just archived. If he was using Inkscape, there are three buttons that appear when editing text - one for each standard justification (left, right, and center). He then pressed the button for "center justification" (which messes up the text placement temporarily) then recentered the text onto the Texas outline and saved, thus creating the automatically centered text. Hope that helps, T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 20:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

List of Farm to Market Roads in Texas
What do you think about filling in all those red links? Basketball 110  what famous people say  19:24, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure, if that's what you want to do. --Holderca1talk 21:21, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

News articles
- you can usually get the useful parts of the articles by searching for known text. --NE2 02:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Westheimer Road and F.M. 1093
I do not appreciate you deleting my contributions to the Westheimer Road article. The reason why the non-F.M. 1093 portions of Westheimer Rd. was added by me to the table was because someone merged Westheimer Rd. and F.M. 1093, which, while they run concurrently, are not the same road. Unless someone unmerges those articles, then my contributions should remain. --WisTex (talk) 22:06, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The title of the article is "Farm to Market Road 1093." If the section of Westheimer Road that isn't designated FM 1093 is notable enough to have its own article, then that is where such information should be located.  If its not, then I'm sorry, there really isn't a place for that information.  There are many roads that continue even though a state highway designation ends.  See WP:USST for more guidance on city streets.  --Holderca1talk 22:13, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * If you have ever driven down Westheimer Road, you will see how notable it is, and that it is a major commerce section of town that extends for the full length of Westheimer Road. It also have historical significance as mentioned in the Westheimer Road article and talk pages. --WisTex (talk) 22:26, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * If you feel it meets the notability guidelines here: USST, then by all means create the separate article. --Holderca1talk 23:24, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Arkansas state shields
I thought Arkansas still uses normal state shields. There is no signs of neutral shields I thouhgt. I'm still having trouble finding the specs, but I think they look much like California or Arizona shields. Isnt User:O an adim or not because I dont see him on admin list. Anyways does admins get certain salary for working on Wiki? -- Freewayguy ( Meet ) 00:33, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Honestly, the state specific vs. neutral shields isn't that big of a deal. No, O isn't an admin, I believe he is an admin on the commons though.  Admins get paid the same amount as us regular editors.  --Holderca1talk 23:26, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Business plates
I'm not quite sure what the easiest way to fix California is. Currently Template:Jct/plate/CA/4 etc. redirects to Template:Jct/plate/4 etc. But state routes have separate plates, and when there are only state routes the plates aren't showing up:

I see that some states like NC have their own templates - do you think you can fix this, since I'm not sure of the best way? --NE2 14:07, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll take a look, its been a few months since I was messing around with the template. I'll have to figure out the method to my madness.  --Holderca1talk 14:11, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, I think it works now. You may want to take a look for any thing else special about California's banner routes to make adjustments since I am not familiar with them at all.  --Holderca1talk 14:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I think I fixed anything else (the shields are thinner). --NE2 14:40, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

There's a problem - see the extra lines on California State Route 25. --NE2 14:54, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

And lone non-SR shields get a blank image above:

--NE2 14:56, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmmm, lets see, listing out a couple of test cases to find the root of the problem:
 * --Holderca1talk 14:59, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * --Holderca1talk 14:59, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * --Holderca1talk 14:59, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * --Holderca1talk 14:59, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * --Holderca1talk 14:59, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, I am a bit stumped at the moment, you would think it would be a problem with Template:Jct/plate/CA, but Template:Jct/plate/CA/2 redirects to the first template, so you would expect both a single road and two roads to have the same problem. --Holderca1talk 15:05, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll have a look in a bit.
 * Okay, I think I fixed it, but I am still not completely sure why it was behaving the way it was, it should have affected double shields as well. --Holderca1talk 15:22, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much. --NE2 15:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

WT:USRD
Would you mind unconfusing me? -- K é iryn 20:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

U.S. Route 377 in Texas
Sorry, I didn't know that they were different junctions. I thought it was just a mistake. You should note that so no one else does the same thing. Also, I made and uploaded all of the shields for that page. --  Carpet master 101  04:17, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Once I get the mileage column filled out, it will be more clear, thanks for working the shields. --Holderca1talk 04:44, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Is a tunnel really a street?
I'm not sure that it makes sense to put Washburn Tunnel in USST; a street is a part of an urban environment that (usually) serves both to carry traffic and as a place for people to stroll. That doesn't really describe a tunnel, which is really a highway. It might describe some bridges. --NE2 21:19, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no idea, a state highway doesn't go through it. Trying to figure out the scope madness, I thought that only bridges/tunnels that carry roads that are within the scope of the state project would be included.  So I have no idea what to do with tunnels that don't.  We can add it back to TXSH, it doesn't bother me either way.  --Holderca1talk 21:23, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Texarkana's Loop
There were two templates because for a little while the template supported one type and one state but no more. --NE2 13:30, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

WP:LOTD
Congratulations on your recent successful WP:FL promotion. You may be interested in taking part in our experimental procedure for the selecting lists of the day and lists of the month at WP:LOTD.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 00:36, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Triple Crown
Did you know? ... that a wikipedian with a DYK, a GA and some sort of feature content (FA, FL, etc) can receive a triple crown award through WP:CROWN? Did you also know that a WikiProject with 5 or more members with TCs is eligible to receive a project-specific TC? You're eligible, so I wanted you to know. --Imzadi1979 (talk) 05:51, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I did not know that. --Holderca1talk 13:44, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Triple Crown
Thank you for contributions to the project, Great work, especially on List of Interstate Highways in Texas, quite comprehensive and meticulously sourced, at that. May you wear the crowns well. Cirt (talk) 10:32, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Template:Jct in Wisconsin (Bannered routes)
Hey, Could you take a peek at some samples I have at User:Master son/sandbox? There are a few fixes/adds that I would love to have done. You'll find details as to what's desired over there. I looked at the code to try to add them myself, but I really don't want to break a masterpiece :) thanks —  master son T - C 16:04, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Added them to User:Master son/sandbox - below each template example —  master son T - C 20:40, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * They look good, just one thing I noticed.

—  master son T - C 23:00, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Excellent - thanks for the help :D —  master son T - C 00:13, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

SR 118 west extension
I thouhgt the SR 118 was originally plan to upgrade into freeway from SR 23 in Moorpart to SR 1 in West Ventura. This was never built and not likely to be upgrade. There must be because the envirnment people who try to block the extension. I never hear the impact clearly so I'm not sure whats the problem with making to west portion a freeway. I guess the SR 91 west extension is due to the business so people try to prohibit the upgrade from Artesia Blvd. to a freeway. Some proposals I only know a little bit but I know is not likely to come true.-- Freewayguy ( Webmail ) 01:03, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Freewayguy is lying about the SR 118 freeway extension westbound. --75.47.149.26 (talk) 00:52, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't care about SR 118 and please don't make personal attacks. --Holderca1talk 01:08, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Citations in the lead of an article
I've opened a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads —  master son T - C 23:04, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Concurrency color coding and Termini in Junction Lists
I've opened a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Roads  —  master son T - C 23:55, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter - Issue 3

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TOLL ROAD 183 A
Image:183A toll road.png This is the best that I could do. At least it is better than what was there.  Carpet master 101  22:20, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The blue looks a little bright, perhaps it could be a little darker? --Holderca1talk 12:42, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

New Mexico
I hadn't found any specs for the interstate-state-name shields in library, you found any, i wondering why you upload those shields if we cant find the specs, and on Image:I-10 (NM).svg you didn't cite the spec found.-- Freewayguy ( Webmail ) 19:59, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Huh? --Holderca1talk 20:02, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

What about Kansas Kansas have no specs either. I don't know how to use sig in my setting if I try just be bunch of incomplete codes like##$$$$-- Freewayguy ( Webmail ) 19:44, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know, I have never made a Kansas shield. --Holderca1talk 19:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Chickasaw Turnpike ACR
I believe I have fixed most of your concerns on the Chickasaw Turnpike ACR. Please feel free to re-inspect the article and check that the fixes have been done to your approval, and raise any additional issues you may have found. Thank you. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 18:09, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Westheimer Road
Please check out the talk page - One of the things about Westheimer is that it began in the area that is NOT a part of the Farm-to-Market Road. The neighborhoods around that stretch of Westheimer are well-known and prestigious (River Oaks, Montrose) - BTW I split Westheimer into a new article, but Wistex was the guy who was adding those other intersections to the FM article. WhisperToMe (talk) 13:40, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Kansas Turnpike
Probably every route should have a national map and a local map. However, it is much more common to have local maps as the main image. I know you are involved in the discussions at the task force page, but I think this is an oddity to have one article choose the national map for the main image.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:59, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter, Issue 4

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Q: About FAC for I-15 in AZ.
Holderca1, Interstate 70 in Colorado in the Glenwood Canyon has since usurped the claim of most expensive rural freeway per mile. The wikipedia article has a source for it. Should the I-15 in AZ article mention this? I don't know the answer, and that's why I'm asking the question privately verses on the GAC. But if the request is more information, this is another tidbit you could add. Good Luck, as both a fan of this road, and one of the contributors to this article, I'm rooting for you. Dave (talk) 20:46, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info, I had to double check how the I-15 article was worded to make sure it said at the time it was the most expensive. I'll keep this info on the back burner as I didn't see that it specifically says that it is the current record holder nor does it say whether there was a more expensive highway built between the two.  Nice site though, I wish all the states provided info like that.  I am tempted to go work on Colorado Interstates.  --Holderca1talk 21:00, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

ROW map
Thanks for that source! From that source, I have found several other useful pieces of information for the M-28, M-94 and M-35 articles already. Imzadi1979 (talk) 23:03, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, no problem. Always a hidden gem or two on those DOT websites. --Holderca1talk 23:08, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * M-35's sources have all be re-cited except two instances of the main M-35 article at Michigan highways. Polaron found a source for the southern extension to Menominee, leaving the concurrency with US 41(/M-28) to redocument. I have three old maps here (1958, 1967 and 1972) that show it was present in 58 and 67, but not in 72. That doesn't match the 1953-1968 range that the site gives though. I have a request in at the History & Arts Library in Lansing that might get me better maps in terms of dates. Any suggestions are appreciated if you know of another source to document that, otherwise M-35 is redocumented. Imzadi1979 (talk) 20:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, your best bet is to say it changed by such and such year rather than in a specific year. That is what I usually do when I have gaps in year-to-year maps.  I don't see anything wrong with it.  I think M-35 is a much better article now and has a much better chance at FAC then it did with the Michigan Highways site.  They are pretty thorough on checking all your references and I guarantee that they would have caught it.  If I come across any sources that will be of help, I will certainly pass them along.  --Holderca1talk 20:51, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

American roads
Is it impossible to create an article such this 4 a road? This is a FAC ! -- Mojska  666  – Leave your message here 11:38, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * So you are going to honestly compare a 128-mile highway that has had multiple realignments over its 89-year history to a 17 mile highway that hasn't had any realignments over an 18-year history? Apples and oranges, my friend, apples and oranges.  --Holderca1talk 17:46, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Congrats!

 * Thanks, always a relief to get that first FA under your belt. --Holderca1talk 16:38, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

USRD participants list
As discussed at WT:USRD, the participants list at WP:USRD is being split by state. Due to any of the following factors- your extended participation in WT:USRD discussions, your IRC participation, or your extended participation in Shields or Maps, I have guessed that you are a nationwide editor and have designated you as such in the USRD partiicpants table. This is part of the lengthy process. If this is in error, please let me know immediately. This is especially likely with this group as I have to guess whether you are a national or a state editor. Regards, Rschen7754 (T C) 22:00, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

All alpologies
I didn't realize about your WP. Next time I'll try to change only the ones that I know about. ONEder Boy (talk) 21:01, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

interstate signs
Actually I thought when the sign is post doesn't mean when is made right? Even some interstate shields dont post when sign is post, not even on back of shield. Oklahoma uses state-name shields in state document; but ODOT doesn't comply. Anything doesnt comply is error like black US backgrounds. You ever been to California before? Because some I-5 makes contraction errors like one in Downtown Burbank lacking state name. and Orange County Route S18/i-5 interchange. California DOT also specifies state-name on state document. Oklahoma defies most especially forgetting to captalize.-- Free way guy T C 19:44, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Road maps
I uploaded a sampling of new vector maps with some of the suggestions you made in mind. If you would take a moment to view them and comment I would appreciate it. They are for ,, and. Ark</b><b style="color:#6060BF;">yan</b> 22:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Baseball Newsletter
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USRD Newsletter, Issue 5
Apologies for the late delivery; here is the June edition of the newsletter.


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Meetup
Meetup/Tampa -- You're invited! Hires an editor (talk) 15:00, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter, Issue 6 (FINAL ISSUE)

 * —Rschen7754bot (talk) 03:35, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

October Baseball WikiProject Newsletter
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Imperial Triple Crown jewels
Thank you for contributions to the project, Great work, especially on Interstate 15 in Arizona - well-cited piece and useful info as well. May you wear the crowns well. Cirt (talk) 00:54, 11 December 2008 (UTC)